Best PC class?
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Apprentice
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 02:55
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Could we also add point 5: Hassle of playing. Like, easier levels, it may appear little annoying to carry and control an assortment of creatures. And going harder, it becomes worse to keep loading, and you finally decide you NEED those wingbolt or two:-)))) -------------------- "At ease, guys, it's just some nonsence green wingbolt..." - Guardian Kantor, Shaper infiltrator forces, last words. Posts: 36 | Registered: Sunday, March 4 2007 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 06:09
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I actually find a do a HUGELY greater number of reloads when running a Lifecrafter. Until Drayks, your creations are quite fragile, and while you can always use tactics to protect a single character, it's harder to keep eight alive every time in a big battle. Even once you hit the tougher creations, occassionally something will manage to die. A disposable creations model might require even less reloads than a singleton. But that also doesn't require a Lifecrafter. An Infiltrator can run it nearly as well and far more flexibly. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 11:41
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You reload every time one of your Creations is killed? That's a rather silly strategy. I know that you're trying to buff up their levels, but I've found it highly impractical. Given that you're gradually increasing your Shaping skills throughout the game, it's better to just replace weaker creations with Drayks/Wingbolts. A lifecrafter is dead easy, if you don't coddle your creations. You don't make creations in order to protect them... you make creations so that they will protect you. I can just imagine Slarty Smirnoff the comedian: "In your Geneforge game, your creations protect you. But in my game, you protect your creations!" [ Wednesday, March 28, 2007 17:57: Message edited by: Suspicious Vlish ] -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 | Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 15:35
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I'm baised towards being the lifecrafter/shaper. Just because I like controling huge unstopable armies and a slight god complex. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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Too Sexy for my Title
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 16:07
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Isn't the Infiltrator the GF4 version of the Agent?. I've always gone for the Agent even though I think the Lifecrafter has more power. I just can't see myself playing as one. Let along as a Guardian (Soldier). I did try playing as a Lifecrafter on GF2, but I don't really depend on creations and barely use them at all so I went back to my Agent. [ Wednesday, March 28, 2007 16:10: Message edited by: M. ] Posts: 1035 | Registered: Friday, April 1 2005 08:00 |
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Councilor
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 16:41
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I prefer using a shock trooper, but I don't have any objective reason for it. Well, except that I don't mess around with magic in the Geneforge Series much. Dikiyoba reloads after creation death as well. The creations protect you, you protect the creations, and it all works out. Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 17:46
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Dikiyoba: quote:At least the shock trooper is better than infilitrator or servile. quote:That's your loss. Magic tends to be far more effective than missiles. quote:You shape creations for battle, and then protect them? That's contradictory. Leveling up creations may be effective for the upper tiers which will not be reabsorbed (Drayks, Rotgroths, and Wingbolts). But leveling up a fyora or artila is pure madness. I tend to reabsorb my creations before receiving any quest experience. This results in a high level shaper with powerful, fresh creations. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 | Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00 |
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Councilor
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 18:23
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Originally by Waylander: quote:I honestly admit that I play for fun and that fun does not equal pure power or optimization for me. So it's no loss at all. quote:Not really, since I'm fighting right alongside them. When one starts getting hit too badly, I step forward to take a blow while I heal it, and they take a few blows in battles where I start getting overwhelmed. quote:But it's fun! :P (And yes, Dikiyoba edited the script so Salassar never damaged himself for that battle.) Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 19:21
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Wow, you must really suck. Anyone who spends the entire game leveling up a fyora, and who also refers to themselves in third person, is obviously an inferior specimen. [ Wednesday, March 28, 2007 19:22: Message edited by: Suspicious Vlish ] -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 | Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 19:51
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Be nice. :( -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 20:00
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I'll have to send my "sucky" Infiltrator out to teach you a lesson, if you don't stop picking on perfectly polite, reasonable, and intelligent people. >:P -S- -------------------- A4 Items • A4 Singleton • G4 Items • G4 Forging • G4 Infiltrator • NR Items • The Lonely Celt Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 20:20
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Your sucky infiltrator doesn't scare me any more than Dicky's fyora. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 | Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 20:28
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THAT'S what this series needs: "Geneforge Arena," in which you can send in your suckiest PC's to fight someone else's sucky PC's and see whose really IS suckiest. I'll have Jeff get right on that. -S- -------------------- A4 Items • A4 Singleton • G4 Items • G4 Forging • G4 Infiltrator • NR Items • The Lonely Celt Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 20:33
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quote:What are you talking about? None of those (excluding myself) are present on this forum. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 | Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 21:07
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Synergy just said "Geneforge Arena". ... -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Friday, March 30 2007 03:55
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Won't be possible to do. Solo'er will always act first (well, unless he's real idiot) and focus lifecrafter's own body. then it gonan be a matter of pure balance: can Infi finish Shaper first move first round? can then all shaper's creations finish Infi in one collective strike? (I am 100% confident that second turn's Agent attacks WILL kill shaper) -------------------- "At ease, guys, it's just some nonsence green wingbolt..." - Guardian Kantor, Shaper infiltrator forces, last words. Posts: 36 | Registered: Sunday, March 4 2007 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Friday, March 30 2007 03:58
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Just to add to the matter of creatures death: I prefer runnign a small party of "serious" guys, e.g. leveled with essence. it takes almost the same ... "qualification" to get any1 of'em killed as to die yourself then. BTW I do prefer solo strats too. The problem is a common "munchkin's" FunVsEfficency thing imho. [ Friday, March 30, 2007 04:16: Message edited by: Acidic Helixbolt ] -------------------- "At ease, guys, it's just some nonsence green wingbolt..." - Guardian Kantor, Shaper infiltrator forces, last words. Posts: 36 | Registered: Sunday, March 4 2007 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Monday, April 2 2007 19:39
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I just finished first playthrough with a solo Infiltrator(agent), as per all the prior games. I did have to adapt a few new strategies, but they were both fun and effective when I had them figured out. Taking apart Titan was easy enough, and finishing off the invading shapers solo, and without reloading or going back for rejuve pools, was pretty satisfying. I agree that daze is nerfed; it becomes obsolete to the redundant 'major daze' spell rather than gain in power with points spent in mental. This was not an imaginative use of a spell slot. But that's probably what those shapers go through when they have to say goodbye to their initial critter investments for the buff new models as they become available, rather than the later power developing on the earlier. Posts: 42 | Registered: Thursday, March 31 2005 08:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Monday, April 2 2007 20:00
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quote:How was the fyora in battle? Posts: 701 | Registered: Thursday, November 30 2006 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Monday, April 2 2007 21:26
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Finished the game with a warrior and a life crafter. Lifecrafters are WAY more powerful. One thing that really made me love lifecrafters are the essence pools. Essence pools make even pyroroamers useful :) u can send those things out 7 at a time to take care of anything, and essence pools call for an occasion to spawn those charged creations. I know I know warriors can do this too but something about beefing those creations up to the max b4 sending them out and making so many of them...it feels great. Even wile playing on torment it is easy Just hold your PC back and let your creations do everything if they die chug a few essence pods and make more. If you are having ANY difficulties with a lifecrafter it is probably because you are not using essence shield or you have moral issues with sending your creations to their doom just to soften up the enemy for a brand new wave. Posts: 89 | Registered: Wednesday, March 15 2006 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Monday, April 2 2007 23:12
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I think the problem is that some people here who have played a Lifecrafter attempted to preserve their creations, which is both irrational, and a pain in the ass. You learn better and higher level creations throughout the game, so why bother leveling up crappy creations, which also steal a share of EXP gained? -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 | Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Monday, April 2 2007 23:58
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They're probably rebels. All concerned with the 'rights' of their creations and not sending them to be killed in purposeless battle. Posts: 22 | Registered: Tuesday, March 4 2003 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Tuesday, April 3 2007 03:37
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I find that suicide squads, while effective, get boring quick. Posts: 37 | Registered: Tuesday, March 27 2007 07:00 |
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Councilor
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written Tuesday, April 3 2007 07:06
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Originally by Stillness: quote:I only improved my fyora that much for the purpose of that battle, and it was rather ridiculous in length. The fyora could only do 60-80 in (melee) damage per attack (but it was hasted, so it got two attacks) and Salassar couldn't hit it very often, so it was mostly just sitting back and chipping away at his health. The fyora wouldn't be able to take down Salassar on torment but it can do it consistently on normal. Mostly Dikiyoba just wanted to see if it was possible. Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Tuesday, April 3 2007 07:16
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I like the infiltrator and servile the best, basically because I like to play solo and think of myself as one man (or woman) against the world. Having to sneak around and pick off enemies one by one isn't tedious, it's fun. Sneaking and stealthing are by far the most fun components of Geneforge. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
