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Best PC class? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Just to add to the matter of creatures death:
I prefer runnign a small party of "serious" guys, e.g. leveled with essence.

it takes almost the same ... "qualification" to get any1 of'em killed as to die yourself then.

BTW I do prefer solo strats too. The problem is a common "munchkin's" FunVsEfficency thing imho.

[ Friday, March 30, 2007 04:16: Message edited by: Acidic Helixbolt ]

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"At ease, guys, it's just some nonsence green wingbolt..."
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Best PC class? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Won't be possible to do.
Solo'er will always act first (well, unless he's real idiot) and focus lifecrafter's own body.

then it gonan be a matter of pure balance:
can Infi finish Shaper first move first round?
can then all shaper's creations finish Infi in one collective strike?

(I am 100% confident that second turn's Agent attacks WILL kill shaper)

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Something I never understood in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Omitting the "laziness on Jeff's part" and "techical problems of fitting a mount in one title" (When there is none, abovementioned Glaahks happily take up one square, and drawing a Shaper figure atop of it will cause little more then a minor increase to our beloved "skip turn instead of attacking someone atop of you" interface problem) explanations, I can suggest the strange, but possible case of Geneforgians not inventing/accepting the concept of "riding a mount" altogether.

Given there are no horses, Glaahks are pain in the... errrm... well, uncomfortable to ride (You try to make yourself comfortable on a trembling chitin plate:-P), and new creature designs being directed elsewhere, it's just possible that geneforgians view riding a mount much in the same way first cars were taken by men. "Quite a useless circus".

As for "cavalry", once again, that role is perfectly filled with fast-moving creatures already. Obviously Shapers will rather risk clawbug/glaahk/wingbolt then their own bodies atop of anything like that. Plus, unlike our world, where there were no tamed mounts with strong own offencive capabilities (Even war elephants were greately improved by archers tower on), in Geneforge, if I come to the idea of Shaping a horse for, say, non-shaping mercenaries to go to battle, I will very soon follow with the idea of a Centaur or whatever. And since I can not improve the "design" of mercenaries, but can make "Battle Centaur Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Horseshakk, Rothgrhorse etc", the "cavalry" as we understand it will most likely be outclassed.

P.S. A good Firebolt friend of mine pointed out WE are the "cavalry". Quite a cunning devil, he was, unlike that mage who tried to make him last with underlveveled and badly timed Regeneration:(

P.P.S. With hit last breaths he still tried to enlighten us about what a bane were shrapnel charges to cavalry, and that Essence Orbs are functionally the same thing.

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"At ease, guys, it's just some nonsence green wingbolt..."
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Best PC class? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Could we also add point 5:
Hassle of playing.

Like, easier levels, it may appear little annoying to carry and control an assortment of creatures.
And going harder, it becomes worse to keep loading, and you finally decide you NEED those wingbolt or two:-))))

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If you could be any creation... in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Cant see me having much choice:-)

We are cool. Come to think about it, we are not some stupid pop idol. We are original! And we do actually fly...

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Wingbolts are over-rated in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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To sum it up, the only reason we appear over-rated is the fact we are pretty.
And pretty imba too.

We are definitely more pretty then funky-colored barking dogs with Kentukki Fried Chiken's wings attached.

With good leveling we are not "fragile" at all, and even mana depletion is hardly an issue, because it seems to outlast practically any opposition anyways.

[ Sunday, March 18, 2007 16:39: Message edited by: Acidic Helixbolt ]

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"At ease, guys, it's just some nonsence green wingbolt..."
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Why is Battle shaping unpopular? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Cryptozoology and Delicious Vlish pretty much made the whole point.

It is true you CAN do almost anything in Geneforge and yet somehow manage to get away with it, it’s really hard to get an absolutely unplayable build.

However, Battle creations are utterly inferior to mostly everything else for the same buck. Speaking of Rotghroth, basically the only battle creation worth a mention, isnt he happens to be the same tier as Wingbolt anyways?

What we expect and what we get:
- “Meat Shields”. Och yes, really, we’d like a meaty bulldog Battle dud to be able to withstand noticeably more love then, say, some worm, or same worm with wings, or even hollow-boned reptile (speaking of drayks)… but he isnt.
- “Meat Shields” take two. Worse then that, there is a major “special”-typed damage coming your way through the game, e.g. non-physical. Among Fire and Magic guys there’s a plenty of resistance, but Battle? Well, Clawbugs and Rots got some, but that’s it.
- “Meat Shield” take three, aka HoMM4 Tactics. Due to Geneforge’s engine, every ranged guy can shoot right through a living/walking/even attacking obstacle. Plus, the same guy can almost always move out of melee contact and use his powerful ranged attack on would-be skirmisher…

Resume: why would anyone want a meat shield that got no meat and shields noone?

- “Heavy Hitters”. OK Huston, we got an improvement there tnx to new AP system. Still, in terms of raw damage melee attack is often weak. Reason: Hasted ranged is guaranteed to deliver 2 blows. Hasted melee – not so much. Taking an average of 1.5 blows (sometimes opponents will not move out too far and sometimes they will) I’d like to see melee hitter to deliver 1,33 times the damage. Well, they don’t. Och, and it’s sometimes plainly impossible to focus critical target with melee creatures, you know, terrain, obstacles, other opponents.
- “Heavy Hitters” take two. Resistance, shmesistance, and Cryoa biting the shades. Melee dmg resistance is quite plain throughout creeps. There will be no wonders. Good thing, there will be no “takes no damage” embarassment aswell. However, quite an every opponent got, like, no resistance to some “special” damage whatsoever, so your cryodrayks/wingbolts WILL sometimes do the abovementioned miracles, and it’s not a Binomial theorem to actually manage that.
- “Heavy Hitters” take three, aka “Wow, I was sure Glaahks were battle”. Ok, guess what, I will be willing to soak ALL other problems if this one is adressed. Well, we are at a huge disadvantage of melee, we can not even deliver a heavy blow, but at least can we deliver a blow that counts nontheless? Rotghroth again being an acceptable exception, no. We will have to take classes from said Glaahks, Ur-Drakons (well THOSE pack a punch, never prevents them from adding insult to the injury), you guess – Wingbolts (Roth’s are graduated there), oldschool Vlish, etc. Battle duds used to “stun”, but that is quite a useless thing on new AP system…

Resume: why would anyone want a heavy hitter that hits soft?

Nail into a coffin, skill points:
You can easily go mono-Fire. Imba tech, fire got quite everythign you might need.
You can go mono-Magic, aside from having to avoid truly massive, energy-depleting battles you’ll do fine.
Mono-Battle basically gets you nowhere, there is nothing to go to Roths and nothing to do when those are getting obsolete.

Battle creatures can be fun, as pretty much anything you fancy. But looking for the least saveloads on high difficility, you will always find better options.

In case *someone* wonders there for my opinion on possible solutions, I’d really like it to be Battle guys to deliver the strongest debuffs upon connecting. THAT will make my picture of a Guardian (errm… how they’re called now;-)) leading a patrol of Battle Alphas.

P.S. Also the “glass cannon strategy” refers to the idea of putting down the whole opposition before they actually have a chance to deal that damage we can’t stand.

P.P.S. And yes, I was just about to start the topic on "why couldnt Battle be better" myself :)

[ Wednesday, March 14, 2007 18:11: Message edited by: Acidic Helixbolt ]

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"At ease, guys, it's just some nonsence green wingbolt..."
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Matala's room in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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This might belong to "suggestions for G5", but actually, I'd like to point out I prefer playing RPG to some oldschool quest pixel-hunting...

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"At ease, guys, it's just some nonsence green wingbolt..."
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Titan's Halls location...? [SPOILER] in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Actually, my Ur-Dragon, Eyebeast, Wingbolt and Cryoa can not see problems;-)

I just have to stay at entrance myself;-D Mostly anything there kills me in 1-2 hits;-D

Edit- ADVICE:

Fighting titan, kill all other creeps first while he is in golem form.

As he svitches to ur-dragon and later to the worm, try ignoring summons instead, those are realtively harmless.

P.s. Eyebeasts do miracles.

[ Tuesday, March 13, 2007 05:39: Message edited by: Acidic Helixbolt ]

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"At ease, guys, it's just some nonsence green wingbolt..."
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Titan's Halls location...? [SPOILER] in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Behind a column... good God!

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Titan's Halls location...? [SPOILER] in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Hlup... I'm feeling the official dumbass of the planet...
Could you please give me some better directions to "obsure svitch", explored all the Northforge I was able to get to - found none...

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Spam Poetry in General
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The horrible thing about spam filters is that every once in a while I get some actual mail filtered, and the specific of my occupation simply doesnt allow the luxury...

Gotta add that the best thing about spam is just topics. I actually recieved the one labeled "Cheapest viagra" but inviting me to some stock investment inside. A clue to what it's worth, no less.

[ Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:57: Message edited by: Acidic Helixbolt ]

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New Cold War US-Russia? in General
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My point in the calculation above was that, although I don't know how much energy that we produce is simply radiated off as heat, I'd guess that it's no more than a sizable fraction (1%? 10%?)
You appear to be dramatically wrong here.

Fossil fuel engines have an efficency below 40% => 60% is a "sizeable fraction";-)
Electric engined do have efficency of about 90%, but

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Wind and hydro power convert kinetic energy directly to electrical energy, true enough,
Not enough;-) Wind and hydro plants got quite many moving parts, friction = > losses to heat.

Then, we use energy not just for engines. We largely use it also for producing heat on purpose!
-our homes. Not only climatic suystems but your microwave oven too;-)
-metallurgy. (You could guess, it’s all about heating).
E t.c.

I guess, taking industry-wise spreadsheets of energy consumption it’s possible to give some on-the-go analysis of the “sizeable fraction”, but trust me, if we wind up with less then 60% of our energy going to “heat the world”, we’d be either lucky or wrong somewhere;-)

(If someone can google out termal efficency of wind or hydro plant I'd be very thankful.
For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_efficiency
(gotta like wiki, saves some googling;-)))

[ Friday, March 09, 2007 04:00: Message edited by: Acidic Helixbolt ]

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Fine point of morality and lesser evil.

Not living among your waste is a matter of hygiene, I believe, since almost every wild animal on the planet managed to handle it for far more then humanity is said to exist at all.

Children mortality rates, on the other hand, is the argument that makes me angry and at loss on human’s ego at same time… You go to WWF site, altrough highly biased, they still provide some info on what other lifeforms’s mortality rates are a price for this one now.

Children mortality rate is an intra-species problem. But human species is now a planet-large problem. Och of course, we have enough ego for that. And we have the greatest ever assortment of “moral” arguments to back us up in destroying the world that gave us birth and home.

Only I feel like we underestimate the world’s ability to fight back. We do not “save” those children now, we loan their life from the future. It is said that one can not be a truly genius general without the ability to “amorally” steer the “lesser losses” pathway while some losses are unevitable. Humanity is not it’s own genius general.

[ Thursday, March 08, 2007 06:18: Message edited by: Acidic Helixbolt ]

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Originally written by Spent Salmon:
Your intimate knowledge of the growing global crisis is daunting, and prior to committing to a prolonged discussion I need to know what level of mastery you have achieved. I mean really, isn't that fair?
Almost. When you in all fairness need to know something like this, you usually do so as politely as your manners allow, probably introducing your own level of mastery if mentioning “even ground”. Rather, when someone starts his contribution to the discussion on Internet boards with a rather bold flaming of opponent’s point of view and then keep trying to legitimize it by the virtue of doubting his opponent’s general qualifications and intelligence rather then the exact and present arguments, that person might instead put his own very specific qualification of carrying out a webboard argument with minimal trolling at doubt, possible leading to him or her being ignored in further discussion.
Aside from unfinished degree work on global warming (decided to take mathematical economics instead) I really haven’t much PhD’s papers to back me up. However, I am confident that some pretty easily available knowledge coupled with adequate educational level and a good measure of common sense allows pretty much everyone to understand and discuss matters in question.

I would also like to thank Kelandon and others for a very enjoyable discussion so far.

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Calculations on global warming/cooling are complex depending upon how you model the earth.
This is very true. What I was trying to do initially is to underline those factors we may be taking into an account. For the purpose of both global warming issue and local climate changes.

Now let me get back to those for a moment to see if we achieved a good mutual understanding.

Factor one: Amount of sun radiation received by planet (As opposed to one reflected by infamous Ozone atmosphere layer)
Of course I was not entirely accurate myself, because I should have been saying “reflected by atmosphere in general AND any other pre-planet-surface reflective means”.

For your reference, one of the sidebars of Wiki article brought to us by Kelandon shows a nice picture of a portion of solar energy, in form of radiation, reflected and absorbed and further radiated back by an atmosphere.

What was my point there is that this variable is, unlike some others we’re calling for, a subject to change, be it by natural or technological (yes, yes) or other human-inspired means. Randomizer gave a fine mention to the problems of modeling and calculating those effects; however, speaking of global climate we need to keep track of this. For example, I have heard an interesting argument (that some may call nonsense way more then our current discussion) that as a means of fighting global warming without doing anything to the atmosphere we can set some sort of protective, i.e. reflective, screen on the orbit. Despite the obvious problems with this “solution”, I see no way to discount the fact that Factor One is a variable and not something we just “begin with”.

As a side note, I was not touching skin cancer and other UV issues of ozone layer because while certainly being dangerous, those are somewhat out of the scope of our “global and local energies” discussion.

Factor two: Amount of IR radiation out of the planet (as opposed to IR radiation “caught” by atmosphere CO2), aka greenhouse effect, aka pollution, aka etc.

Why had not I digged deep into this is twofold. First, it is easily the most discussed and quite most worked-out part of the problem.
It is rightfully mentioned that for global warming this factor is still the dominating and deciding one. My point was that it is not the only one still.
Plus, many obviously “non-green” power sources, such as nuclear power, mostly bypass CO2 and other atmosphere pollution effects, therefore NOT contributing to factor two. Very often this fact is used in conjunction with the statement of “other facts being neglible” to advocate those power sources as “effectively green”, which is quite a dangerous delusion, at best, even while still speaking only of energy balance. And to illustrate this we are coming to

Factor three: Amount of heat produced on planet.

By us. Kelandon’s calculations, as he himself admits, might not be accurate, but I would really like to thank him for the fact that those are illustrative enough.

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In other words, if the entire world were to generate a hundred times as much waste thermal energy as useful energy and ship that energy all into the air above Europe, the continent's average daily temperature would increase by one degree.
I think we can pretty safely start from there, thank you. I would pretend that actual square might be smaller, because both industry and sophisticated-lifestyle (and therefore energy-consuming) end users mostly focus in GB/France/Germany/and abit to the north zone, my point is quite different.
How neglible is this?

For this matter, I would like to introduce You a new player:

Energy consumption growth rates.

Exponential, so far. We can quite safely assume that in like 1700 those were about zero. Starting from the use of coal energy…
Again I can reference a sidebar in abovementioned Wiki article that conveniently shows us that global energy consumption roughly tripled since 65’. But it’s easy to see that timegraph of energy consumption (zero at 1700, still near zero at 1800 and the up and up) is not optimistic. Assuming the ongoing trend of tripling energy consumption in 40 years we will arrive at “hundred times as much” in about 170 years.

What we want to be looking for is at least linear trend. (That will give us some real long way to go). It would be very tempting to back it up by arguments such as “we had many natural resources to put to use in those 300 years of exponential trend, but now when those seem to be depleting why wouldn’t we expect to slow down”… However, we do not seem to slow down so far, and I such an arguments are in place since back coal time, when oil wasn’t yet put in use, and further since. Humanity’s ingenuity coupled with humanity’s greed is a strong proposition indeed.

My point here being: “it might look neglible at the moment, but the growth rates are putting this factor as a runner-up for “I matter” position”.

It is worth noting that for the factor 3, no energy source is entirely “kosher”, be that even an unfueled perpetuum mobile, there will invariably be some heating. Worse still, extra-efficient, extra-green power sources will only support the dangerous trend of rising consumption, getting it to the mattering levels.

And the last but most important part, The Equilibrium.

All described factors, and I am sure some that eluded us entirely, actually used to play together. This has an awful habit of complicating matters.

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This makes me suspect that we could absorb all of the energy from the Sun without a significant change.
Unlikely, unless we equal it with factor B somehow. Because we, probably unfortunately, still got the atmosphere and +15, and absorbed energy, unlike on a un-atmosphered body You described, will be greenhoused there.

This is the worst catch of various “safe” and “renewable” energy sources. Factors 1 and 3 warms us, factor 2 is supposed to cool us, and for the planet to stay roughly as we know it the major values of this equilibrium has to stand roughly as those are. Instead, each and every one changes by the effect of human activity, powered by energy, and “green” on itself energy is no exception to this, like the very necessary kitchen knife that is also the primary instrument of murder.

The problem is not only in how we get the energy but how we use it, because we displayed no ability to keep it reasonable:

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Urbanization is producing heat islands. So some areas are hotter from heat that is stored in roads and buildings during the day and reradiated during the night. These places are shifting the weather.
I never meant to say there isn’t new equilibrium to be reached. As in example above, being given that factor 3 grows and is about to matter, and being given that the cooling effect of factor 2 shrinks, there is a great assortment of solutions to be found. Aside from “factor one shield” I described above we can invent some planet-sized refrigerator, we can genetically alter flora and fauna to be way more CO2-consuming therefore fighting the natural greenhouse effect of CO2…. The list goes and goes on.

The problem I got with it is that it won’t be the Earth we were born on anymore.

The one planet where there was only so much natural resources to support life, and where, frankly, everything was fine until 1700’s and the introduction of artificial energy.

[ Thursday, March 08, 2007 06:24: Message edited by: Acidic Helixbolt ]

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As usual, warmest part first. Spent Salmon, I really can not get it how credentials help put the conversation on more even ground with “your position is nonsence and idiotic” argument, rather, those only further increase the gap.

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This is a constant. It is not contributing to any "growing more warm," just to an underlying factor of "being warm to begin with." .
Actually, it is not, because of the aforementioned ozone. Ozone Layer’s “natural” purpose is to absorb/reflect a portion of solar radiation. Therefore, thinning of it will cause more radiation, and in that form more heat, to reach the planet. (And this even omitting all the health problems from UV)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_layer

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I'm fairly certain that this is a negligible effect..
Very might be globally at the moment. However, I’m not discounting it for the simple reason of displayed humanity’s quite unsatable appetite, and because the introduction of newer and “better” power sources is likely to keep the trend.

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However, your there-are-no-green-sources-of-energy point of view is not really accurate.
Mea culpa. Seriously. I had not made myself clear on this critical point.

I do not think that there-are-no-green-sources-of-energy.

I think that
There are no way not and can not be enough green sources of energy for the current, and growing, levels of consumption by the current, and growing, number of Earth’s population .

Biofuel, the green but fair “land-can-support-only-so-much” fuel, makes exceptionally fine example of this. Here the first google result: http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=108206&org=NSF (I am sure those interested can eaasily find more on the topic).

Note this:
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The researchers estimate that growing mixed prairie grasses on all of the world's degraded land could produce enough bioenergy to replace 13 percent of global petroleum consumption and 19 percent of global electricity consumption. .
Notice that we’re speaking about using up basically all the land we could. You can dig deeper, but farmland is more or less fixed. Less then 20%
Please notice that this amount is naturally limited, unlike our consumption. So what is 13% and 19% now will be less tomorrow if we keep going as we do.

[ Wednesday, March 07, 2007 15:39: Message edited by: Acidic Helixbolt ]

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And I did believe I explained it clear enough about what shortcut “heat transfer” actually means. Let’s give it another try, Kelandon.

Wires do not radiate much heat, yes. But any electrically-powered equipment you got that wires in for – invariably will. At the “final destination” of any “energy carrier”, be it electricity, fossil fuel or whatever else, say, just winded up spring, there will be a process of “work” that consists of a) useful work and b) losses, mostly in the form of heating.

Also, let’s not confuse two parts of what I was talking about; those are quite interconnected, but different:

a) Global warming as an aggregated result of many factors. Most important among those:
- Amount of sun radiation received by planet (As opposed to one reflected by infamous Ozone atmosphere layer)
- Amount of IR radiation out of the planet (as opposed to IR radiation “caught” by atmosphere CO2)
- And, what I am talking about, amount of heat produced on planet from initially enviromental-temperatured sources (coal, fossil/nuclear fuel, hydro plants etc).

You could easily see that ALL of those factors are reported to be getting worse: Ozone layer thins up, CO2 emissions grow (even to the point of being noticed by many governments, with various efforts to limit it already made), and our civilization’s energy consumption keeps going up.

And b) Trans-area climate changes via “heat/cold” transfer, of whatever form. There are numerous explanations on this topic; the easy vocal example would be a sudden turn of Gulf Stream: while overall “average patient’s temperature of hospital” remains the same, one areas will be getting dramatically colder while others dramatically warmer. The cataclysmic consequences of this are not to be underestimated.
One easy example: let’s assume we managed to achieve +3 degrees over Antarctica while getting -3 degrees over the same square of, well, Oceania… From one side we’re up for a nice flood as ices melt, from another we’re up for a biological catastrophe for your jungles, corals etc.

In this regard your argument about “neglible” and “minimal” effects is not appropriate: while neglible on the planet scale, it may well be enough for Sahara locally.

Both processes can indeed take place simultaneously.

Another word about “neglible”. Those of you who live in big enough industrial cities can right now, right for himself, see a trick. It works nice in “easy winter” of around zero.
Take a thermometer.
Measure a temperature in your city. Make 5-6 observations on roughly the same latitude.
Now travel 50+ kilometers away from the city, “into the wilderness”, keeping the same latitude.
You will need two travels actually, west- and eastwards, to offset various atmospheric fronts effects.
… you may guess that in theory, barring rare moments of exact passing of atmosphere front (evade such a time), you should get a linear temperature gradient west-city-east.
You will not. You will get about +1/+2 degrees in city.

And you will then go to a great length of argument to remain in peace with your optimism.

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Same question different angle: why Shapers does not use Ur-Drakons created and controlled the way PC do against rebels?

They try to abide by their ban list. Wich quite definitely includes canisters, provided Shapers have an idea how to make'em at all in the first place.

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Solar energy is only cosher when used in neglible amounts. Otherwise it it our climate. Either we are absorbing more light, allowing less to be reflected back to the space => global warming, or we "transfer" temperature as described above. Neither is particularry harmless.

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Well, to all things there is a beginning, and to all things there is an end:-) To uranium, to thorium… Guess a thing: if at times of Gottlieb Daimler someone’d counted the expected longetivity of oil supplies, he’d probably give the simillar “practically forever” extimation.
Based on consumption levels of his time;-))))

Last, say 2-3 centuries humanity developed quite a manner of gnawing through “practically forever-lasting” supplies with frightening speed, starting from the so-called “ship wood” in Great Britain all the way through the whales to fossil fuel.
And in each example at the time of first bites everyone voiced this resource to last “practically forever” or something to that effect, therefore it is quite frightening for me to hear such arguments.
For example, nowadays planet-wise nuclear plants provide somewhere below 10% of electricity, and mind you tht electricity is practically NOT used to charge electrocars. I’ve seen a rough estimation that in theoretical “make every car electric, home plug – charged” (Coupled with diesel rails/ships and – the funniest – airplanes. Wich will mean step back from jets to propellers) will more then triple electricity consumption. Not sure if this is any credible, but it’s all I can remember on subject. Then, mind you that about 15-20% of electricity planet-wise is produced by – guess what – burning coal and/or natural gas. (My mortherland especially likes this stupid method… anyways, back on topic) This is exhaustible fuel btw;-)
What this gives us is that our “simple solution” leads to almost 10 times increase in uranium/thorium/whatever consumption… (x3 for cars x3 for coal/gas = x9) and this providing the OVERALL energy consumption will stop increasing almost exponentially like it does last 100 years…

While this describes one side of the problem, “solar panels over Sahara” is a very, very precise hit to other. Unfortunatelly, free cheese belongs to only one place. Why Sahara is Sahara in the firist place? Because Sun heats. Let me note that heat is what we will use on solar panels to get electricity.
This means that for every watt of electricity taken this way, Sahara will get 0,000x degrees colder. Did I got you right that you didn’t wanted a single watt, you wanted AMOUNTS? … huston, we’ve got a problem.

And next, let me guess, that electricity will transfer to where, Europe, USA, China… Now let me tell you the other thing: there is theoretical “absolutely efficent” machine where 100% of energy input does the job. Practically those are impossible. There is always a huge chunk of so-called “loss”, and it’s quite rarely less then 20% (Actually, many common mashines have an efficency around 10% meaning 90% loss…)
Anyways, take as given, every, even the most perfect machine will be losing some part of energy.

You know how? Friction mainly. Try that with your hands. Feel the warmth? These losses are first and foremost to HEATING. (Therefore widespread “coolants” everywhere). Are you getting my drift?

You will be taking heat from Sahara and transporting it to Europe. And if I got you right you plan to do it for big, for real.

The climate is an expendable thing, too...

[ Wednesday, March 07, 2007 02:45: Message edited by: Acidic Helixbolt ]

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Confused... in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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...especially considering the fact that you DO NOT need perfected items on it's own, aside from artifact construction.

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I am quite a pacifist mutant wingbolt :cool:
Since you can imagine what wingbolt's amounts of damage but of acid type can do to people, I try to use blasting as a very, very last argument :)

Edit: Jiraffas, definitely!

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What exactly makes people believe nuclear fuel to be less exhaustive then said oil... ?

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Revealed storages of oil on the planet are to last for about 50 years. Well, with new discoveries maybe 100.
My bet that will "kill" the civilisation as we know it way before any doomsayers' cataclysm.

Edit and clarification: "Biological" fuel, unlike oil, takes up farm LAND. therefore abides by the math "X land can support Y people".
By all calculations possible now there is too much Y for this planet's X.

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anti canister rebel in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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anti-canister rebel = war for peace = sex for virginity.

You gotta make your choice conciously.

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