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Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Thursday, March 15 2007 15:21 Profile Homepage #22 Emp: quote: Waylander, you misunderstand, Then perhaps you should express yourself more clearly? quote: it's not the fact that drakons can't make humans that makes them inferior, it's the fact that no one can make humans. Your assertion that 'no-one' can make humans is an unsupported assumption. For all we know, Drakons can Shape humans, but just don't feel the need to do so. quote: A human is a complex being, And how is a Drakon not complex? Sentience, sapience, an innate ability to Shape, and the ability to rally their fellow creations and fight an organized war against the most powerful known Empire (aka. The Shapers), are all not evidence of a Drakon's complexity? quote: capable of much adaptation, personality, emotion, pursuits, you name it. So is a Drakon. So is a Servile. So is a Battle Alpha. So is a Drayk. 'Adaptation, personality, emotion, pursuits,' and all that other junk have been demonstrated by many species in the Geneforge series. quote: They can never know things like philisophy, art... love. More BS assumptions on your behalf. Just because Drakons aren't demonstrated to have a love for art in the game doesn't mean that they do not. After all, it's never mentioned in the game that Shapers/ordinary humans have a love for art. quote: If I believed in souls, I would say with certainty that drakons have none. That's nice. Too bad it's just another baseless assumption of yours. [quote If humans win this war, they will continue to grow and evolve in a time of peace. [/quote] Another assumption. Opinion, not fact. quote: Can you say the same for the drakons? Well, actually, yes. In fact, one of the key issues in Geneforge is that Drakons can continuously evolve, becoming better and better. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Wednesday, March 14 2007 16:44 Profile Homepage #17 adal: quote: Exactly, we were not created, we evolved,the drakons were made in a lab. Your observation is irrelevant. I'm not getting into a semantical debate about 'evolve' and 'create'. I'd argue that humans were created... via evolution. The fact of the matter is that evolution is the perfect example of the concept that superior (and more complex) beings/constructs can arise from inferior beings/constructs. It's presumptious and logically fallicious to assume that the creator is always superior to his creation, or that a descendent is always inferior to his ancestor. Another fantastic example is AI, which is a product of humanity. Computers are superior to humans in the aspect of calculation power (as Deep Blue proved). I seriously doubt that anyone here would argue that Eass is superior to Ghaldring, despite the fact that Ghaldring was created by Eass... -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Wednesday, March 14 2007 15:35 Profile Homepage #15 Emp: quote: It does. Not because drakons can also create drakons, but because drakons can not create humans. Your logic is flawed and fallacious, something which I have come to expect from you. While Drakons cannot/will not create humans (I fail to see why they would want to, anyway...), neither can the Shapers. Why condemn the Drakons for lacking the ability to 'create' humans, but conveniently ignore the fact that Shapers also cannot Shape humans? Quite simply, you're applying double standards. No doubt you'll fall back on the argument that Drakons were initially created by Shapers, hence the Shapers are superior, as the 'creator' must always be superior to its creation. I find such logic specious, given that humans are a product of evolution from ancestors that we would consider intellectually and physically inferior to modern day homo sapiens. [ Wednesday, March 14, 2007 15:36: Message edited by: Waylander ] -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Tuesday, March 13 2007 19:56 Profile Homepage #6 Emp: quote: When did I say that? You seemed to imply that Shaped humans being able to create Drakons somehow made them superior to Drakons. I just want to point out that Drakons can create even more powerful Drakons, and that they are far better at it than any Shaped Shaper. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Tuesday, March 13 2007 19:04 Profile Homepage #3 Emp, are you saying that Drakons can't create even more powerful Drakons of their own? -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Tuesday, March 13 2007 18:43 Profile Homepage #0 A simple question with a (possibly) complex answer. Do you consider Drakons to be superior to all other creations, humans and Shapers? Why or why not? Poll Information This poll contains 1 question(s). 52 user(s) have voted. You may not view the results of this poll without voting. function launch_voter () { launch_window("http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=poll;d=vote;pollid=hxhyQEWqhzkK"); return true; } // end launch_voter function launch_viewer () { launch_window("http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=poll;d=view;pollid=hxhyQEWqhzkK"); return true; } // end launch_viewer function launch_window (url) { preview = window.open( url, "preview", "width=550,height=300,toolbar=no,location=no,directories=no,status,menubar=no,scrollbars,resizable,copyhistory=no" ); window.preview.focus(); return preview; } // end launch_window -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Canister Poisoning in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Friday, March 9 2007 14:21 Profile Homepage #21 Emp: quote: To answer Acidic's question: the skill to create a drakon can not be learned. In every game that has them, you have to learn it from a canister. What about Geneforge II, where you can learn Create Drakon from the Barzites and Takers? -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
One thing PC users can do that Mac users can't: in General
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Friday, March 9 2007 04:25 Profile Homepage #0 I think that Maddox sums it up quite well: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant [ Friday, March 09, 2007 04:26: Message edited by: Waylander ] -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Exile 2: Crystal Souls - 9.03 (10.0/6.5) in General
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Thursday, March 1 2007 16:14 Profile Homepage #23 Exile II is easily my favourite out of the Exile series. Score = 10/10 -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Round Table on Morality, Theology, and Ethics in General
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Wednesday, February 21 2007 15:43 Profile Homepage #12 Ephesos: quote: I mean, I'm an atheist, but I see a lot of worthwhile ideas in most extant religions. That's funny. I'm an atheist, and I see the exact opposite. Religion is inherently detrimental to both the individual, and the collective. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Avernum 4 - 7.63 (10.0/1.0) in General
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Wednesday, February 21 2007 13:53 Profile Homepage #26 I honestly don't understand how veterans can rate Avernum 4 above a '1/10'. Aren't you sick of the same old thing? Are you really fooled into thinking that merely because the engine has been updated, you're getting something 'sassy'? Jeff is beginning to remind me of Brian Jacques, who wrote the Redwall Series. Every book in the series has the same contrived plot, with similiar stereotypical characters (at least five books centre around an attack on Salamandastron). If you've read one, then you might as well not bother reading the rest of the series, as it's the same old trash. That's how I feel about Avernum 4. By the way, I was fuming over Avernum 4 the other day, and reminscing on how much better the Ultima series was in general. I then noticed the similiarity between the three 'evil' shades in Avernum 4, and the Shadowlords from Ultima 5 "Warriors of Destiny". I wonder if that is just a coincidence. [ Wednesday, February 21, 2007 14:22: Message edited by: Waylander ] -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Avernum 4 - 7.63 (10.0/1.0) in General
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Tuesday, February 20 2007 19:01 Profile Homepage #21 I've said it in other threads, and I'll say it here as well. Avernum 4 was an atrocity. If another gaming company (EA Games) had produced Avernum 4, I would merely label it as trash. However, the fact that it was produced by Jeff Vogel, a game designer who created (from scratch) innovative games such as the original Geneforge and Exile, just makes Avernum 4 a huge disappointment. Geneforge 3 is a gem compared to the steaming pile of dog turd known as Avernum 4. I'd argue that Homeland is preferrable. At least it doesn't attempt to disguise itself as a half-decent game. Upon starting up Homeland and playing for a record 5 minutes, I realized that it was a flop. On the other hand, Avernum 4 has supposed 'updates' to the engine, which apparently make it 'superior'. Too bad that those updates are merely veneer, which fail to cover the fact that Avernum 4 is merely the same old recycled crap from the past three games, but without the atmosphere, innovation or excitement. Off the top of my head, my gripes include: - Piss weak plot. Ooh, Avernum is being attacked, AGAIN. - Predictability. I don't NEED to play until the end to know who the Darkside Loyalists are. Anyone which even the slightest measure of sentience immediately knows that Rentar is the bad girl. - Repetitiveness. I'm sick of having to raid the caves near Metris to clear out undead. I'm sick of brigands in the Abyss. I'm sick of Sliths to the west. - Lack of atmosphere - Boring spell system. The spell system in Avernum was a notch down from Exile, but at least there was motivation to learn spells at level 3. - Boring combat. - Shocking interface and controls. Jeff really needs to consider alternatives to 'point click point click', so that his gamers don't contract RSI and end up unable to play the sequel. Avernum 4 is the only Spiderweb game (apart from Homeland... naturally) which I have not finished, and never will. There is no way in hell I am going to subject myself to such torture. Any game which cannot motivate me into playing it until the end is clearly a failure. That's why I'm giving Avernum 4 the prestigious score of 0/10. I'm a Spiderweb veteran, and I'm pissed off to the extent that many Star Wars fans were pissed off with the Phantom Menace. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Geneforge Political Spectrum in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Tuesday, February 20 2007 16:54 Profile Homepage #51 If the Trakovites had some effective means of fighting the Shapers (eg. Powerful magic?), I might be tempted to side with them. However, I think it's crystal clear that one would be unable to defeat the Shapers without taking advantage of the Shaping craft. So I tend to side with the Rebellion. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
House Unshaperlike Activities Committee in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Saturday, February 3 2007 01:01 Profile Homepage #164 Emp: quote: A Trakovite victory? Sure, that would mean the end of war as we know it in the Geneforge games. But it would result in the equivalent of dark ages earth. That scenario reminds me of the 'Dark Age' ending for Deus Ex. To be honest, such as option doesn't look so unattractive in the Geneforge series. Sometimes the only answer to a huge mess is to cut your losses and start over! -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
The Chosen Ending - Geneforge 5 in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Sunday, January 28 2007 15:23 Profile Homepage #21 Emp: quote: I think Jeff's endgame involves peace, similar to the Avernum series when the Empire made peace with Avernum. Continuing with that theme, I think the Trakovite ending will happen, and the war will drag on. After even more brutal years of war, people will begin to consider peace on all sides, and the stage will be set for the inevitable lame peace ending. I certainly hope the above doesn't occur, although it does seem to be Jeff's style to run out of creative genius as he wades through a series. Instead of peace and Shapers giving 100% rights to serviles and humans, I'd rather Geneforge conclude with the Shapers beginning to show a more enlightened attitude towards drayks, humans and serviles. If Shapers on both continents are going to grant complete rights to creations and humans, it will be a slow, labourous process, which will result in the upheaval of the current social order (think of the outlawing of feudalism). If Jeff ends the series with something similiar to 'And the Shapers made the serviles full citizens, and everyone lived happily ever after', I will be just a little disappointed. quote: What I would like to see is a Rebel victory. While in real life I would want the Shapers to win so everything could go back to normal, for the game's sake, I want to Rebels to win so everyone can see how horrific a world under their rule would really be. This is where I'm inclined to agree. I would personally love to see a Rebel victory, and (if you are a pro-Rebel) play a role in attempting to establish a stable, functioning social order. Choices could include: - Forging an alliance between drayk and servile. - Overthrowing the Drakons in favour of a drayk-servile alliance, or vice versa. The attack on the Drakon headquarters could involve an entire drayk-servile army vs. the Drakon minions. - Negotiating with the Sholai (both Loyal and pro-Rebel). From what I understand, the war has ground to a stalemate, and the entry of a new 'superpower' could tip the scales. - A drafting of a 'Rights of Species' (sorry, I can't think of a better title), which will dictate where serviles, drayks, drakons, humans and Shapers stand. There would also be the issue of regulating Shaping activities. - Determining whether Shaper rule returns to the area, or which rebel factions sit in government. Will you try to establish proportional representation (Lebanese style?), or favour one species over another. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Saddam Hussein's Execution in General
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Tuesday, January 9 2007 15:27 Profile Homepage #90 Garrison: quote: Sometimes justice isn't what is best. OK, if you genuinely feel that justice is secondary in some circumstances, fair enough. But the next time Iraqi insurgents execute American P.O.W's without trial, don't come crying to me. quote: I don't believe that we should cheer over Saddam's death and unfair trial, You're quite the humanitarian! quote: I would settle for nothing less than life imprisonment because I can guarantee you that Saddam will plan something troublesome the moment he goes free. So you don't think Saddam should be punished for his supposed crimes against humanity, but because he's a thorn in the side of America and/or the current puppet government in Iraq. Interesting. quote: If justice is sugar, then vengeance is Ace K. You're right. Justice, and the right to a fair trial, are privileges that are only deserved by patriotic Americans. They should not extend to anyone else, especially when mobs and rival factions want 'revenge'. Thank God Americans like you don't rule the world, or we'd have internment camps where 'threats' to America are held without trial, and are systematically tortured. Oh, wait... -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Geneforge or Avernum Series? in General
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Tuesday, January 9 2007 13:42 Profile Homepage #37 1. Which series do you think is better? the Geneforge series or Avernum series Geneforge series 2. Which series do you think has a brighter future (i.e. more games, more popularity, etc.) Given that Avernum 4 was a flop, I don't place much faith in the upcoming Avernum 5. Also, since I've heard that Geneforge 4 is a great success, I'd have to say that the Geneforge Series has a more promising future. 3. How long have you been playing either of these series. Who started the day A1 was released? I've been playing ever since Exile 1 (version 1.0) was released for Mac. Yes, I'm an old school fan. Surprise surprise. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Saddam Hussein's Execution in General
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Tuesday, January 9 2007 13:01 Profile Homepage #88 Garrison: quote: So it fails on principle. Boo hoo. The definition of the so-called society that gets to preside over a mock trial is simply the one in power. Why waste time on the means of justice when the ends are going to be the same? Too bad Saddam had not been a little younger so that his execution wouldn't seem so cowardly and lowly. I'll ignore your condescending sarcasm, and merely point out that one should expect a fair trial for Saddam, because the Allies promised that they were going to liberate the Iraqi people, and promote democracy. Saddam was subjected to a farce of a trial which was undemocratic. It appears that the Americans (once again) have failed in their stated goals. Why am I not surprised? Added to which, you make the assumption that if Saddam had have been given 'real' justice, the outcome would have been the same. Quite simply, that conjecture is unfounded. Many 'criminals' who have been assumed guilty by the media, were later exonerated by the court (Lindy Chamberlain comes to mind). I'm no fan of Saddam, but I give credit where credit is due. I congratulate him for his defiance shown both in the court, and at the execution. He did not bring contempt on the court proceedings. The court brought contempt upon itself. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Food Census-Because we all have some opinion about it in General
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Monday, January 8 2007 18:55 Profile Homepage #15 What is your favorite food? = A tie between stir fried squid, roast pork, roast duck/chicken. Pizza is pretty close to the top, as well. What is your most hated food? = Cheese, followed closely by cantaloupe. Is there any circumstance under which you would eat your most hated food? = If it were on pizza What is your favorite beverage? = A tie between tea, hot chocolate, and creamy soda What do you normally cook spur of the moment? = Sausages/omelette/lamb chops with potato and mixed vegetables. Are you a vegetarian? = No. I've considered go vegetarian though. What is your favorite dessert food? = A tie between Pavlova and Jelly What is your favorite type of chocolate? = Hazelnut chocolate. Favorite pizza topping(s)? = Hot salami Favorite breakfast? = Toasted Muesli Least favorite breakfast? = A tie between porridge and cornflakes Favorite protein food? = Pork Favorite fruit? = Strawberries Favorite vegetable? = Radish Favorite popcorn topping? = Butter -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Who still plays the Exile Trilogy & Why in General
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Monday, January 8 2007 17:54 Profile Homepage #34 As someone else here mentioned, Exile 1 was perhaps the most memorable game I played on the Mac. I then purchased the entire series for Windows, and must have spent a year playing them. Exile 2 was by far my favourite. And then newbies wonder why I found Avernum 4 a disappointment. [ Tuesday, January 09, 2007 13:44: Message edited by: Waylander ] -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
What have you been reading lately? in General
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Monday, January 8 2007 16:39 Profile Homepage #271 "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. His most recent, and perhaps most enjoyable book. He doesn't go out of the way to offend, but he doesn't go out of his way to be diplomatic either. I know one 'secular' forum where if I even mentioned that I thought God was a delusion, I'd be banned for making offensive statements. :rolleyes: -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Saddam Hussein's Execution in General
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Monday, January 8 2007 16:28 Profile Homepage #79 Saddam's execution makes me feel rather unsettled. I think it's obvious to any spectator that the trial wasn't fair and impartial. I'd in fact argue that it was a ridiculous farce, especially given that Saddam's worst enemies. This observation has been voiced by various Humanitarian organizations. I guess that's what happens when Saddam's worst enemies (the Shia and Kurds) pull the strings. It's the equivalent of a Democrat only jury passing judgement on Bush. Every man deserves his day in court. Executing someone after a show trial is a perversion of democracy. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
A hypothetical scenario in Geneforge Series
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Sunday, January 7 2007 01:50 Profile Homepage #76 Mica: quote: The SA focused its actions on the socialists and communists. Hitler still won out against the centrist and conservative parties in a democratic election. I don't care who he focused against (although he did focus on the Communist party, which was quite popular at the time). The fact still remains that the intimidation, abduction and murder of political opponents perverted the democratic process. The moment political opponents are manhandled, is the moment that democracy ceases to exist. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
A hypothetical scenario in Geneforge Series
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Sunday, January 7 2007 01:22 Profile Homepage #74 Mica: quote: Yes, he was. Hitler's party won the most seats in parliamentary elections and, as the leader of the largest party, he was invited to form a government with himself as chancellor. That is how democracy works, in most European states. If we follow that logic, Saddam and Stalin were both also democratically elected. All that stuff about abducting and killing rival politicians, as well as storming the streets to intimidate and bash anyone who owes allegiance to a different party, is QUITE democratic. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Has Jeff neglected the Eyebeasts/Gazers in Geneforge Series
Suspicious Vlish Infiltrator Member # 2245	written Sunday, January 7 2007 01:16 Profile Homepage #0 I'm rather surprised that for both GF2 and GF3, Eyebeasts/Gazers haven't played a more pivotal role in balancing the scales of the conflict. In my eyes, perhaps the only real threat to the Drakon alliance is the Gazer. Think about it: - One on one, the only creation strong enough to take down a Drakon is the Gazer/Eyebeast (and perhaps the Rotgroth). However, the Gazer is a very intelligent being, which means that it can actually attack its creator in a calculated way, whereas a Rotgroth cannot. - Gazers appear to have a rather intense hatred of Drakons, whereas they are rather ambivalent towards Shapers. After all, Shapers really haven't done much to harm Gazerkind (yet), whereas the Drakons seem to enjoy using Gazers as pawns, despite the fact that it is quite clear that Gazers aren't to be messed with. It only follows that Gazers/Eyebeasts should have broken ties with the Drakons, to form their own little elitist organization. - Drakons have the ability to Shape. However, this is offset by a Gazer's ability to control the minds of entire regiments! All in all, a Gazer's ability to control the mind of entire regiments is more deadly than a Drakon's ability to create. In fact, by charming the Drakon's creation, it can quite easily turn the tables. - Gazers/Eyebeasts apparently have a sense of 'collectivity' (I may be mistaken on this). When present in packs, they appear to have a social structure similiar to 'The Many' from System Shock II. If this is true, such a unique 'collective' social structure reduces the probability of power struggles between eyebeasts and gazers. So the question here is... why haven't gazers and eyebeasts banded together to form a collective, and take the battle to both the Drakons and the Shapers? They seem quite capable of kicking ass. Why doesn't Jeff exploit this potential? [ Sunday, January 07, 2007 01:24: Message edited by: Waylander ] -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 \| Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00

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