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girlz place in General
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Speaking as the least desirable male alive, I can say that the usual characteristics that girls claim to want is not enough. I have everything that girls say they want, but girls don't want me, foolish blind airheads that they are.

Not that I'm bitter.

Oh, and dareva? You seem hot -- or I guess I should say, your personality is hot, which is even better. I want to be your love muffin. And I would be happy to get into an argument with another guy over it.

A little bit of shameless Internet flirtation never hurt anyone. IMAGE(girlz place (4)_files/smile.gif)
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Census of Spiderweb community in General
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God, we really are all teenage males, aren't we? Aside from occasional twenty-something females, of which there seem to be about two or three regular posters. I was hoping to find out that we had a surprisingly large number of, say, forty-plus-year-old Japanese lesbians or something, but no.
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Languages of the World in Blades of Avernum
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For the record, the Encyclopedia Ermariana is located at http://www.geocities.com/arancaytar/ , and while it does clear up some of my questions about aspects of history (though certainly not all -- it is QUITE incomplete), it does not answer the fundamental question of source and authority. If these articles were written mainly by Arancaytar, he just sat down and made some stuff up? I realize that this was sort of designed by committee, but I feel like I'm reading a summary, rather than the history itself.

So I guess my actual question is, phrased as simply as I can: did Drakefyre, Akhronath, and a few others just get together and make up some stuff about these languages (and the histories behind them) or is there some other source for the Exile/Avernum world other than the games themselves?

EDIT: err, it seems (based on the last couple of posts) that they did in fact just sit down and make some stuff up. This is almost disappointing. I suppose this means that I will now have to distinguish between the stuff that they made up and the stuff inherent in the games, because I wouldn't want a scenario of mine to contradict an Avernum game, but I wouldn't care if it contradicted some stuff that some fans arbitrarily made up.

[ Saturday, February 28, 2004 15:37: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Languages of the World in Blades of Avernum
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Okay, now Djur, this is what I'm talking about: "Aixo-se is not a going concern until our current plotline; given its similarity to Imperial, it's unlikely it was a pre-cataclysmic language."

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There seems to be some entire set of information that I'm missing. "[O]ur current plotline" presumably refers to something, but I can't for the life of me figure out what. I found a reference to an RP somewhere that was happening recently, but I can't find it again now, and I don't even know what that is or what it means. My ignorance goes so far that I don't even know what an RP is, other than that it sounds similar to the RPG that means "Role-Playing Game."

If "our current plotline" DOESN'T refer to the RP, then I'm in even worse shape and I just don't have any concept of what you're talking about.

And where are you getting samples of these languages? Aixo-se and Imperial and the rest? How do you say that they even exist, much less that they're related? That was the point of my post, not that I doubt the veracity of anyone's claims, but that I lack any concept of the evidence from which they stem.

And needless to say, the entire third paragraph of your post means nothing to me. It might as well be written in, uh, "Slitherzerikaiis," as you call it. Vantanasiyen? Undercommon? From whence do these terms originate, and where does one find samples of them and historical background such that you can make a statement like "the former stems from the natives of Vantanas being absorbed by the Empire rather than being killed en masse and mostly replaced with Imperial settlers"?

So utterly lost. Someone please enlighten me.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Census of Spiderweb community in General
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and heh, I did this without noticing Robin's "Board Member Info (a Science Experiment)," but thankfully the questions are in some cases different. My survey is shorter. And besides, it would be fun to know this information about specific people -- so we could at least use the correct gendered pronouns to refer to people, for example.

And also, reading more, I don't have a political question, which might keep this topic pure for slightly longer.

[ Saturday, February 28, 2004 13:17: Message edited by: Kelandon ]
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I know this is a rather immodest thing to do, starting a new topic as my second post ever, but I'm not nearly as much of a newbie as it appears.

My question is, what are the demographics of the Spiderweb client population? Jeff Vogel himself has said, hrm, let me dig up the quote... "For all I know, my games only ever sell to septugenerian eskimos" (in an interview, http://www.indiegamer.com/features/aug/spiderweb.htm). This suggests to me that no one has any clue what sort of population is out there reading these boards, and after reading topics like, "is english a first language??" and "What Kinds of Girls do you Like?", it occurs to me that it might be interesting to know demographic information about people. And yes, we could all just read each others' profiles, but they don't contain all this information.

I figure that giving out all this personal information is not a big deal because we're all using pseudonyms anyway -- even my "real name" is still a pseudonym -- and none of this is, say, address, phone number, etc.

So, here are the questions (answer as many as you're comfortable with):
Age
Gender
Sexual orientation
Marital status
Highest educational degree completed
City/metropolitan area where you live
Racial/ethnic origin
Nationality
First/primary language
Religion
How long you've been a Spiderwebber
Whether or not you're a septuagenarian eskimo

As a show of good faith, I'll start.
Age: 18
Gender: Male
Sexual orientation: heterosexual
Marital status: single IMAGE(Census of Spiderweb community_files/wink.gif)
Highest educational degree completed: uh, so far? High school diploma, but I'm a college student
City/metropolitan area where you live: San Francisco Bay Area, California, United States
Racial/ethnic origin: mostly European-American/white
Nationality: American
First/primary language: English
Religion: quasi-atheist
How long you've been a Spiderwebber: um, hmm, jeez. Let me remember. Since a few months before the release of Avernum 2, so that would mean... uh... sometime in mid-2000, I think.
Whether or not you're a septuagenarian eskimo: No, but I envy anyone who is and is also a Spiderwebber and therefore got such personal acknowledgement from Mr. Vogel himself.

Others?
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I apologize in advance if this is answered elsewhere or is just so abundantly clear to everyone else that it simply went without saying. And I suppose here I've reached beyond the scope of this topic but it was reading about the languages of the world that pushed me to the point where I had to register and ask.

My question: what the heck are people talking about here? "Novah"? Is there ANY basis in the games for developing a dictionary/lexicon of the Vahnatai language? From memory, without going back and playing over Avernums 2 and 3 again, we have roughly five or six words, mostly suffixes to names, if I'm not mistaken, and we have even less to make a Slith language, and no evidence whatsoever that anyone on Aizo spoke a different language than the current Empire head honchos. So aren't any of these languages just going to be someone's odd little creation? In which case, wouldn't anyone else's invention be just as legitimate? If I wanted to say that in Vahnatai, "Tek clak mop blek" means "I think Drakefyre is super-cool," then wouldn't that be just as valid as if someone decides that "hrel" means "research"?

Or perhaps I am mistaking the concept of authority here in the Blades community. I was under the impression that the only source of "truth" about the world of Exile/Avernum -- Ermarian? Where does that term come from? -- was Mr. Vogel and the games themselves. Perhaps it is the case that some of the oldest and most respected members of the community (like Drakefyre) have some authority in their own right and therefore can lay down some standard rules about the Exile/Avernum universe without any basis in the games whatsoever.

In that case, it would be kind of nice to have some of the general facts that we've all accepted since BoE came out gathered in one place, or at least in a few links in one place or something. Oh, and some mention of what we have all accepted and what we haven't -- and here I am specifically thinking of Vahnatai Creationism, which, no offense Drakey, sounds like the biggest load of hogwash I have ever heard.

I mean, I could read all of the messages on every message board ever created involving BoE, BoA, E1-E3, A1-A3, and every web site and link on such boards, as well as every site I get when I Google these games' names, but that seems like an even more daunting task than trying to verify every new oddball assertion that I find by replaying A1, A2, and A3.

I apologize again if I sound stupid. I just feel like I'm light-years behind (maybe about six or so :) ) and have no way of catching up. I was never really able to get into BoE because I was an Avernum fan and the Exile engine just seemed too archaic, but I intend to be an active BoA-er, so I'd like to have some clue what's going on, and the more I look around, the most lost I become.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00

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