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Apprentice
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written Wednesday, March 7 2007 01:28
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I was just wandering.... .... if canisters edit copy a peice of genetic code from the creator of the canister, over the user's DNA, then wouldnt it be possible to create canisters to specifically spread genetic disorders such as Huntington's Disorder by canister. The shapers could construct thousands of the things for use by the canister addicted rebel forces, thereby doing serius damage to the command structure. -------------------- Slate Beauty I Look Down From Castle of the Winds Posts: 19 | Registered: Thursday, February 1 2007 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, March 7 2007 01:43
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There was one poison canister in Geneforge 2. For some reason, the idea never caught on. It didn't do anything permanent, just some damage, but it shouldn't be too hard to make conisters with more harmful effects. Just look at what a drakon geneforge does to a human. It would certainly be an efficient and cruel way for the Shapers to deal with their enemies, but, being a canister advocate, I'm glad they havn't figured it out yet. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Wednesday, March 7 2007 02:29
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There was a deadly canister in Geneforge 1, too. I'd imagine the amount of essence and raw materials required to make a canister means that using them as tools of destruction generally isn't cost-effective. Better to use the same amount of essence to make a creation and go wreak some havoc with it. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, March 7 2007 04:07
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But what about creating a canister which makes one of the rebels a walking disease factory? A contagious virus that does now harm to the user, but will kill everyone else? Of course, there are high changes of such creation going out of control, so I can see why they haven't done it... -------------------- I have nothing more to do in this world, so I can go & pester the inhabitants of the next one with a pure concscience. Posts: 617 | Registered: Tuesday, April 13 2004 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Wednesday, March 7 2007 07:28
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Or, perhaps, a canister that feeds on the essence from previous canisters. An excellent reform tool, and it could be deadly to creations, which are made entirely from essence. Not to mention that it could be used as a trap to strip Rebels of their power. -------------------- May the fires of Undeath burn in your soul, and consume it. Posts: 1636 | Registered: Wednesday, January 5 2005 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Wednesday, March 7 2007 10:16
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Same question different angle: why Shapers does not use Ur-Drakons created and controlled the way PC do against rebels? They try to abide by their ban list. Wich quite definitely includes canisters, provided Shapers have an idea how to make'em at all in the first place. -------------------- "At ease, guys, it's just some nonsence green wingbolt..." - Guardian Kantor, Shaper infiltrator forces, last words. Posts: 36 | Registered: Sunday, March 4 2007 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, March 7 2007 15:53
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If the Shapers could make canisters as weapons and thought that the idea would kill rebels, they'd be out making them. There are some problems, though. First, canisters are expensive and can probably kill one and only one rebel at best. Canisters apparently alter genes, and altered genes aren't exactly a communicable disease. Then there's the problem of distribution: the rebels are going to be very suspicious of any canisters found among Shapers. Where do canisters get placed to rebels will use them and how long will they keep using canisters they haven't made themselves? —Alorael, who ultimately doesn't think the effects of canister warfare could cause enough damage to justify the hefty costs and logistical problems. All that money could be going into making new creations that are drakons' equals in power and less likely to start shaping themselves. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, March 7 2007 15:59
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To answer Acidic's question: the skill to create a drakon can not be learned. In every game that has them, you have to learn it from a canister. I assume that means that controlling a drakon is too difficult for a normal person, so you have to be shaped to do it. That means Shapers can never make drakons. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Wednesday, March 7 2007 17:09
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wait...what does the drakon geneforge do to a human? I think there was a poisonus canister in G3 you have to bring to some guy to help the rebels... -------------------- R.R Posts: 179 | Registered: Friday, February 23 2007 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Wednesday, March 7 2007 17:12
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Kills them. Well, twists their bodies into the disfigured image of a pseudo-drakon, thus killing them. Quite painfully. -------------------- May the fires of Undeath burn in your soul, and consume it. Posts: 1636 | Registered: Wednesday, January 5 2005 08:00 |
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Councilor
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written Thursday, March 8 2007 14:18
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Originally by Onyx Gem: quote:Which (as I understand it) is only poisonous to you because it is designed specifically for him and his genes. Dikiyoba can't remember where the poisonous canister in G2 is. Will someone please refresh Dikiyoba's memory? Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Thursday, March 8 2007 14:26
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Onyx Gem likes the Dikiyoba. :o :D -------------------- R.R Posts: 179 | Registered: Friday, February 23 2007 08:00 |
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Councilor
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written Thursday, March 8 2007 15:08
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Once was funny. Now it's not. If you must respond, a simple thank you will do. Please stop. Dikiyoba. Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Thursday, March 8 2007 18:45
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Viruses work by inserting DNA (or RNA with reverse transcriptase) into cells and disabling the nucleic DNA. If you're modifying nucleic DNA, surely you can modify it to pump out Ebola ... Posts: 3 | Registered: Thursday, October 23 2003 07:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Thursday, March 8 2007 18:58
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Germ warfare isn't a terribly attractive option for the Shapers. The rebels live in lands that the Shapers see as rightfully theirs; they'd really rather there still be people living there when they take them back. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Thursday, March 8 2007 21:14
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I've always imagined that canisters alter every copy of the genes in question in every cell in the user's body. I don't think someone whose entire body is shut down to become a virus factory would make a very good vector. The canister user would be too likely to collapse and die immediately. Really, if the Shapers wanted a virus and understand biology well enough to create one in a canister, they could shape one and release it by, say, putting it in an ordinary glass vial and having a creation smash it near some rebels. That's not a good strategy, though, because as Thuryl said they only want to kill rebels. They also probably don't want to die themselves, and there's no genetic basis by which a virus can target rebels and spare Shapers. A virus that removes the ability to shape might work better, but given the Geneforge skill system it's not entirely clear that learning the hard way or from canisters doesn't result in exactly the same changes. If ability is ability, the Shapers still wouldn't want to cripple themselves with an anti-shaping virus. Maybe the best they could do is create a virus that specificallly removes the ability to shape drayks, drakons and gazers. Even that would do very little against anyone but the most powerful rebel shapers. —Alorael, who actually can see the Trakovites making the anti-shaping virus if they ever get a powerful shaper sympathetic to their cause. That would make the war very interesting. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Councilor
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written Thursday, March 8 2007 21:21
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Originally by Alorael: quote:Really, it would be much easier (but still somewhat dangerous) to create a virus that directly kills or weakens drayks, drakons, and gazers without affecting other living things. Dikiyoba. Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Thursday, March 8 2007 22:10
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quote:If you give the Shapers the Unbound specifications and then release the Unbound at the end, the Shapers actually do something very much like this to fight the Unbound. It works pretty well, unfortunately for you. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Friday, March 9 2007 07:45
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I think that they should make sort of a nuke canister that creates a big explosion when used. Posts: 9 | Registered: Wednesday, March 7 2007 08:00 |
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His Mighty Tentacle
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written Friday, March 9 2007 07:54
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And why do you think that? Do you really believe that the Shapers would be so stupid as to do something this incredibly foolhardy? Do you actually believe they are careless enough to leave a weapon of such incredible power out for somebody to find, and possibly use it against them? :rolleyes: My tentacles hurt. -------------------- If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish. Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish. Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, March 9 2007 09:34
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What genes do you modify to make someone reach become fissile and reach critical mass? —Alorael, who on the other hand could see the Shapers or the rebels developing a way to make people and creations suddenly become significantly more like pyroroamers. It would serve as a magnificent way to kill someone spectacularly, it would be a potent psychological weapon, and all sufficiently canistered-up rebels would find it hilarious. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, March 9 2007 14:21
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Emp: quote:What about Geneforge II, where you can learn Create Drakon from the Barzites and Takers? -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 | Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Saturday, March 10 2007 05:22
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true you would not want to do that but you could say that for all of the "poisoned" canisters. Posts: 9 | Registered: Wednesday, March 7 2007 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Saturday, March 10 2007 09:42
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quote:I'm actually writing a fan fiction in which the Shapers attempt to do just that. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Saturday, March 10 2007 13:55
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quote:I'm interested, are you going to post it here when you've finished? -------------------- Slate Beauty I Look Down From Castle of the Winds Posts: 19 | Registered: Thursday, February 1 2007 08:00 |
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