A hypothetical scenario
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Agent
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written Sunday, January 7 2007 01:42
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The SA focused its actions on the socialists and communists. Hitler still won out against the centrist and conservative parties in a democratic election. At any rate, the whole situation is much more complicated than to be merely dismissed as "a popular misconception". -------------------- "I can't read this thread with that image. But then, that's not a complaint." -Scorpius Geneforge 4 stuff. Also, everything I know about Avernum | Avernum 2 | Avernum 3 | Avernum 4 Posts: 1104 | Registered: Monday, March 10 2003 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Sunday, January 7 2007 01:50
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Mica: quote:I don't care who he focused against (although he did focus on the Communist party, which was quite popular at the time). The fact still remains that the intimidation, abduction and murder of political opponents perverted the democratic process. The moment political opponents are manhandled, is the moment that democracy ceases to exist. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 | Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00 |
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written Sunday, January 7 2007 07:34
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Edit: Never mind. [ Sunday, January 07, 2007 07:53: Message edited by: Micawber. ] -------------------- "I can't read this thread with that image. But then, that's not a complaint." -Scorpius Geneforge 4 stuff. Also, everything I know about Avernum | Avernum 2 | Avernum 3 | Avernum 4 Posts: 1104 | Registered: Monday, March 10 2003 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Sunday, January 7 2007 07:50
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The white government enslaving me in the slave scenario might be the indigenous government, but it wouldn't be my indigenous government. I would be from Africa, right? The point is, the situation involves is more closely related to a foreign invasion than a civil war. I'll meet you half way on the point that different strata can be like foreigners to each other. This may be true, but when it comes to strategy used against them, I don't think you can be as harsh when trying to form a new government entirely (American Revolution, Shaper War) as you can when trying to restore the old one that has been brought down (Japanese Invasion, French Resistance). Can we agree on that? quote:Oh, so now your no longer saying that humans are brutally repressed under Shaper rule? Fair enough. In that case, I'll meet you half way again. The humans are more likely to align with the Shapers (because conditions just aren't that bad), and the creations more likely to go rebel. Since American's are more likely to go American in your scenario and they represent the rebellion, I guess creations would therefore be the best group to look at, point taken. quote:This changed the scenario entirely again. As I said before, there is a huge difference between living as a slave and simply living under a repressive government. As a matter of fact, can you give me your definition of slave? Mine is 'a person who is the property of another.' I don't think we have the same definition, unless Japan went and set up auction blocks across the continent. quote:Since your going to try and claim that the Shapers are directly responsible for the rebellion, I'll point out that there was, in fact, an external foe involved in the process... Trajkov. Remember him? quote:On that note, I am afraid I may have to step out of this discussion. There is much evidence in Geneforge 4 that would easily refute the things you are saying. But if you prefer that I not bring any of that into account, I suppose that is your right. Just let me say that things are quite the opposite of what you assume. You underestimate the power of the Shapers, and you overestimate the sanity of rebellion. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, January 7 2007 12:53
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Shapers where are not that repressive. As long as you don't try to pratice magic without their say so and give them a grudeing amount of respect the will pretty much leave you a lone that even goes for serviles although beate to a much lesser extent. I beleive the pre war shaper goverment is more like European union. The have a procudure for everything and if you don't respect that you get some absurd taxs/fines. The japaness and the germans didn't leave people alone. Read up on the rape of manchuria and the holocost. Nazi concentration camps kill 1 out of 5 prisoners if the head warren was in a bad mood and the guards were allowed to beat up random prisoners. The pre war shapers were never that bad. I never played Geneforge 4 so I can't say what desperation drove them too. The drakon allaince is trying to set up their own empire, which war world 2 resitance wanted that. The minor WW 2 faction that comes to mind is the middle eastern tribes but they have a lot of quailties simlar to drakons anyways. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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Canned
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written Friday, January 12 2007 10:18
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And as you see in that case gypsies and jews are similar to the drakons being pescuded in a close maner that the nazis did, making the world a dangerous place for the scape goats but even if the shapers had a good reson they can't have the right to kill hunderds of millions of their creations : they are thier creators therefore they must take care of thier tools and not destroy them . -------------------- You can jump off a bridge, fire a gun in your mouth, drink poison,or going in to the tiger's pit but you will still end up dead it's a mater of time and how . Posts: 312 | Registered: Sunday, November 26 2006 08:00 |