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Geneforge 5 - March Update in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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So... Jeff, mate. I know you're planning on working on Something New™ after you finish Avernum 6, but you're eventually going to revamp the old Geneforge games, right? Like you did with the old Exile games? Just need a little reassurance, I just went rifling through G2 again and the interface seemed so... bulky after the more refined Geneforge IV.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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Previous Geneforge endings in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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I think Synergy has the full Trakovite ending for Geneforge IV at the end of the Insidious Infiltrator thread. You can find a link to that in the Useful Links repository, in the forum header.

However, there are some you don't need to see pictures for. For example, the Obeyer/Nonaligned ending for G1 gives G2, the Loyalist/Nonaligned ending for G2 gives G3, and the Rebel ending for G3 gives G4.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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What is better Shapers or Rebels? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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quote:
Originally written by Nioca:

Till the arrival of Lepus Timidus, it was a debate. They happen occasionally, sometimes get heated, but are generally nothing to worry about (unless you're a participant). Heck, you might even learn something.

With the arrival of Lepus Timidus, though, this one turned into a troll fest.

FYT.

Brock Petersdorf-Nelson: Karma is simply a rating system between members. You rate the other person a one through five, and then the average is your karma rating, denotated by the number of stars under your name.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
"All (Spiderweb) servers should be taken down, erased, and then subjected to dissolution by alkahest." -Alorael
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The Ultimate Faction Survey Poll in Geneforge Series
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quote:
Nioca:
Yeah. When the Unbound are unleashed. Thing is, the Unbound wouldn't exist without the Drakons, and without the Unbound, the Human rebel army would still have been trapped. It was made very clear that the Rebellion in the south was about to end in a particularly bloody way.

Thing is, the Rebellion wouldn't exist without the Drakons, the Drakons wouldn't exist without Barzahl, Barzahl wouldn't go crazy without Sucia, Sucia wouldn't be a problem without the Geneforge, and the Geneforge wouldn't have existed if it weren't for Shaping. Now, you were saying?

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Nioca:So, in short, the Humans, Serviles, and Drayks continued taking losses while the Drakons sat back, pouted, and let people die for them. Perhaps I wouldn't think so little of them if they actually fought to the bitter end. Instead, they retire to their citadel, throw away the other part of the resistance, and emulate the Shapers.
No. In short, with the Shaper Army fighting the Unbound, the Rebel Army would be free to establish a Free Land in Illya, the Forsaken Lands, the Fens of Aziraph, and the Valley of Drypeak.

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Nioca:Ha! Even if such a coup was attempted before the Drakons became established, I doubt it'd be any easier than overthrowing the Shapers. Unlike the Shapers, the Drakons have a physical advantage and very little self-control. If anything, it'd be harder to do, simply because the oppressors are that much tougher to kill, and possess even more firepower than their predecessors.
Unlike the Shapers, the Drakons aren't more or less equally spread out. They're concentrated in several fortresses. And the Drakons have managed to get several powerful groups angry at them: the Gazers/Eyebeasts, the Drayks, the Lifecrafters, the Rebel Army, and the Shapers. I'm sure the Shapers wouldn't mind helping in the destruction of their greatest foe, after all*. The Gazers/Eyebeasts wouldn't mind a plot of land to call their own, and the Rebels wouldn't mind getting rid of them.

Here's how I see it happening:

Drakons just made the next batch of Unbound. Northforge is practically abandoned, and the Cryodrayks and Serviles take this time to seize the fortress, and the Geneforge. Khima-Uss falls easily. Poison the food going into Quessa-Uss, and any other major Drakon fortresses. Then, while the major Drakon leaders are out taking the Unbound west, catch them while they're still exhausted. Bloody? Definitely. Successful? Almost certainly. Any remaining pockets of resistance can be handled.

I remember the days when the worst Rebel tactic was irresponsible Spawner plantment. Why they stopped using them for all but fortresses, I'll never know. Unless G5 tells us.

*This is actually what I think G5'll be like. Western Terrestia, Shaper infiltrators, rebellion against Drakons, Drakons, and whatever the other two factions'll be.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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The Ultimate Faction Survey Poll in Geneforge Series
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quote:
Originally written by Nioca:

Goldenking: While I respect and agree with your ideas on the difference between the Human and Drakon sides of the Rebellion, it's effectively moot; the Human side has been all but wiped out, and the Drakon side is pretty much all that's left of the Rebellion. Without the Drakons, there's no Rebellion. Which is sad, since they decided to leave the rest of the Rebellion out to rot.
Nuh-uh!

According to the Endgame text, the Rebel army moves to retake Illya when the Unbound are released without a hitch. The Rebel Army is Human, Servile, and a few Drayks, and even the game says the Drakons had withdrawn as they were, "Maddened by their losses..." I see no reason why the Rebel Line of Demarcation wouldn't hold true still.

Besides, even if the Drakons did take over completely, they'd be easy to overthrow.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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The Ultimate Faction Survey Poll in Geneforge Series
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quote:
Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

Once again, the numbers show the inherent cowardice of Spiderweb members. There is always a large number of people who support the Awakened, yet, when the Awakened are taken out of the equation, many turn to the Shapers. This shows that most people support creation rights, but when it comes down to actually fighting for what you believe in, they are afraid to go the extra mile, and instead choose to flee back to the conservative side rather than take a chance with the Rebellion.

Me? I choose neither. I choose myself. I choose the Barzites (or Tullegolites). I can't wait for a faction like theirs to return in Geneforge 5. It is the birthright of humanity to use shaping to its full extent. Restrictions are foolish, especially in this time of total war. I will not bow before creations either. I would sooner turn to the Shapers before serving soulless drakon scum.

And which sides did you choose, grasshopper?

I'm proud to say that I'm consistent with my messages. Awakened fail, which seemed inevitable looking back, then turn to the next best thing ideologically, the Rebels. People are really so quick to go to the bad when viewing the Rebels, painting them with the same broadbrush as the Drakons.

For example, in Southforge Citadel, there is a creation care center where a wounded fyora, Torchlight the Wounded Fyora, and Greenfand are at. The keeper there even says that Torchlight is too weak to go on assaults. A similar scene is seen in the Illya Safehouse, where it says that "lifecrafters generally go to greater means than Shapers to heal there creations..."

And do the Shapers do these things? No. Do the Rebels torture their captives like the Shapers do? No, as evidenced by Miranda, who's only greivance was thirst. Do the Rebels brainwash their Serviles? No, unlike the Shapers. Do the Rebels publically display their defeated or misbehaving off on wooden poles and shackles? No, unlike the Shapers.

I've been keeping track of what people are saying about their reasons for supporting the Shapers/Rebellion are. From what I can see, the common loyalist citizen is brainwashed into supporting the Shapers in their crusade against rogues and terrorists, and just like the sheer stability of the Shapers. On the other side, the Rebels commonly see have simple to severe grievances with the Shapers, be it the treatment of the Creations, a famine they didn't cure, not helping their poor towns, etc.

Before any of you try pulling up the Unbound, realize this: the Rebels were desperate, with, as General Crowley put it in the Forsaken Camp, "Oh yes! The constant losses, of men, of territory, of supplies. Truly the hallmarks of success." And yet, hypocrisy abounds. When the Unbound are released, the Shapers reply in kind with their own monstrosities, on par with the Drakon's creations. And when the Shapers win, as most of you would have them do, the creations are condemned to much worse conditions, and everyone else gets the failure of Terrestia driven into their mind, putting a futility into any planned uprising.

I think I was going somewhere when I started this. But anyways, I support the Rebels over the Shapers, even though I take the Trakovite ending optimally.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
"All (Spiderweb) servers should be taken down, erased, and then subjected to dissolution by alkahest." -Alorael
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G5 wishlist. in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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quote:
Originally written by Safey:

quote:
Originally written by Xel'Raga:

With geneforge texts, you don't want to hear Norse-Heavy metal while you read how you will attack a shaper, and on a second point, it just doesn't seem his style.
Could it fade out of turn off when text comes up?

Not easily. And besides, where'd he get the music? If it's good enough to merit including, it would cost money. How 'bout you just listen to your own music while playing, okay lad?

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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Second Poll on The Best Creation in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Of course, this is all going to be put out of date when Jeff makes even more creations in Geneforge V. And it's already pretty invalid because the first one only had PC-Shapable creations.

Anyways, Drayks win for being the forefathers of the Drakons, the only hope for a successful Rebellion, as well as being the leaders of the Counter-Rebellion, strong enough to fight the foul Drakons back into submission.

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The Ultimate Faction Survey Poll in Geneforge Series
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The Takers aren't the Rebels. The Rebels are successors of the Takers and Awakened. Neither are the Obeyers equating to Shapers. You see, the Obeyers actually reformed the Shaper idea to something more palpable, intelligent serviles supporting the Shapers out of choice. Sure, it's still sickening, but it's an improvement.

At the beginning, G1 and G2, I was a staunch supporter of the Awakened. Unfortunately, both sides proved this to be mere idealism at the time, not unlike Trakovism during G4. Going into G3, I supported those that actually had a shot at liberating the Serviles, being the Rebels. Then, in our final installment so far, I fancy myself a Trako-Rebel. I still fight to try and liberate the Serviles and Humans, but I took a Trakovite ending first. Weaken both oppressors of the Proletariat, one by smashing the Shaper's resistance and the other by putting their greatest weapon at the mercy of the Servile Mechanics. Plus, being staunch Rebel up to that point, I even get to live.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
"All (Spiderweb) servers should be taken down, erased, and then subjected to dissolution by alkahest." -Alorael
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The Avernum RP, OoC Thread in General
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quote:
Originally written by Diprosopus:

Is this RP just taking place in Avernum and Valoriam? Also, are there any current descriptions of the factions? Will I be taking over these Hunting people, or will I have to hack together a group of my own?
Yes, yes, and the latter. Although you probably shouldn't even try, this thing is a walking corpse.

On that note, I love who this is still dying despite the so-called "revival" of the renewed RP.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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A Fun Little Project of Mine in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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quote:
Originally written by Xel'Raga:

Well, heres a game that is really funny and really sick, just a little freshener of the topic. (And there are tons of Puns in this)
This a family-friendly forum, you twit.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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Best creation. in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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quote:
Originally written by The Ratt:

I took that pun two ways.

1. Artila-ry: Sounds like hillary and is just a pun.

2. Artila-ry: pronouced artillery, it is a joke about her style of leadership or something like that.

Which one is right?

Add this to number one and you'll be set:

"1. Contains the Geneforge creation Artila, and sounds like Hillary."

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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Is it old? in General
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quote:
Originally written by Excalibur:

We were in fact discussing Magical Mystery Tour, which would suggest his wording as a typo. Neither is "magical history tour" a well known fact as it holds neither an article on Wikipedia, or any Beatles-related links excluding some various things in Liverpool.
And there you have it fellows. Proof! Both comedy and sarcasm are dead!

EDIT: In a place where "Leave your sanity at the door." is the unofficial credo. And you're basing your facts on Wikipedia?

[ Wednesday, March 05, 2008 18:49: Message edited by: Kinggolden ]

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
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Is it old? in General
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quote:
Originally written by Excalibur:

You said "history" instead of "mystery." :)
For once, you're wrong.

It is a well known fact that the Beatles, nearing the break-up, were planning on undertaking a massive charity project, the Magical History Tour. They were going to use the profits from the White Album and on to support the project, which would be massive with all of this cash.

Of course, the charity project consisted of teaching kids about history with hallucenogenics to stimulate the mind and bring forth the actual historic scenes to help educate the children. Optimistic reports had it going from the Fertile Crescent all the way to the present, while pessimists had it starting in the six hundred BC's. John Lennon said this on the subject in an interview after the splitup:

"It was going to be amazing. Every child would see The Truth, and be free from The Man's oppression. All the wars would stop, famine and drought will be forgotten, and everyone would delve into Inner Space. But then the breakup came. There was some discussion of continuing the project with all our own individual bands and albums, but Starr wouldn't have anything to do with it, and Harrison and McCartney wanted to keep too much money. It brings a tear to my eye."

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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Geneforge 5 - March Update in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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So, from what I can gather, you can play as a Shaper or Rebel from the start, then convert? And five different factions? Of course, there are multiple endings for each... the sheer replaying possibilities brings a tear to my eye.

Now, disregard this section, Jeff. I'm going to go on a whim and say the five factions are Awakened, (the Human Rebellion) Shapers, Takers, (Hardcore Rebels, Drakons) Trakovites, and maybe a loose conglomeration of Barzite/Tullegolite* like characters. (A faction of Monarchs!)

*Actually naming them the Tullegolites would be very interesting...

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
"All (Spiderweb) servers should be taken down, erased, and then subjected to dissolution by alkahest." -Alorael
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A Fun Little Project of Mine in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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I suggest that, when completed, you should give this game to JV. Depending on the quality, it could either be a fun little arcade game for an intro to Geneforge tactics, or SubTerra for Spidweb. Good luck anyways.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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The Avernum RP, OoC Thread in General
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quote:
Originally written by Nioca:

quote:
Originally written by Kinggolden:

...Nioca keeps coming up with crazy ideas, Nalyd's doing nothing...
What does Nayld have to do with anything? He never even joined the RP.

Also, how are my ideas nearly as crazy as you aligning with a dragon, deciding to destroy the Phoenix Empire for no IC reason whatsoever, or trying to get necromancy?

I meant Excalibur. It was late.

A dragon that did nothing, an empire that was encroaching on my rightful territory, and not having necromancy, you mean? As opposed to crystal shards lying around in the Troglo Castle for years, the invisibility thing, (I'm still uneasy with that) and getting this super potion/grenade out of nowhere?

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
"All (Spiderweb) servers should be taken down, erased, and then subjected to dissolution by alkahest." -Alorael
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The Avernum RP, OoC Thread in General
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ET: I won that bit of Silvar too by flanking him.

And I left because of the people. Ephesos's idea was outrageous, especially given his position in nowhere, Avernum is yours, Nioca keeps coming up with crazy ideas, Nalyd's doing nothing, Dint is inactive, and now Disp wants in.

The whole scene is just asking to be killed. No offense. I departed before the fecal matter collided with the airway ventilation unit.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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What is better Shapers or Rebels? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Timid Wolf over here's "arguement" fails. Let's see why.

Scenario One:

Deep in the Other Continent, an enterprising Shaper University is running a bakery with specially Shaped bread that doesn't go bad. Of course, the Shapers don't do the actually work in the blazing bakery, that's for the Serviles. From the Other Continent, a caravan brings the magical bread to Terrestia. Here, they are sold first to the Army, then to the civilians. One of the loyalist soldiers with this bread makes it to Aziraph Camp Gamma, and dies scouting around the Rebel Camp. His killer, a Rebel, victoriously takes it, as it is necessary to feed the soldiers. Therefore, the soldiers are being fed, in part, by the toiled slavings of enslaved Serviles in the Shaper Empire, and are passively supporting it.

Scenario Two:

The Unbound are released. Terror spreads across Western Terrestia as the Western Morass and the fortresses beyond fall. Mad Drakons kill everyone. The Shapers have to fight to push down minor insurrections and panicked rebellions. Eventually, these are wiped out either by the Unbound. Indiscriminately, the Drakons have killed brethren.

The second one is game canon. The first one is never explicitely stated, but fits easily.

EDIT:

quote:
False. It is not genocide to target those who are actively or passively enslaving and destroying your people. The fact that they happen to be part of a nation or political group is incidental (nice try, Diki).
Yes it is.

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For example, were the Allies committing genocide when they killed the Germans and Japanese, and targeted the Nazis for imprisonment and execution post WWII? Are the Americans committing genocide when they attempt to undermine and destroy radical Islamic political groups, such as Hamas? Were the British committing genocide when they attempted to wipe out the IRA?
Allies: Did the Allies ruthlessly kill every German they got their hands on? Didn't think so. The Allies didn't even kill all of the Nazis, as they tolerated in the name of political freedom things like Neo-Nazis, and the old Nazis were allowed to surrender. Some were just horrid war criminals that needed to be killed.

*A Note: The connection between the Nazis and the Shapers is slight. Stop bringing it up. And I don't care about your supposed Slavic ancestors. You just keep dredging them and the Nazis up to appeal to emotion*

Americans: Are we killing every Islamic political group or Muslim? Didn't think so.

British: Is every Irishman a member of the IRA then?

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The fact of the matter is that if your 'political enemy' holds as one of their core beliefs that you don't have the right to exist, and actively tries to establish that wet dream, then they are all fair game. Added to which, bludgeoning an imperialistic and highly aggressive nation into submission is not genocide.
Somewhat. No one's arguing that the Drayks and Drakons shouldn't fight back, and that the Shapers have the right to simply kill them all. Just because they do it doesn't mean it's right to do it.

And "highly aggressive"? I don't think so. If anything, the Rebels are being highly aggressive. They didn't have to go beyond the Ashen Isles, they didn't have to bring the horrors of this Great War to the far flung corners of Terrestia. But they did. Now the Shapers are just taking back their territory, where the civilians (Rocky Point, Dillame, Electrified Fields refugees) are glad for a return to normality.

[ Tuesday, March 04, 2008 17:37: Message edited by: Kinggolden ]

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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Quick Question in General
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quote:
Originally written by Xel'Raga:

Arctic?
The Arctic Wolf. Invisible. Eats n00bs by the horde.

ET, we like our elitist lore, thank you very much.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
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The Avernum RP, OoC Thread in General
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quote:
Originally written by Diprosopus:

Oh, boy! "The Hunters," it sounds neat. So, what comes now?
I would sooner rejoin the RP then let Dispro have the Hunters. They're my brain child, and I'd only let someone who knows what they're doing have them.

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"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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Most powerful camp in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Southforge: I counted three people by the time you attack, all civvies. Easiest of the lot.
Forsaken Shaper Camp: Ugh. To many initial defenders, and the powerful spawns. Clearly Jeff didn't want us messing around in here, which is reflected by the lack of quests requiring going full on into the camp, as well as the lack of any good gear. Hardest.
Therile Colony: Surprisingly difficult. Most everyone in the colony are civvies, but there are three to four elite guards here that were very annoying. How such a dirt-poor colony could afford them, I'll never know.
Eastern Checkpoint: Drunken Shapers don't fight that well. ;)
Illya Safehouse: This is probably one of the most realistic so far, with a modest but still easily crushable defense. As a loyalist, I usually clear this out during or after Chapter Three.
Dillame: Definitely something to attempt in the later part of the game. A bunch of elite guards swarm upon initial attack, but mental magic is usually enough to scatter and destroy them. Ambush the creations fast, and pick off the seaside Reapers one by one. Perhaps start in a more secluded area, like the inn, where you have a bottle neck.
Rivergate: After the ordeals in Dillame, this is cake. Not a whole lot of movement on the map, or even swarming, so I could pick these guys off at my hearts content. Of course, where my Infiltrators burn this place to the ground with only a Drakon as aid, a Rebel army would probably sustain a lot of casualties here.
Turabi Gates: As this impenetrable stronghold was designed to be actually penetrable, I didn't have too much trouble here. Pick off the patrols before they can raise the alarm, then swarm. Mental magic doesn't work well enough here, so usually I just make some charged Wingbolts to escort me. Mages irritate me more than Shapers, so they usually go first, followed by the Shapers and foot soldiers respectively.
Western Rise: I always find myself drawn into a big battle here, and the terrain doesn't help me much. Mental magic helps scatter resistance, as does picking off the Reapers quick. Once the initial battle is done, the rest flows along pretty quickly.
Shaper Camp Gamma: The walls at the entrance from the north help a lot in stemming an initial onslaught. A bunch of baton fodder foot soldiers swarm, but they fall inevitably. Crowley, maybe due to illness, falls dead fast, but it's the Trainer to the east of him that I have to focus on more. Other than that, sinchey.
Aziraph Rebel Camp: Do I even have to say it? Kill the Spawners to prevent swarmage, and the rest of the place falls just like the Safehouse.
Derenton Freehold: Break the gates, kill the initial horde of soldiers. Pick off the Drakons at your leisure, and buff yourself up before confronting Litalia. She summons far too many quality creations, so I like to get her down as soon as possible.
Poryphra This is one of the tougher camps. Activate the alarm crystals one at a time, to deal with the garrisons. Then, go to either side of the docks, and activate those crystals to get the tralls out of the way. Then, get close to the docks and pick off the shock tralls and the Incantor. Then, buff yourself up and enter the docks. Tough fight that was.
Western Morass: Another of those easy impenetrable strongholds. I find that by killing the gate guards I get everyone to follow me to my battle place back in the swamps. Far from their spawns, they fall like dominoes here, en masse. Then, swoop in, have my Drakon handle the spawns while the PC cleans up the rest of the camp.
Quessa-Uss: By Chapter Five, there are no Drakons to fight! And in Chapter Four, if you try you get the auto-death. So, perhaps this is the easiest fight, with no guardians?
Quessa-Uss and Grayghost Gates: Just a bunch of Drakons, they die easily enough. Divide and conquer usually works.
Khima-Uss Enrage the Drakon, then mass madness. Kill Drakon quickly, and then trim back the cryodrayks. You'll be set after that.
Gesselin Freehold: Take this place room by room, and you'll be fine. They're just a bunch of Cryodrayks, after all.
Northforge Citadel: I've never actually tried this one without the Shapers at my back. But when you do, divide and conquer. PC fights the Gazer and co. up north with Miranda, and Sss-Thsss the Drakon handles Master Jared down south. PC and Miranda wrap up just in time to kill the last few foes.

EDIT: Forgot the Western Morass

[ Sunday, March 02, 2008 20:03: Message edited by: Kinggolden ]

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
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The Graveyard Thread in General
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G4, Loyalist, Inner Shaping Hall.

Infinite Traitor Foyle has brought down the power, killed many a Drakon, and now fights boldly in the main control room. The room practically starts to melt with the intensity of the spells she's flinging, and Karikiss and the two Drakon Defenders are already down. Miranda and the other Loyalists are fighting the Unbound now, while Foyle duels Akhari Blaze. Sss-Thoss the Drakon is busy helping Alwan chop up Greta. Akhari is about to die, and when I swoop in to cast the final Kill spell, I accidentally click on myself. Akhari and the other defenders had harmed me enough that this killed me.

I never understood why we could target ourselves or our creations.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
"All (Spiderweb) servers should be taken down, erased, and then subjected to dissolution by alkahest." -Alorael
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The Avernum RP, OoC Thread in General
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Good luck. You'll need it.

Now stop spamming this thread up with "We should keep going" posts, and actually keep going!

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
"All (Spiderweb) servers should be taken down, erased, and then subjected to dissolution by alkahest." -Alorael
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It is with sorrow in my heart that I must say, I am bowing out of this RP. Of course, this means I should give you some scenarios.

Short-term: The Hunters will kill/Exile every single Imperial they get their hands on. That should be a sizable number, considering they're fleeing through the mountains. Which I control. They'd have to go through one of my strongholds, Farport, as well as pass through my freaking capital, Sharimik. In large numbers. Espionage/Assinations/the like and magical plagues will befall Sanctuary, culminating in the murder of Meineke in the Castle, or the murder of Sharimik's mayor. Then war.

War: Keep the people in the cities, and burn everything outside the cities. Then pull back and guard Sharimik and Softport. Wait for Dominion reinforcements, then have them attack Angel's Rest while we attack Aminro.

In Case of Invasion: A spiritied defense everywhere possible, scorched earth to try and dissuade enemy. Last stand at Fort Nexus, in the Unicorn Pass, where most of the civvies would flee via portal to north Valorim. From there, it's just influencing governments there, not actually making a new government.

Other than that, you know what I'll do. Expand, purge, teleport non-humans to the Honeycomb, et cetera.

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"I'm happy I'm the mentally disturbed person I am." -Nioca
"Yes, Iffy is a demon." -Iffy
"All (Spiderweb) servers should be taken down, erased, and then subjected to dissolution by alkahest." -Alorael
Posts: 1186 | Registered: Friday, June 18 2004 07:00

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