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Please Help Me Experienced Editors... in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Wednesday, September 8 2004 11:59 Profile Homepage #6
Uh, Thuryl, that's not possible. One can reuse the creature numbers (like, say, 239 in the example above). It would look like this.

begindefinecreature 239;
import = 47;
begindefinecreature 47; // Wight
cr_level = 52;
cr_hp_bonus = 100;
cr_summon_class = 8;

begindefinecreature 239;
import = 48;
begindefinecreature 48; // Ghost
cr_level = 58;
cr_hp_bonus = 100;
cr_natural_armor = 40;

begindefinecreature 239;
import = 49;
begindefinecreature 49; // Lich
cr_level = 60;
cr_amount_stat_adjust 0 = 20; // Magery
cr_amount_stat_adjust 1 = 30; // Mage Spells


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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Newbie... in General
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Wednesday, September 8 2004 00:44 Profile Homepage #56
I've always thought of Drakefyre as sort of evil, malevolent, power-mad, and psychotic. Not that that's a bad thing, really. I kind of think the same thing about Imban, and I have a great deal of respect for the both of them.

But yeah. There's a spirit of the CoC as well as the letter of the law, and violating that can result in Canning, I believe. (EDIT: Well, Drakey elaborated above as I was writing this.)

And WBS (as you have surely already been coined, Wham Bam), it's good to see that you aren't discouraged by topic hijacking. Yes, you are welcome here, and if you haven't already been there, I encourage you to go check out the home of pretty much all serious BoE-related material, the Lyceum, particularly the Comprehensive Scenario Rankings. Post what you think of scenarios there; it's always good to have a fresh voice to let us know what others think makes a good scenario.

[ Wednesday, September 08, 2004 00:46: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

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Please Help Me Experienced Editors... in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Wednesday, September 8 2004 00:30 Profile Homepage #1
Look at the "advanced" trick for changing the default creatures. If you want to fix vampires so they don't summon themselves in your scenario, for instance, you can use this code (assuming that you place it earlier in the data script than when you define creature 239 for your scen, if you use this creature):

begindefinecreature 239;
import = 87;
begindefinecreature 87; // Vampire
cr_summon_class = -1;
This changes vampires so that they cannot be summoned. Same concept applies to changing any of the other default creatures.

[ Wednesday, September 08, 2004 00:30: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Please Help Me Experienced Editors... in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Wednesday, September 8 2004 00:30 Profile Homepage #1
Look at the "advanced" trick for changing the default creatures. If you want to fix vampires so they don't summon themselves in your scenario, for instance, you can use this code (assuming that you place it earlier in the data script than when you define creature 239 for your scen, if you use this creature):

begindefinecreature 239;
import = 87;
begindefinecreature 87; // Vampire
cr_summon_class = -1;
This changes vampires so that they cannot be summoned. Same concept applies to changing any of the other default creatures.

[ Wednesday, September 08, 2004 00:30: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Thoroughly disgusted in Blades of Exile
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Wednesday, September 8 2004 00:24 Profile Homepage #2
I just don't have the words to express my feelings at the moment. Suffice it to say that I understand that nigh on seven years of this must have been horrendous for those who have had to endure it.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
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Graphics Wanted in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 7 2004 22:20 Profile Homepage #5
I'm really surprised no one has posted this link yet, but the place for all BoA graphics is The Louvre. It has some sliths and Empire humans for sure. Not sure about nephils. Pretty sure it does not have alternate boat graphics because, as bigblue correctly notes, there's basically no way to implement them.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Graphics Wanted in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 7 2004 22:20 Profile Homepage #5
I'm really surprised no one has posted this link yet, but the place for all BoA graphics is The Louvre. It has some sliths and Empire humans for sure. Not sure about nephils. Pretty sure it does not have alternate boat graphics because, as bigblue correctly notes, there's basically no way to implement them.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Newbie... in General
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 7 2004 06:18 Profile Homepage #31
I can only speculate on Drakey's motives, but I'd guess that "flooding" the boards is defined rather loosely and can also be done over a long period of time if the posts are stupid and annoying enough.

The difference between your posts and most of the other fairly stupid posts, FBM, is that the other stupid posts come from a variety of people (and often, even if they're stupid, they're still funny). Even if stupid topics seem to be everywhere, they were started by different people. You being annoying is pretty consistent. You have had your moments of lucidity (two, at last count, PPP2 being the more important one, and I have forgotten the other one), but they are so few and far between that "Flooding the forums with lots of topics and posts about nothing legitimate" is probably the rule that applies in this case.

EDIT: Also, hijacking a "welcome" thread is BADMEAN. :P

[ Tuesday, September 07, 2004 06:19: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Newbie... in General
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 7 2004 05:55 Profile Homepage #29
quote:
Originally written by FatBatMonkey:
Quite frankly though, if my new status is supposed to inspire me to be a goody-two-shoes, well, just give up, go home and ban me now. I'm just not going to change.
Uh, Drakey? Please? Please?

And yeah, Canning is pretty much like a scarlet A (from the book The Scarlet Letter, for those who don't know). It's sort of a warning, too, as FBM said. You get Cannned for spam. Meaningless, stupid, asinine posts will get you Canned, and thus, FBM's Canning should come as a surprise to no one.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

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Favourite SPIDWEB game in General
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 7 2004 05:49 Profile Homepage #16
BoA, BoE, the former for designing and the latter for playing. Then probably A3 and GF2 (which just shows that in the end, I'm more about gameplay than actual plot :rolleyes: ).

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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BoA... in Tech Support
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 7 2004 05:43 Profile Homepage #11
Read the rest of the error message. Put the editor inside the BoA Data folder.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
"DIALOGUE ERROR!" (UV nearly ready for beta-testing just this final error left) in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 7 2004 05:40 Profile Homepage #1
Take out the "break" calls after nodes 6 and 8.

[ Tuesday, September 07, 2004 05:40: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
"DIALOGUE ERROR!" (UV nearly ready for beta-testing just this final error left) in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 7 2004 05:40 Profile Homepage #1
Take out the "break" calls after nodes 6 and 8.

[ Tuesday, September 07, 2004 05:40: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
The boards are slowing down in General
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Monday, September 6 2004 21:23 Profile Homepage #11
Djur inspired me to post this.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Newbie... in General
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Monday, September 6 2004 21:18 Profile Homepage #21
One surefire way to earn respect is to make good Blades scenarios. Nobody messes with, say, Stareye (who you may find as *i on these boards) because he has made rockin' good BoE (and now BoA) scenarios.

Another way to earn respect is to post insightful comments into whatever discussion may be going on, and to do it consistently for a while. This is probably the most likely way to do it.

And if you have knowledge of the games, any of them, then you can post answers to newbie questions ("I killed the spiders so now I can't finish VoDT what do I do?" and such). If you do this often enough, they may even make you a mod someday. This is apparently how I got a modship over at the Avernum Trilogy and Exile Trilogy boards (in a FIT OF INSANITY by the people at the highest levels as far as I can tell).

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

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Magic and Progress in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Monday, September 6 2004 20:25 Profile Homepage #26
(Continuation of the tired old rant...)

But as far as I can tell, Aran's site makes no distinction between pure canon (straight from the games) and something as out there as Vahnatai Creationism. It doesn't cite sources or give reasons -- which are probably FAR MORE IMPORTANT than the actual history. Drakey's site is much the same.

EDIT: Bloody hell. Typo. Two, in fact.

[ Tuesday, September 07, 2004 09:36: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Magic and Progress in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Monday, September 6 2004 17:14 Profile Homepage #24
(Old, traditional rant...)

It would be nice to know what the community has decided, based on what evidence in the games, in some sort of available form. Since old threads (e-mails? IMs? chats?) have been lost, it would be a nice touch to bring together a sort of historical project for BoA.

Especially since Jeff changed the bloody dates for the Avernum universe.

I feel fairly secure in working on a scenario based in the Avernum universe that is about sliths and their history, because that hasn't been a major part of community-defined history as far as I can tell. It seems that the Empire has been the major focus.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Questions about Avernum 2 Melee Combat in The Avernum Trilogy
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Monday, September 6 2004 15:35 Profile Homepage #18
Oh right, the weapon. The char I described is using a Jade Halberd, 2-32 + 3 damage, acid-dripping. Since we're working with multipliers here (with skills and spell-ups and whatever, he does, say, 3x that damage), that's a huge difference from 2-20 + 3 flaming. The extra 12 points multiply by a significant amount.

EDIT: Also using Gauntlets of Might, Warrior's Ring, Strength Bracelet, and a few other misc items that shouldn't make a difference.

[ Monday, September 06, 2004 15:38: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Questions about Avernum 2 Melee Combat in The Avernum Trilogy
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Monday, September 6 2004 10:17 Profile Homepage #12
I'm breaking my own posts-in-a-row rule here, but meh. It's for a good cause.

I think this was a pretty decent fighter, if I remember correctly:

Strength 13
Dexterity 10
Int 3
End 12

Melee 12
Pole 10
Bows 13
Thrown 11
Hardiness 6
Defense 12
Assassination 8 (this is rather low, for me)

Mage 1 (to deflect Mung demons -- don't actually need a level in it, but I felt like it)
Priest 0
Arcane Lore 5
Potion 0

Tool Use 11
Cave Lore 5
First Aid 3 (was default -- MOST USELESS SKILL EVER)
Luck 5 (this may also affect something, not sure)

Barter 2
Find Herbs 1
Blademaster 10
Anatomy 5
Gymnastics 6
Resistance 3

Level 34

Not sure why this char is so much better -- I had no trouble finishing off dervishes just with Bless and Haste, possibly because he just about never gets hit. Other than a slightly higher Blademaster and Assassination, this seems just about the same as yours. Eh, I should probably go back and re-do some fights to see if he really is as strong as I remember, but I'm feeling lazy right now.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Questions about Avernum 2 Melee Combat in The Avernum Trilogy
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Monday, September 6 2004 10:01 Profile Homepage #10
My point was just that the way my warriors are set up, I hit the damage cap with just Bless, without Divine Warrior.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Morality in Avernum in The Avernum Trilogy
Kelandon
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 written Monday, September 6 2004 09:59 Profile Homepage #15
quote:
Originally written by Solberg the All-Powerful:
The good people should be left alone and the demons, Nephilim, Slithzerikai, and bandits should be killed.
Remember before your genocide that not all nephils or sliths are evil. Those of Gnass struggle with this misperception every day.

I would wager a guess that not all demons are completely evil either, although there has been no evidence of that in the games. Hrm. Sounds like a good BoA scenario premise. And, of course, the definition of "bandit" is competely subjective; are the rebels of ASR bandits or freedom fighters?

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
french translation in General
Kelandon
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 written Monday, September 6 2004 09:43 Profile Homepage #62
Uh, that may be part of the problem. :P

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Questions about Avernum 2 Melee Combat in The Avernum Trilogy
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Monday, September 6 2004 09:40 Profile Homepage #8
You can actually assassinate creatures that are near or even slightly above your level if you have high enough Assassination, I think. I found that I did absolutely junk damage until I got high levels of the skill -- I would get it just about as soon as possible. It was also the only skill out of Strength, Melee Weapons, Gymnastics, Blademaster, or just about any other combat skill that I would choose to bring above 10 or 12. (Still, Blademaster at 6 may be a bad idea -- I liked to get it up to 10 or so and then leave it alone.)

Fast on Feet rocks, by the way. To the best of my knowledge, Gymnastics ONLY makes you harder (much harder) to hit and act sooner, but it doesn't actually supply the extra AP that it advertises. Dexterity has no effect on this from what I can tell.

As a sidenote about spelling them up: unblessed warriors pretty well suck as far as I've seen, but I never found Divine Warrior necessary for anything except the extra AP that it gives. (And how cool is it to have 12 AP per turn? :P )

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Hasting, blessing, etc. in The Avernum Trilogy
Kelandon
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 written Monday, September 6 2004 09:27 Profile Homepage #4
This may be really, really obvious, but I'll say it anyway: you don't really need to Bless anyone who isn't going to be involved in melee combat. Hasting everyone is good if you can -- although I didn't find it tremendously necessary to Haste the spellcasters most of the time, but that's just my style of playing -- but Blessing everyone is rarely necessary.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Magic and Progress in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Monday, September 6 2004 09:25 Profile Homepage #20
As sort of a sidenote, despite the intense centralization of magical knowledge that occurred during the Stewart and Hawthorne reigns (judging from, among other things, VoDT), the University of Valorim at Lorelei was making its fledgeling efforts to start out in A3. Depending on whether Prazac chooses to sponsor this university or not, it may succeed and even spread and found new universities in Gale or Krizsan or Sharimik, or it may founder and die. I think that would have a significant impact on the future of academia in Valorim.

Also the massive influx of Avernites would have an impact, as they tend to be more free-thinking (which is why they got sent down there in the first place). Prazac will have to be more lenient with them than Hawthorne was, or else she'll have a civil war on her hands, and that would be a disaster of even greater magnitude than the Empire-Avernum war, I would think. This means that poltical theorizing and philosophizing will be possible in the Empire for the first time since, well, since a long time ago, probably. Perhaps this would be the cause of reforms....

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
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