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Displayed name	Or else o'erleap.
Member number	335
Title	Law Bringer
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In the afterlife... in General
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Sunday, July 11 2004 09:23 Profile Homepage #28 I am predestined for Limbo, but only because they haven't finished construction on the 10th level of Hell yet. —Alorael, who is quite worried about this. Meeting the stated requirements of religion tends to make one an awful person, he's found. And it's not his religion, either! Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Question about new scenarios from a Spiderweb newbie in Blades of Avernum
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Saturday, July 10 2004 12:48 Profile Homepage #4 Actually, the Lyceum's a pretty good place to find out about upcoming scenarios. Not all of them, of course, but most of the major BoE scenario designers are there, and I'd guess that most of them will become major BoA designers. —Alorael, who was thinking about new scenarios and wondering about the status of RiB. Any news, Drakey? Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
E3 DeamonSlayer & other weapons in The Exile Trilogy
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Friday, July 9 2004 20:24 Profile Homepage #8 The shield isn't unique. You can buy them in a number of places or get them randomly from killing monsters. —Alorael, who can't remember finding a Mace of Disruption anywhere. That may mean there isn't one outside of the editor, but it could just as easily mean he didn't look hard enough, or even that he found it and forgot during the intervening years. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
This is strange, in a scary way. in General
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Friday, July 9 2004 20:20 Profile Homepage #24 You think you've been rated alot, VWM? You haven't even broken into the double digits! —Alorael, whose only claims to fame are worthless number. Well, those and his signature. Sure, it's pitiful, but it's a niche! Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
VAHNATAI PCs in The Avernum Trilogy
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Friday, July 9 2004 20:18 Profile Homepage #1 1. Jeff doesn't make a habit of reading these forums. 2. Vahnatai PCs would probably have to have a crippling experience penalty to match the number of ways that vahnatai are supposed to be better than the other races. That wouldn't make them so much fun. 3. The legal issues of taking someone's suggested plot mean that Jeff would almost certainly avoid doing anything someone told him to do. Creative impulses only reinforce that. Now, your plot isn't much of a plot (in fact, it suffers from all the ills of A3's and then some), but still... —Alorael, who isn't sure why this is a numbered list. It just is. Deal with it. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Do Nephils... in General
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Friday, July 9 2004 20:13 Profile Homepage #19 Nephil dining habits are probably much like human dining habits. They have various polite ways to consume food, but, when it comes down to it, they're just hungry critters who want to tear apart dead things and eat their flesh. And they have the claws and teeth to make silverware a definite unnecessary luxury. —Alorael, who suspects that sliths don't shed like snakes. They may slough off sections of their scales, but nothing as drastic as a snake's sudden and total scale replacement. There would be signs of things like that in the sliths lairs otherwise. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Friday, July 9 2004 14:03 Profile Homepage #183 "Judging" is any form of synthesizing data and observations in order to come to a conclusion. That's exactly what you're doing. It may not be negative in your eyes, though it comes across that way in mine, but it's still judgement. You can't have it both ways, Overwhelming. If you proclaim that the laws are for our own good and some of them are outdated, then you open the door for complete reinterpretation. If not, you are almost undoubtedly comitting many sins as we speak (or as I type, as the case may be). Furthermore, with no punishment listed for homosexuality, I still see no evidence for God despising it above all else. It could be a minor faux pas from His perspective. quote: Wrongly used. And in that time, ignorance was so common, that if I told someone that the Bible said pigs can fly, they would believe it. Guess what? The Bible is grossly misunderstood today as well. Ignorance abounds. And if you tell someone that Satan doesn't appear in the story of the Garden of Eden, people will say you're crazy. Nope, I don't think you can justify anything with "times are better now." I said God is not a drill sergeant. I do not believe He monitors us for thoughtcrime. In fact, I don't think He is offended by anything that doesn't harm someone else. Homosexuality does not harm people any more than heterosexuality. quote: And remember that those laws you're talking about are laws in ordinances, not moral laws, like the TC. When the laws are all literally listed in Leviticus, I think claiming some are more valid than others is putting words in the mouth of God. Again, you can't have it both ways. Either the laws are immutable or they are not. And the OT has no "morality" laws. Everything is a case of crime and punishment. Prophet, I'd like to see your sources. Google easily turns up an NIH citation to support my claims that homosexuality is gene-linked. And there are a number of reasons it could be passed on. Perhaps it is a recessive trait. Perhaps it is linked to other highly desireable traits. One way or another, it's in our genome. Nature, not nurture. ?Alorael, who hates to add to the huge posts with another huge post. Not enough to cut back on his maundering. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
War, war, war! in The Exile Trilogy
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Friday, July 9 2004 13:40 Profile Homepage #81 With Blades one can set up any scenario one wants, pun intended. Therefore Blades must be disregarded. In the games, only Exile, the Empire, and the vahnatai have death nodes. What's more, they have death nodes that trigger whenever one of their number is attacked. That's a big advantage. —Alorael, who questions the reasoning that says that the Empire is the sure bet for a long war. The Empire is effectively under perpetual martial law to prevent rebellions. The vahnatai are not, and one clan of vahnatai almost manages to demolish a quarter of the Empire. It's the weakest quarter, true, but if there are more than five clans of vahnatai that can work together, the Empire is toast. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Do Nephils... in General
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Friday, July 9 2004 13:35 Profile Homepage #9 ->\|<- —Alorael, who finds this topic strangely exemplary. Perhaps it should be saved to teach newbies what they need to know about Spiderweb dynamics. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Blades of Avernum Wrap Report in Blades of Avernum
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Friday, July 9 2004 13:22 Profile Homepage #11 Almost every one of my posts has had a unique signature. Sometimes it requires editing to get there, but it is done. —Alorael, who has double posted before and will double post in the future. He sometimes wonders what the flood control is there for if it doesn't prevent flooding. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
We know about Geneforge 3...but what's next? in General
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Friday, July 9 2004 13:18 Profile Homepage #77 quote: 2: The world of Avernum and the surface and all that is pretty interesting. This is circular -- 'he writes well because he writes well', basically... Actually, it's defending a statement with evidence. I happen to like Jeff's writing style, although his world smacks of generic fantasy. It's good generic fantasy, though, and I like the way he handled underground land. Nuclear physicists have the only true understanding of history. Well, them and teenagers. [Edit: The citation is still improper, but now it is more pretentiously so.] ?Alorael, who doesn't think Geneforge counts as a mingling of sci-fi and fantasy. It's fusion. Instead of having bits thrown together in clearly isolated pieces, it's a world built around the idea of that mixture. It's also clearly based on magic to which scientific principles can be applied in a primarily pre-industrial setting. There are no laser blaster vs. fireball fights. [ Friday, July 09, 2004 13:19: Message edited by: The Coomassie Blues ] Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Character traits for your party in Blades of Avernum
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Friday, July 9 2004 13:13 Profile Homepage #4 Actually, for no stats, I put in Beastmaster. Completely Inept is part of a valid strategy. Beastmaster is a useless waste of experience. —Alorael, who still fiddles with his first two characters. His only constants are a pair of human natural mages for third and fourth characters. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Thursday, July 8 2004 14:22 Profile Homepage #167 Yes, were244, we will be judged in the end. Consider "love thy neighbor" again. There's no conditional, so unless you really despise yourself, you might want to go easier on the sanctimoniousness and try a bit harder with the friendliness. The United States are indeed a nice place, but they are far from perfect (and that's another rant). However, it is not the hand of God that causes either the good or the bad. It is the hand of imperfect men, some of whom try very hard to do the right thing, and some of whom do not. Furthermore, don't be so quick to hurl around terms like blasphemer. It is you who deny the laws set down in Leviticus. Andrew Mills is correct: dietary laws are stated in far more detail than rules governing sexuality. The Old Testament, which came more directly from the mouth of God, is more concerned with what you eat than who you sleep with. So yes, diet is at least on par with sexuality. Ironically, I suppose this would make it blasphemy firmly grounded in faith, or at least in literalism. Prophet: The OT (yes, that's what I know best) doesn't say much about pleasure one way or the other. It certainly thunders against sex out of wedlock, but if two happily married people enjoy themselves, God doesn't seem to disapprove. Not anywhere that I can find. DP: A minor thing, but you're confusing Paradise Lost with the Bible. Satan appears once in the Old Testament, and that's in the Book of Job. It's the serpent who convinces Eve to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and only the serpent. When that was written down, there was no big, bad, evil Satan. ?Alorael, who went back and had another look at the Hebrew of that pesky Leviticus 18:22. Lo and behold, it really does say you shall not lie with a man as with a woman. First of all, it prescribes no specific punishment. That may only be one of the ritual uncleanliness laws. Also, who is to say that all homosexual activity is just "as with a woman"? In fact, if it's not penile-vaginal homosexual intercourse (which would be difficult to say the least), couldn't you interpret it as perfectly acceptable? If you're going to be literal, be literal. Don't claim to be literal when you are, in fact, interpreting. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Vahnatai - Do you like them? in The Avernum Trilogy
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Thursday, July 8 2004 14:03 Profile Homepage #11 Rentar-Ihrno doesn't get away with it. Last time I checked, her clan gets decimated and her plotting is literally exploded by a bunch of goody two shoes adventurers. Then there are the vahnatai like Bon-Ihrno, but they deserve to die because their race is guilty of a single murder. The attempted deicide committed by humans is of no matter. —Alorael, who likes the vahnatai because, quite frankly, they're the only race that couldn't be lifted straight out of any number of other generic fantasy sources. And crystals are cool. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Autocombat. in The Avernum Trilogy
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Thursday, July 8 2004 13:14 Profile Homepage #6 Besides mashing the A, B, C, etc. keys really quickly? Not that I've found. —Alorael, who wouldn't mind a feature like that himself. Sure, you'd still have to select manually when there are lots of enemies, but it would save time when frying BBEG #1, Underling #1, and Underling #2. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Blades of Avernum Wrap Report in Blades of Avernum
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Thursday, July 8 2004 13:09 Profile Homepage #6 Double post! —Alorael, who didn't even catch this quickly. Yes, he is properly ashamed of himself. [ Friday, July 09, 2004 13:20: Message edited by: The Coomassie Blues ] Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
4000 Posts in General
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Thursday, July 8 2004 13:05 Profile Homepage #22 You have not really posted until you've been part of a magnificent effort to get someone to 1000 posts really, really quickly without involving any double-posting. —Alorael, who can proudly say that he was part of such an effort (in case you couldn't guess). Among other things, it was the lowest contents to posts ratio and highest posts to seconds ratio he's ever had. Yes, he means seconds. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Blades of Avernum Wrap Report in Blades of Avernum
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Thursday, July 8 2004 13:03 Profile Homepage #5 quote: The third challenge, in my mind, was mending bridges with the Blades of Exile scenario design community. Blades of Exile was a big success in a lot of ways, but I didn't do as good as job supporting it as I could have. I tried to go the extra mile in terms of convincing them that I was going to provide a solid, well-supported product, and also to do a lot of little extra things, like making the scenario editor open source. Here's to a step in the right direction. May it lead to bigger and better things, and happy customers, even if they are all 8-year-olds or septuagenarian eskimos. —Alorael, who wouldn't mind seeing an Avernum 4, especially with a new engine. He still likes the turn-based and he still thinks that the best of BoE/BoA is related to Exile/Avernum only loosely at most. All the same, it would be nice to know what the creator of the Empire and E/A thinks will happen to them in their new touchy-feely relationship. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
This is strange, in a scary way. in General
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Wednesday, July 7 2004 13:39 Profile Homepage #14 quote: Originally written by Aran: Traditional Cashmere Sweater: *Mmmh... so complaining about one's rating actually does* help. I was under the impression it only worsened the problem... Except when you are TGM. —Alorael, who suddenly realizes that with all of TGM's accounts he could probably give anyone whatever karma he desires. So stay on his good list or he will rate you like you have never been rated before. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00**
A1-3: Skill Points in The Avernum Trilogy
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Wednesday, July 7 2004 13:34 Profile Homepage #7 Maybe there are both, maybe I'm thinking of E1 and E2, or maybe I'm just nuts. —Alorael, who doesn't really think the nomenclature is too important. There are potions. You can drink them and they give you skill points. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Autocombat. in The Avernum Trilogy
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Wednesday, July 7 2004 13:29 Profile Homepage #1 The solution is to avoid using autocombat. It is terrible at best. Fighting may be annoying, but it's better than letting the computer run both sides of the battle. —Alorael, who can see that Jeff either didn't bother programming autocombat at all or programmed it so that the computer can play favorites. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Wednesday, July 7 2004 13:20 Profile Homepage #134 quote: Originally written by Overwhelming: quote: It's not a choice. It's genetic programming You can be homosexual, but don't practice homosexualism. Just like a kleptomaniac can't claim he can steal because he is a kleptomniac. (Am I using the right word?) Actually, kleptomaniacs DO have to steal. They can't help it. Sometimes they're not even aware they're doing it. But that's neither here nor there; I concede the point. Anyone can practice abstinence. quote: And why did they do the sacrifice rituals then? The sheep was representing Jesus. And Jesus said: repent and don't do it again. Also said that we should love God above all and with all our heart. What kind of love is that, that doesn't obey Him, that doesn't trust Him that His laws are for our own good? That's hypocrisy. We should love God, yes. Should we give Him mindless obedience? I think not. Think about how you love your parents and how much you listen or listened to them. There's more to love than following orders, and if God is a drill sergeant then perhaps it's time we threw ourselves on the devil's mercy. If the apostles saw that others were doing wrong, they were judging. They may have been using God's rubric, or Christ's, but they were the ones playing judge. ?Alorael, who will go fishing through the Old Testament for references. He has to admit that he may be citing Talmud, Midrash, or other not entirely kosher (oh ho, a pun!) sources, but they are at least as legitimate as Bible interpretation and they've withstood the test of time. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Empire Papers (ASR) in Blades of Avernum
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Wednesday, July 7 2004 13:11 Profile Homepage #1 You need to leave the papers in a crack in a house in Selathni. The house is in the southwest part of town from what I can recall, but you'll have to find it yourself. If you're trying to work for the Empire, go to the communication chamber under Willow to see that it's okay to deliver the papers first. —Alorael, who can assure you that you will meet Jaen in good time. You can't hurry it along, but you will run into him, one way or another. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
weaponsA1,A3 in The Avernum Trilogy
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Tuesday, July 6 2004 17:25 Profile Homepage #3 The Black Halberd I have is only: +1 Strength +1 Dexterity +2 Parry +30% magic resistance —Alorael, who is still on version 1.0. That might explain it. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Tuesday, July 6 2004 17:17 Profile Homepage #113 It is possible to discuss without falling back on insults. The Hitler reference took it too far. ?Alorael, who still thinks that this is a surprisingly calm discussion. It would be very nice to keep it that way. Take the unveiled insults elsewhere. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00

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