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Ideologies of Geneforge (4) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #89
Can anyone provide quotes of shaper oppression of humans? They don’t rescue them sometimes, but that’s not really oppression. A human can’t start a fight with a shaper and expect to get the same punishment as fighting a normal human, but same goes in any liberal country if you fight a policeman. There are restrictions on freedom of speech, but even USA has restrictions and that’s like…the FIRST amendment. Shapers put down riots THE SAME WAY ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD DOES. With force.

I am by no means trying to say that shapers are good. Odds are that if I lived in Geneforge world I would ***** about shapers day and night, I don’t however think they are bad enough to start a HUGE war over.

Everything written above is only true if you are a human. Yes I would fight tooth and nail if I was a drakon and odds are I would send out the unbound way before they did.
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Ideologies of Geneforge (4) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Warrior
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Profile #44
I am making an assumption here so please don’t flame me. If Greta survives she will remember the battles with Shaper Monarch and the chances of shaping art being available to everyone will start to change fast. Or she doesn’t survive and the drakons will have to deal with several Shaper Monarch wanabees and quickly change the laws.

I didn’t pick this up from the story line so perhaps some one here can help me out. If the rebellion really is all about shaping being available to every one. Why wasnt every human in the base trained to use the geneforge?

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Ideologies of Geneforge (4) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Warrior
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Profile #41
quote:
Shapers represent order at the expense of freedom. Rebels represent freedom at the expense of order.
The rebellion no longer represents freedom.
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Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #425
I have only played G3 and G4 so I need to ask a question. Has anyone ever reshaped themselves to appear different? Or can they only make them selves stronger and bigger? I am kind of curious if the drakons can give them selves hands because if they can’t that sort of is a major flaw.
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Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #423
But emp we don’t know this. Yes we are almost certain that drakons would have more problems then humans, but we don’t know it would be that bad. Eventually a drakon or two will figure out that if they start up a farm they can sell the food at high prices and build up their hoard or something like that. Now about bolts…..can’t they just reshape them selves? It won’t be the first time.
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Ideologies of Geneforge (4) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Warrior
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Profile #24
I know that’s what she says now i am wondering if she would have switched sides at the beginning if she knew that unbound would be needed only for the SURVIVAL of the rebellion, not even a victory.

She has no choice now she is considered as bad as a drakon and that is pretty much the whole point of people who are disappointed in the rebels after G4. The rebels were always controversial, but they had a clear cut mission to free the world from shaper oppression. After the unbound who will see the rebels as liberators? True rebels have killed innocent bystanders before and that is an unfortunate reality of any war, but this is completely different. The strategy the rebels have chosen makes civilians prime targets.

The thread is about ideologies and the only ideology I now see in the rebels is the doctrine to keep forces on the mainland at all cost.
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Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #421
I think shapers would keep their words IF they did ally with drayka, but I highly doubt they would ever consider it. They might team up with an individual drayk, but to ally with a drayk tribe or two…you seriously think that’s possible?
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Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #419
How many shapers switched over to the rebellions side? I consider that evidence of an internal strife. Yes Alwan accepts your character no matter what he/she is but can you imagine the shapers counsel accepting a few hundred drayks as allies?
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Ideologies of Geneforge (4) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #21
Suspicious Vlish do you think the rebellion is staying true to the ideas that set it in motion? Rebellions ideology as I remember was to free creations and people from shaper oppression. What is it now?

Would Litalia switch sides if she knew that the rebellion would have to resort to something like unbound? Just your opinion.

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Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #417
A lot is being said about drakons being left by other rebel divisions, but not all drayks are rebelling and lets look at shapers and you will see the very same internal rebellion.

This rebellion however is where drakons are superior. There is no way in hell shapers will team up with the drayks but drakons teamed up with rebel humans.
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Best PC class? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Warrior
Member # 6912
Profile #44
Finished the game with a warrior and a life crafter. Lifecrafters are WAY more powerful.
One thing that really made me love lifecrafters are the essence pools. Essence pools make even pyroroamers useful :) u can send those things out 7 at a time to take care of anything, and essence pools call for an occasion to spawn those charged creations. I know I know warriors can do this too but something about beefing those creations up to the max b4 sending them out and making so many of them...it feels great.

Even wile playing on torment it is easy Just hold your PC back and let your creations do everything if they die chug a few essence pods and make more.

If you are having ANY difficulties with a lifecrafter it is probably because you are not using essence shield or you have moral issues with sending your creations to their doom just to soften up the enemy for a brand new wave.
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Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #370
If we are going to talk about evolution then I want to make a statement that drakons did not evolve over 20 years. They started out with the first shaped creation and as the skill of the shapers increased they were created. I phrased this very poorly but I hope I made my point.

Both sides need to learn how to concede otherwise this will never end.

Unbound vs variety: its all about the tactics you are using I think this is a perfect tie. There is no point for drakons to invest in precession strikes their targets are HUGE.

From what I saw in the game shapers and drakons have virtually identical shaping abilities, but shapers might be slightly winning because they are producing the same results with restrictions.

I think the argument that Drakons are superior fighters is not valid….hear me out. Drakons are all reshaped so we must compare their physical and magical properties to fully reshaped shapers and it seems that it’s about even. If u strip a drakon of all the reshaping what would it be?

One argument to make the drakons look inferior is also not valid. The argument was that drakons don’t work or at least don’t work as much as the other creations. It is a war! You will make the best fighters warriors and the worst ones farmers and workers.

We keep using unbound as an ultimate achievement of the drakons so I want every one arguing to answer this question If the shapers wanted to, could they have made the unbound? Please answer this question so that we can stop using them as some sort of an achievement for the drakons. If you think the shapers couldn’t I would like to hear the argument. Otherwise lets please stop using them as some sort of an accomplishment that was beyond the shapers. We can argue that it was a brilliant tactical move by the drakons but that’s another argument.

From all the arguments that I’ve read most end up being perfect ties. There are a few very minor victories and in my eyes shapers are winning but not by much. Hopefully geneforge 5 will shed more light on this question my money is still on the fact that it’s a tie and that Jeff wanted it that way.
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Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Warrior
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Profile #334
quote:
On a side not, Diki pointed out that Barzahl was canister enlightened, and therefore was not just any human. I suppose we should address this. Are we talking about pure humans versus pure drakons here?...
I thought that drakons were shaped drykes in which case there is no such thing is a "pure" drakon. Considering that drakons constantly reshape themselves i think it's fair to compare them to shapers that have been altered.
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Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #316
I always thought it was a tie. Each side fights for different moral principles and each side has pros and cons that pretty much balance each other out. However, after geneforge 4 I feel that the drakons are now just fighting for their survival and not their ideology. They are destroying creations, serviles and humans that they set out to free from shaper rule. Shapers are also becoming more loose with their laws and drakons are becoming more brutal. After the unbound I wouldn’t be surprised if the human/servile side of the rebellion defected. Think about it, would the general human population ever willingly submit to the rebellion after the unbound? This means that if the Drakons want to win they will have to become just as oppressive as the shapers.
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Beta Call for Exodus in Blades of Avernum
Warrior
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Profile #120
how do i get into the library in the Possanatheon (i think thats right)
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im new -help me with Bahssikava in Blades of Avernum
Warrior
Member # 6912
Profile #22
How does that part of the scenario work if you have a singleton party?

edit: the charming part not the mirror part

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Beta Call for Exodus in Blades of Avernum
Warrior
Member # 6912
Profile #68
Name by which you'd liked to be credited: rantalot

E-mail address: ezupk1@aol.com

Operating system (Mac, Windows, etc.): windows XP

Are there extra features if Bashikova is the last scenario your party finishes??? If so I should start on beating it again.
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The Afterlife in General
Warrior
Member # 6912
Profile #46
quote:
Originally written by Nyarlathotep:

quote:
Originally written by rantalot:

hunt my self some krauts
Hey!

I'd be offended if your spelling and grammar weren't so ridiculous. :P

Sorry, I didn’t learn English in a very traditional way and it shows.
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Question 1: Energy in General
Warrior
Member # 6912
Profile #8
quote:
Originally written by Randomizer:

Brazil built up ethanol fuels for cars by subsidizing the industry for years so energy and auto manufacturs were assured that a market would exist. By the time the Brazilian government could no longer afford to subsidize it, the infrastructure was in place. Companies could make ethanol cheap enough to beat gasoline prices and there were enough flex fuel cars to use it.

It's a pity that we don't do it. Detroit is building flex fuel cars and trucks, but outside of the midwest and northeast there aren't many places to buy it.

Reuseable resource fuels will save on transportation costs to get to remote areas. I wouldn't mind the computer powered by cranking it for a few minutes at a time instead of line current.

It seems so odd that we have the ability to grow something that is almost like oil and we don’t. This could give countries a strategic advantage. Germany had huge problems due its lack of oil during the later parts of WW2. I would think that the military divisions of countries would be all over this new technology.
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The Afterlife in General
Warrior
Member # 6912
Profile #18
quote:
Originally written by *i:

Yes, the question was an ideal afterlife. However, my questions are a bit deeper as to what would the nature of an afterlife be. Dream as I want, I'd find it more interesting to discuss meaningless hypotheticals on what the afterlife could be like.
This is way too difficult considering we don’t have anything to relate it too. I guess it would be something made completely out of some form of strange energy nothing of matter present. Some sort of telepathic communication capability perhaps ability to generate energy like radio waves. Ok u see this is the problem I am trying to use science to explain this stuff and for all we know this might take place in a parallel universe where the laws of everything are totally different. So it can be anything!!! No one can make a statement that will seem more probable than another.
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Question 1: Energy in General
Warrior
Member # 6912
Profile #4
Nuclear power (electricity)

Hydrogen engines, alcohol engine (fuel)

Edit:I don’t think the problem is hogging it all(well it is but that’s 2 human to stop). I think the goal should be more to base our selves on abundant safe to use resources. Particularly ditching petroleum and coal. Hydrogen is in huge abundance and unfortunately so is uranium and plutonium.

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The Afterlife in General
Warrior
Member # 6912
Profile #16
quote:
Originally written by *i:

If an afterlife did exist, I doubt it would be anything like we could experience here on Earth. Would we even have a body or form? Or would we be an ethereal being that could interact with the material world? How would information be transmitted from one being to another? Would there even be light or sound (in other words are there electromagnetic waves or molecules to transmit vibrations)?

I would say it would be so radically different that I doubt we even have mechanisms for understanding. The words to describe such things would not exist.

I thought this was more about what you want it to be….isn’t it??? So don’t write about what you think it will be like and write about what u want it to be like.
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The Afterlife in General
Warrior
Member # 6912
Profile #14
Why do u guys want a computer? You can wish for anything you want. Instead of playing an adventurer you can be an adventurer. Instead playing around with on army on the screen you can lead the army in person. You can fly any jet you want in a dog fight!!! Some of you might say that being an adventurer would be a pain kos of the long traveling distances but this is your fantasy just wish for a teleported to anywhere or an uber fast horse. Hell I would defiantly load up and hunt my self some krauts and if I shell be mortally wounded I would just reappear and do it all over again.
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The Afterlife in General
Warrior
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Profile #12
Ideal after life…hmmm. All my fantasies coming to life good ones and very very dark ones. I want all of my questions about the universe answered (if the answer is 42 I am gona be pissed) I want to know everything there is to know about everything remotely interesting to me. After everything becomes boring I want my memory wiped clean, sent to earth (reincarnate as a normal non dysfunctional person) and do it all again. When I die again I should not remember about what happened b4 I was reborn so I can ask the same questions over and over again for all eternity and be entertained.
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Earth Day (belated) in General
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Profile #15
Nuclear power does seem like an untapped potential. I was told that more people died on oil related accidents than Chernobyl but that’s just something I heard from a not such a reliable source.

I have mixed feelings about pollution. I am against stiff domestic laws on pollution I think those things need to be international. It will always be unfair to some country but that seems to be inevitable no matter what you do. Should be along the lines of an X amount of pollution per square mile of your territory. (trade embargos and naval blockades should be used for violators) I agree this will screw over a lot of underdeveloped countries and help countries you have a ton of land (Russia, Canada) but of all the things I can think of this seems the fairest. (Perhaps this can be balanced out by a country giving up some of its pollution potential to another the main point is not go beyond a certain limit talk about an economy boost for Canada if it starts to sell it hehe) This only goes for air pollution by the way

My problem with domestic laws is that it doesn’t solve anything. We live in a world where a business can move to another country and all you have done is lost jobs and money that your country would have had originally.
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