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Critiquing action movies on the basis of their artistic merit is like criticizing the quality of a Taco Bell burrito - it's shooting fish in a barrel. Nevertheless, both have a purpose, and both can be very, very good for what they are.

[ Sunday, May 11, 2008 17:35: Message edited by: Drew ]
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While I agree that the scene you've mentioned does vary somewhat from the story's progression in the book, I can see how it was also necessary for purposes of establishing dramatic tension for that part of the storyline. Aside from the encounter with Shelab (which is actually from the end of the second book), there really isn't a whole lot going on with the Frodo-Sam storyline that makes for excellent film. PJ would have had to come up with something from whole cloth at some point, otherwise.

Also, that one moment of discord set up Sam's resolute return and subsequent affirmation of their relationship just a few scenes later. You could also look at that breakdown as a foreshadow of the encounter at the Crack of Doom, when the ring finally overwhelms Frodo.

In summary: I think it works. I also think the movies flesh out those relationships in their 7-8 hours of total running time in ways that Tolkein never managed in his text, which could be quite wooden in places, but your mileage may vary.
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Oh, oh, the spam accounts. It's like their last great hurrah before the end.
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SPAM's appeal is poor
but it's better than you'd think.
A much maligned meat.
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I suspect you may just have a tin ear.
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We're just interpreting and reacting to your words, man. It seems that you're oppressed by sound.

[ Sunday, May 04, 2008 19:31: Message edited by: Drew ]
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To be sure, there is an added challenge to presenting materials in one medium that are already long-loved in another. I *love* Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey-Maturin series, and although "Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World" was a great film, to me it could never do the 20-book series justice (although I would note that the music chosen for the film, taken pretty much directly from references in the books, is fantastic).
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Hooray for Godwin's law! I'm so happy that someone came up with this so that we can cite it and head this talk off at the pass.

And now, to bring the topic back around:

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[ Saturday, May 03, 2008 17:17: Message edited by: Drew ]
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Originally written by Clavicle:

By artistic necessity: the audience members should be the conductors and interpreters of the film; the film should not be conducting and describing the audience.
Well why stop with the music then? Why not just have the script appear on the screen by itself? After all, we don't want the actors interpreting the material too obviously for you as an audience member. Also, make sure that the words aren't any strange colors or anything - that might convey emotion that takes away from your opportunity to interpret the text, to "have it your way," as the old Burger King commercial goes. Oh, also, make sure not to have the text scroll too quickly - wouldn't want to create a sense of urgency in the readers - that might be too heavy-handed as well. :rolleyes:

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You are perfectly entitled to disagree with a director's vision, let alone decisions on scoring. I'm not a big Howard Shore fan myself, but I thought that the score definitely didn't take away from the film. All you have to say though is "I didn't particularly care for the score."

Would you say the same thing though about orchestral scores for other films? How about John Williams, or Danny Elfman's work? I can't imagine you would object strongly to the anthem for "Batman," for example. But then, maybe you will.
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Personal relationships in RPGs are almost always so clunkily handled - especially when it comes to the PCs - that it's probably better that they are left out anyway.
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What have you been reading recently? in General
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Worst high school read for me was Wuthering Heights in 10th grade, without doubt.

[ Thursday, May 01, 2008 03:58: Message edited by: Drew ]
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From what I understand from reading interviews, the intent of Del Toro and PJ is to use the same design elements and make certain that there is a continuity there (Alan Lee and John Howe will both likely be involved again), but to give these elements more of a "golden" or child-like/younger sort of luster.

I think the Hobbit will be great! So many elements of that story were episodic so that while they may not all make it into the film, many of them will. Certainly the trolls, the encounter with Gollum, and Smaug, to be sure. Whether Beorn, the Wood Elves, or too much of Dale will make it in remains to be seen.
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Very excited about this development. I had hoped against hope that they would make this movie and that Peter Jackson and WETA Workshop would be involved. That Del Toro is taking the helm is fantastic - it will give Peter Jackson a greater opportunity to work in design and development of the story, and Del Toro is a director after his own heart.

I was astonished though, to see how much weight PJ has lost in the intervening years. Good for him, though!
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Les Miserables, though my favorite book ever, seems a strange choice for an AP English class. What's next? The Brothers K?
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Independents actually tend to be quite moderate here.
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quote:
Originally written by upon mars:

ALL three sides payed by imaginary american money.
Great....We could have stooped the war before it happened.
Millions killed for money, profits and mass hysteria.

I think we were still using the gold standard at that point, so the money wasn't "imaginary," so to speak.
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While We Wait for the Next Chapter in General
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I prefer unidentified jerky.
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Or malnutrition and poor nutrition.
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Well, I don't think one person is supposed to finish the can all by himself. The can doesn't lend itself very well to being resealed though. Probably the best thing to do would have been to fry/prepare the rest of it and save it in the fridge.

Are cows so helpless? Given that most of their natural predators have been eliminated, I would imagine unfenced cows would do okay for themselves. Wasn't it the case that years before settlers in Australia made it over/through the Blue Mountains, some of their stray livestock had made it through?
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quote:
Originally written by Nioca:

So, on a recent trip to the grocery store, I noticed that the store is now stocking SPAM.
I'm willing to bet they've been stocking it on their shelves longer than you've been extant.
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I can't imagine that batter-dipped salmon sticks would be the best. Because the flavor of salmon by itself is so tasty, I don't think that it would be enhanced by the batter or the frying, whereas a less flavorful fish would stand to benefit.
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quote:
Originally written by Nemesis.:

Drew: I was gonna respond, but I don't think another pointless heated debate would be a good thing here. Suffice it to say, I meant no offense to anyone.
Sorry to respond in such a way. I definitely understand how upsetting violent crime is, and that the motivation for revenge can drive people. But I think also we all need to step back and realize:

(a) the system isn't perfect, sometimes with the very worst consequences when it gets the facts wrong and the death penalty is involved;
(b) society should be looking for the most utilitarian approach to these problems. The death penalty is not a good deterrent to other murders (either they don't think they'll get caught, or they don't care), and the economic cost of administering the death penalty typically is greater than that of life without parole, though the later has much the same effect for society (murderers off the street) without the potential for an irreversible mistake as outlined in point (a); and
(c) perhaps most controversially, in my opinion our society should be better than dropping to the level of what criminals do to their victims when we punish them. Philosophically speaking, the only person who should have "revenge" against a murderer is the victim, and that can't happen; none of the rest of us are so entitled, because the crime wasn't carried out against us, no matter how close we may have been to the victim. I don't think that making someone suffer before his sentence is carried out in order to slake the rage of a family member or loved one makes our society any better.
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w00t!

[ Tuesday, April 15, 2008 02:35: Message edited by: Drew ]
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quote:
Originally written by Nemesis.:

I do find it ironic how poorly innocent animals are treated, especially when compared with, say, the lifestyles (and "deathstyles") of people on death row. You'd think that we could come up with a more humane way of dealing with meat slaughter, if the undeserving wretches in prison get it so good. (Mind you, I'm a supporter of capital punishment, and I think it's entirely too humane, and much better than some criminals deserve.)
Ironic that people are treated better than animals? It mostly has to do with the Eighth Amendment's Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause. People have rights; animals are chattel. I don't approve of how they're treated in the process of becoming food, but there's a big distinction there.

Good thing we are always 100% sure about the guilt of people we put on death row, huh? :rolleyes: You know, if the US is too soft on criminals for you, I understand Iraq, Pakistan, and China are nice this time of year...

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Future Series - What Would You Like? in General
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