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The only way to curb growth is to decrease population. With increasing demand for limited resources it is very likely that there will be a corrective reduction in world population.
We already have a process for population reduction in place. It's called limited wars. This produces minor reductions in population in third world countries where we don't care about them. Look at Iraq, Africa, revolutions in small Asian countries and see how we are decreasing those areas. Starvation from food supply disruptions are a bonus.

I'm not so sure that wars are sufficient to curb our population (conventional ones anyway). If you chart WW 1 and WW 2, the two bloodiest wars in recent times, barely dented human population growth at best.

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Dikiyoba: Recently some scientists were considering the viability of attacking an incoming asteroid with a nuclear weapon. Their conclusion was that the sort of nuclear force needed to obliterate a large asteroid (assuming the asteroid wasn't clastic, meaning we'd end up with not just one large but a whole bunch of small asteroids heading straight for us) would require a nuclear bomb so extraordinarily immense that -- regardless of the problems of getting it off the ground -- it would pose a far, far greater threat to the world than it was worth trying to build in case of an incoming asteroid. Needless to say, the idea was scrapped immediately.

Sometimes it actually pays to watch television.

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Few ideas I head NASA passing around if something ever happen would involve knowing 20 years head of time.
One involves painting one side white effecting the way it asorbed and remitted radition.
Another involves putting a satillite in orbit of it and use the satilites gravity to move pull the asteriod away.
The third I heard of is to put a drill which removes mass from the asteroid and throwing it into space. The force of the mass being thrown off would slowly change the asteroids trajectory.

However all these methods would require us knowing years ahead of time. If we found out a couple months from now we would be screwed.

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I read an article a week or so ago about how a 15 megaton nuke was used on abandoned atoll and left a 1.2 mile wide crater that was over 200 feet deep. Now to main question I doubt nukes could destroy humanity at most it would cause society to collapse.

I think most likely cause of our destruction will be our exponentially increasing demand for resources. Even if we where to replace fossil fuels (which I agree needs to be done) we would out grow that source of fuel in couple of generations at most. The only real way to solve is to for us to stop/reverse the growth in the demand for resources.

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I use linux

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Thats close to a lot of exam for me a couple of weeks later would be good for me

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Then why does my grandfather put donkeys i n his pasture to keep coyotes away?
If anything that only proves his point. Donkeys being strong enough to be on their on.

Besides, near every animal has a predator. Just because an animal can be hunted down and killed doesn't mean it can't survive on its own. Quite the contrary, actually.

He put the donkeys in there to protect the cows and according to Wikipedia donkeys can't reproduce. People who keep cows and other livestock grow the great pains to protect them from preadtors, illness, and walking out in the middle of the road and getting hit by a car ect.

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Well, I don't think one person is supposed to finish the can all by himself. The can doesn't lend itself very well to being resealed though. Probably the best thing to do would have been to fry/prepare the rest of it and save it in the fridge.

Are cows so helpless? Given that most of their natural predators have been eliminated, I would imagine unfenced cows would do okay for themselves. Wasn't it the case that years before settlers in Australia made it over/through the Blue Mountains, some of their stray livestock had made it through?

Then why does my grandfather put donkeys i n his pasture to keep coyotes away?

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I live in Louisiana, It rarely snows and sticks. It roughly sticks about once every 10 years and thats usually one of the coldest days in winter) needless to say when we got several inches of snow in the middle of March it caused me to question global warming. No one I know of know of it snowing in Louisiana in March.

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This would be great if it isn't an April Fool's joke(though I strongly suspect it is).

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And that's what I found odd about the Mona Lisa, that its subject is simply sitting still and staring at the viewer, but looks so natural doing it. It made me feel something was missing in most other paintings, something I hadn't missed before. Those other painted people just don't look so real. Their artists have managed to paint the shape of a human being, but have fallen short of capturing some array of subtle cues that register a real person on our attention. Leonardo seems to have gotten this, at least for this one pose and in this one painting, five hundred years ago.

I myself know next to nothing about art but I do know the human have some of the most complex facial expressions dedicating more muscles to control those expressions then any other animal I know of. This doesn't included that we also give signals in the way we carry ourself. Based on what you just said, my guess is that most artists just can't copy this level of complexity.

[ Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:43: Message edited by: Safey ]

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I say right now the Drakons and Shapers are about morally equal. However due the drakons main method of gaining survival/wining/gaining power involves increasing their level of arrogance,insanity and distancing them selfs from the the original rebel values of freedom, to me means the drakons will morally only get worse. The shaper main strategy to win however is to loosen their laws and become more tolerant in some areas to undermine the rebellion will help morally improve them.

In a rebel ending I wouldn't put it pass the shapers to sign treaties with creations that are fed up with the drakons allowing them some creation rights in order to undermine the rebellion.

In summary the longer this war goes on the more tolerant the shapers get and the crazier drakons and their isn't much left of the human side of the rebellion to speak of.

[ Tuesday, March 25, 2008 22:50: Message edited by: Safey ]

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Can't we all just be nice? I personally like the new titles, but that might be because I'm a genoforge fan.

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Originally written by Frozen Feet:

Not really; just think carefully what kind of a character you will make. I think we have enough outsiders now, so it'd be good if your character was one of the villagers.
I have been throwing around a few ideas as to character to use. I think when come up with something more definite I all ask for a few opinions on it before I go all out on it.

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Goldenking: While I respect and agree with your ideas on the difference between the Human and Drakon sides of the Rebellion, it's effectively moot; the Human side has been all but wiped out, and the Drakon side is pretty much all that's left of the Rebellion. Without the Drakons, there's no Rebellion. Which is sad, since they decided to leave the rest of the Rebellion out to rot.
Nuh-uh!

According to the Endgame text, the Rebel army moves to retake Illya when the Unbound are released without a hitch. The Rebel Army is Human, Servile, and a few Drayks, and even the game says the Drakons had withdrawn as they were, "Maddened by their losses..." I see no reason why the Rebel Line of Demarcation wouldn't hold true still.

Besides, even if the Drakons did take over completely, they'd be easy to overthrow.

It only takes one man to plant a flag with the unbound attacking the shapers it wouldn't take much of an army to retake Illya. According to in game text the human rebels had been taking heavy causalities and losses in resources for years, possibly a decade. You don't over come those kinda of losses in a day. Maybe the unbound will allow them recoup those losses in time but at the moment the human rebellion is little more then show.

[ Monday, March 10, 2008 22:09: Message edited by: Safey ]

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I agree with Lepus on the Genocide thing. its not genocide to kill your enemies, even if they are all the same race
Or nationality. Or political opinion. The Shapers fall under both, and lets not kid ourselves, the Rebels aren't targeting people because they're enemies. The Shapers are being targeted because they're just that: Shapers. That is genocide.

To be fair the actual shapers are a government organization that is heavily geared towards military if you where to rebel against that government, government/military officials would be fair game.

However what I have against the drakons is that they order the unbound to destroy everything they see. Not only does that kill alot of innocent people but its also counter productive, (those unbound didn't seem to bright). Say for example you get one that takes the term everything a little bit to literal. You have any idea how much it be slowed down destroying every tree and rock between two villages.

Second their a significant amount of innocent people who in no way economically or military support the shapers yet would dwell with them. Their called refugees. Imagine by the point in the war their will be large amount of refugees who have fled the war areas.

Did they really have to order them to destroy all life? Why not just say target Shaper forces? I mean it would be quite humorous watching an unbound destroying every tree between two village if it took a very broad term of the word(unbound don't come across as being to bright), but I'm not sure thats what drakons wanted exactly.

Thirdly how many drayks/drakons does it take to screw in a light bulb? Do they seriously need the combined resources of both races to work on the unbound? Greta seems to think that they have large numbers of both just lying around. If they had at least sent more drayks to battle they might not have had to worry about the tribe of cryo-drayks rebelling. The shapers may be arrogant and it might be possible to get a few who are as arrogant as the drakon average but most are humble in comparison to the drakons ex:

Drakon1: We lost a battle.
Drakon2: Blame it on the humans
Drakon1: Then what?
Drakon2: We will pull our troops back let the humans fight the shapers alone, stop maintaining the geneforges and put all our resources into building a new super weapon even thought the first one didn't seem that effective.
Drakon1:sounds good

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Is it too late to jump in?

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Originally written by Xel'Raga:

With geneforge texts, you don't want to hear Norse-Heavy metal while you read how you will attack a shaper, and on a second point, it just doesn't seem his style.
Could it fade out of turn off when text comes up?

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The reason why I believe the drakons are doing this more out of vengeance then a scorch earth policy. A scorch earth policy is something you do in lands you can't hold for long. If your going to be in area for a while your going to want to make some attempt to preserve resources. The drakons completely leveled Dhonal Keep and the surrounding town. Why? That is in territory that remains in rebel control even if you take the most pro shaper ending possible. Why not take the fort and make it your own? No they did it out of vengeance. Same thing for Poryhphra, that another city that comes firmly under rebel control but they still have some strange urge to level it completely.

Lets apply this to your humans combating the alien menace. I defeat the aliens and destroy most of their ships and even manage to capture one their ships. Out of vengeance I destroy the ship instead of try to reverse engineer it.

Now you can make justifications for the Drakons creations of the unbound and their whole sale destruction of both shaper and outside, but my point is that the Drakons have razed cities too the ground when they didn't have too(when they where wining). I'll even argue that the two examples I gave you it would have been advantageous for them not too. Also Greta made commit to the effect that large number of drayks and drakons where sitting around doing nothing while a war was going on.

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I put forward that after the rebellion started to lose the war they effectively abandon the human/servile, so the could blame for failure would be shifted away from them. So instead they decided to make the unbound which they think will win the war. They get to claim all the credit, with out all the effort of having large armies on the borders fight grueling campaigns like the human counterparts, and set themselves up as the rulers. I argue if they given more support to human half instead of their own wretched scheming (against their own allies no less) they wouldn't have need the unbound.

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one thing I like to be able to do is to shape a creation and then release it.

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Most Creations are made so that can't reproduce but shapers make exceptions when it suits them and rebels to my knowledge never followed by that rule in the first place

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Did we stop making nukes after WW2? The shapers getting more liberal is a several century trend the ending of the war is simply a set back. If the war goes on long enough then the conservative shapers won't have the might to make things harsher. This why I can understand the trakovites have a temporary victory. This war increases the powers of the moderate shapers while decreaseing the power of the moderate rebels.
What does making nukes after WWII have to do with anything?

The point is you have no proof that the Drakons will stop makeing unbound after the war is over. They will mostly likely keep them around to enforce their own rule.

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Will one thing I noticed is the longer this war goes on the more of the original values both sides have to give. So theoretically if the war goes on long enough their idealogical could reverse.

Also to note the shapers have been loosening their laws for centuries, admittedly very slowly. When you go to the abandon fighting arena on Sucia Isle your character makes a comment that the shapers have long forbidden this barbaric practice. So I put forward the shapers would have grown more liberal as time progressed without the war. The war only speed up things.

The War's effects only go on as long as the war does. In the Shaper ending, they crack down immensely, and the creations are even worse off than before.

And I highly doubt the Rebels are going to continue launching wave after wave of Unbound if they win. The Drakons don't like being with the "inferior" sides of the Rebellion, meaning that the Serviles, Drakons, Drayks, and Humans would all form into different countries, with Humans and Serviles sticking together, and the Drayks having a few citizens in the Human/Servile Nation.

Of course, that's basically speculation.

Did we stop making nukes after WW2? The shapers getting more liberal is a several century trend the ending of the war is simply a set back. If the war goes on long enough then the conservative shapers won't have the might to make things harsher. This why I can understand the trakovites have a temporary victory. This war increases the powers of the moderate shapers while decreaseing the power of the moderate rebels.

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Will one thing I noticed is the longer this war goes on the more of the original values both sides have to give. So theoretically if the war goes on long enough their idealogical could reverse.

Also to note the shapers have been loosening their laws for centuries, admittedly very slowly. When you go to the abandon fighting arena on Sucia Isle your character makes a comment that the shapers have long forbidden this barbaric practice. So I put forward the shapers would have grown more liberal as time progressed without the war. The war only speed up things.

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That's all true, except ... except ...

The appealingly reasonable moderate Shapers are a nice coat of paint on the bars of a cage. The cage won't break without violence. How many centuries of slavery does it take to outweigh a year of war?

And the Drakons aren't? As of now you can't choose the human rebellions without choosing the Drakons.

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I'm not completely opposed to a free health care. To get a system on that scale to work would not necessarily have the degree of success wanted and there are rarely any easy answers.

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