Avernum 4?
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E Equals MC What!!!!
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written Monday, August 29 2005 22:12
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Areni is better than NK0:P in every way. The reason some (one, to be exact) of the judges disagreed was she found Areni to be too difficult. This is a person who has said that she hardly plays BoE. Well, I suppose you could argue that NK0:P is a better BoE scenario for people who can't play BoE. I might concede that. Anyway, if you want every post and statement to be choked with disclaimers, here's the rewording you asked for: I find it suprising that so many people (speaking in terms of percentage rather than absolute numbers) have expressed a disliking of the Geneforge interface, as it appears to me to be the best-designed interface of any game designed by Spiderweb Software Incorporated (despite the fact that I personally prefer the Exile interface), and I would have expected it to be the most popular as a result. While I realise that these two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive, it does seem likely from the available data that my presuppositions were incorrect, thus my suprise. Happy now? -------------------- Sex is easier than love. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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written Monday, August 29 2005 23:29
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See how the new formulation implies that you're open to re-evaluating your preconceptions in a way that the original formulation didn't? (The fact that you personally prefer the Exile interface to the Geneforge interface despite thinking the Geneforge interface is objectively better is interesting new information as well, actually.) -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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By Committee
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written Tuesday, August 30 2005 03:37
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Ash, all you have to do is through in the occasional qualifier: "I think" or "I believe." Posts: 2242 | Registered: Saturday, April 10 2004 07:00 |
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Skip to My Lou
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written Tuesday, August 30 2005 07:53
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Back to the topic of A4: Drakefyre or *i, for the love of all that is holy please tell me that in A4 "Unlock Doors" actually unlocks doors. -------------------- Take the Personality Test! INTJ 100% 75% 100% 44% Huzzah for the Masterminds! www.Keirsey.com for personality information. The Sloganizer! "Swing your Archmage Alex." Deep down, you wish you were a stick figure. Posts: 1629 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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Master
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written Tuesday, August 30 2005 08:57
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quote:Why? Didn't it do that in GF? -------------------- Thralni's almighty Avernum pages: My webpage, containing scenario's and graphics made by me (And maybe someday the homepage of the almighty chicken gods). Click here for more information on Olga's fortune teller kiosk Olga's fortune teller kiosk has been temporarily closed down, but you can contact the prophet with a PM - Was signed by the prophet of the almighty chicken gods, gods of everything that is a chicken. Posts: 3029 | Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Tuesday, August 30 2005 09:18
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Doors and other things, yes. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy desperance.net - We're Everywhere ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, August 30 2005 09:43
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If the magic system is "vasty" improved, would there be a good mix of the current Avernum spells and new spells, or just a completely new format of spells? Or is it just the same Avernum spells with new sounds and animations to them? Edit: Extra statement [ Tuesday, August 30, 2005 09:44: Message edited by: Jeros ] -------------------- "Truly, if there is evil in this world, it lies in the heart of mankind." -Edward D. Morrison Posts: 220 | Registered: Monday, July 11 2005 07:00 |
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Skip to My Lou
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written Tuesday, August 30 2005 11:08
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quote:"Normal" doors or just the stupid "magically sealed" crap? -------------------- Take the Personality Test! INTJ 100% 75% 100% 44% Huzzah for the Masterminds! www.Keirsey.com for personality information. The Sloganizer! "Swing your Archmage Alex." Deep down, you wish you were a stick figure. Posts: 1629 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Tuesday, August 30 2005 19:28
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I'm sure Jeff has pulled of something great with A4. Just wait. Like Drakey said screenshots don't tell the whole story. BTW I'm a bit rusty at posting so this is a response to the first page. But it still fits. [ Tuesday, August 30, 2005 19:29: Message edited by: VCH ] -------------------- I stop rubber at 160km/h, five times a week. CANUCKS RESPEK! My Style The Knight Between Posts. Posts: 2395 | Registered: Friday, November 2 2001 08:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 02:28
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quote:Both. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy desperance.net - We're Everywhere ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Skip to My Lou
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 06:27
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:D YAY! :D -------------------- Take the Personality Test! INTJ 100% 75% 100% 44% Huzzah for the Masterminds! www.Keirsey.com for personality information. The Sloganizer! "Swing your Archmage Alex." Deep down, you wish you were a stick figure. Posts: 1629 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 06:32
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Oh, the happy day! -------------------- Somebody PLEASE turn the heat on. Posts: 617 | Registered: Tuesday, April 13 2004 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 10:41
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I would change the interface, so that it won't ressemble too much Geneforge. (Which has an awful interface, that gives an unprofessional look). -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 | Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 12:55
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Hello everyone who cares; I'm back on the boards. At any rate, I wanted to see if a topic variant takes, here... And I do realize that this is all speculation. I was wondering about everyone's thoughts on this revelation that powerful magical creatures (of whatever nature) are actually *in* Avernite cities. This seems to me like it might make for some interesting combat early on, something like the warzone-plot some people predicted (very, very early on) for GF3. Sidenote, which people mentioned before: What do you think they might be? I think the initial synopsis gives a very ominous overtone to everything... Whatever these creatures are, they can't be touched. They just go around killing people? They could be monster plagues, but they could be sentient. I'm holding out for a demon invasion, but who knows? Just trying to get people to comment on the part that I'm really interested in, which is the likely nature of gameplay, and yes, even at this early stage, about part of the story. P.S. Drakefyre curiously vague about the potential of that mysterious race from the Isle of Bigail... Posts: 93 | Registered: Saturday, June 1 2002 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 13:15
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Does this whole Geneforge-engine thing mean that it'll have the same moving-around concept as Geneforge, where you click on a space and walk there? That annoyed me so much when I tried Geneforge out, because you have to change the range of the map yourself instead of the game automatically scrolling as you move like it does in Avernum. -------------------- A C, an E flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi. Ambrin runs up to them and says, "Hey, look! It's the Triad!" Kelner snorts and says "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me." Posts: 242 | Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 13:35
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If it's turn-based, then I don't see how it is feasible to have a point and click way of moving characters. Probably rather like in Avernum: Hold the mouse to move many steps in a certain direction. And unless Jeff is feeling cruel, scrolling the map separately from the characters makes no sense. -------------------- The Encyclopaedia Ermariana <-- Now a Wiki! "Polaris leers down from the black vault, winking hideously like an insane watching eye which strives to convey some strange message, yet recalls nothing save that it once had a message to convey." --- HP Lovecraft. "I single Aran out due to his nasty temperament, and his superior intellect." --- SupaNik Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 14:09
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There is point and click. Keyboard movement may be in the works, maybe not. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy desperance.net - We're Everywhere ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 14:20
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Keyboard movement is a must, or else I'm not even going to bother playing it. Mouse movement was okay for real-time GF, but not turn-based Avernum. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 14:46
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I agree with Kel. It's amazing you even considered removing keyboard/numpad movement. I mean ffs, it works on hexes, in a 3x3 alignment, if that doesnt scream "numpad" what does? Please, for the love of god, keyboard movement -------------------- A Sucaran Child is standing here. You say, "hello" The small child looks at Preserver Aldous wide-eyed and awed. Posts: 269 | Registered: Friday, July 19 2002 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 15:28
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Gah! Mouse-click-moving! >< What are the advantages of mouseclicking over keypad-moving or one-space-at-a-time/more-if-you-hold-down-the-mouse-moving, anyway? -------------------- A C, an E flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi. Ambrin runs up to them and says, "Hey, look! It's the Triad!" Kelner snorts and says "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me." Posts: 242 | Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 15:31
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You can move really quickly over large amounts of terrain, which will be a must with this new engine. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy desperance.net - We're Everywhere ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 15:54
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Like in E3 from memory, where you could hold the mouse down, and you would move (rather quickly) in whichever direction the mouse faced? Good, but compared to using the keyboard, bad. -------------------- A Sucaran Child is standing here. You say, "hello" The small child looks at Preserver Aldous wide-eyed and awed. Posts: 269 | Registered: Friday, July 19 2002 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 18:37
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I must insist that keyboard movement be retained. *this message underwritten with threats and bluster* Posts: 4114 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 18:49
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I hate these demand sessions, but I have to agree that movement by mouse isn't my favorite and Geneforge movement in particular seemed inelegant. On the other hand, I'll keep an open mind. Baldur's Gate, Fallout, and Neverwinter Nights all survive just fine with mouse movement. So do RTS games. Maybe A4 will follow suit. —Alorael, who would still rather have mouse movement if at all possible. It just isn't Avernum without it. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, August 31 2005 18:50
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I rather prefer mouse movement but both systems should be provided for. -------------------- I stop rubber at 160km/h, five times a week. CANUCKS RESPEK! My Style The Knight Between Posts. Posts: 2395 | Registered: Friday, November 2 2001 08:00 |