Profile for Emperor Tullegolar
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| Displayed name | Emperor Tullegolar |
| Member number | 7420 |
| Title | Shaper |
| Postcount | 2156 |
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| Registered | Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 8 2006 14:23
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When it comes to Vahnatai things, it depends on how picky you are. I'm fairly picky myself, but you might be able to find things if you have a good imagination. Vahnatai cloaks are really just ponchos, so, unless you want it to actually be made of fungus, any old poncho will do. Edit: The $400 cashmere poncho I linked is a terrible example, but you get the idea. As for waveblades, while I would prefer one without the cross-guard, it is easy to find wavey swords with cross-guards. Action shots you say? Give me a week or two, I'm taking midterms at the moment but I'm on vacation next week. [ Sunday, October 08, 2006 14:25: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ] -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 8 2006 10:26
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If you can find a 6-foot all metal spear somewhere for under $100 I'll be amazed. That's why I bought it: it was cheap, and I was nostalgic about Avernum. If I ever see a weapon or something that reminds me of a game I've played nonstop for days at a time, I'll buy it. I've got weapons from Diablo, Dynasty Warriors, Warcraft, and now finally Avernum! I also collect costumes. I hope you'll let me know if you ever find one of those robes that shapers from Geneforge 1+2 wear. I must have one of those. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 8 2006 10:11
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Well, I'm a member so I only paid $30... but still. Sure, not everyone will be interested, those that are don't need to ask 'why.' Those know a thing or two will also realize that $40 is an unbelievable price, as $140 is more what you would expect for such a high quality spear. I just thought someone here might be interested because it’s Avernum related. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 8 2006 09:57
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I totally bought this ... It looks just like a slith spear! It even has a reptilian claw at bottom, and a little dragon emblem near the top. It’s also very durable, especially considering the price: $40! A fine addition to my weapons collection. Finally, I have a souvenir for all those times I traveled to that little island and beat the coins out of that blasted lizard king. I highly recommend this weapon, if your into this kind of thing. Edit: Should I have put this on the Avernum boards? [ Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:00: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ] -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, October 6 2006 20:07
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That's simply not how the geneforge works. You can't just choose what it does to you on the spot. It takes months of forethought, and you have to add parts of people you want to take the strengths of. But what if you could build your own geneforge? Let’s say you find a proto-geneforge, an essence pool or something. Then, you just add the parts that you need to make your character how you want. Want great strength? Go battle a guardian and take his body. Want dexterity? Murder some agent and carry her back to the geneforge. Want to not go insane? Go dig up Ellrah's mangled corpse and throw that bastard into the mix! The last part probably wouldn't work since he is a servile, but you get the idea. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Thursday, October 5 2006 14:57
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The website Dikiyoba linked: quote:If only it really worked that way. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, October 3 2006 19:22
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Me: quote:You: quote:I suppose what I said was speculation, but at least you seem to agree with it. Medab: The Shapers razed Medab because there were no innocents within its walls. Everyone who lived in that city was guilty of treason against the Shaper Council. The penalty for treason is, even to this day, death. Those that were enslaved got off easy. Rogues: No, the rebels are not methodical about where they place rogues. Where aren't there Taker rogues in the games? They are everywhere, released with no concern for where they are or who they kill. And no, most of them are not under rebel control. Maybe a few towards the end of the games, but other than that... that is why they are called rogues in the first place. Regret: The Takers are killing innocents on purpose, to create fear and chaos. Drakons are arrogant creatures, and they care for no one other than themselves. They try to fool their followers with vision of grandeur which are really thinly veiled calls for blood. I can't even remember a time I ever saw a drakon express emotion other than anger or hatred. They obviously have no souls. Scarring the Land: Just because Sun Tzu says it's a good idea, doesn't mean good people use it. It is still a scumbag tactic and it is further evidence of why the Takers are worse than the shapers. Oh, and what's so fanciful about the evidence I provided that you failed to include in your quote? Sympathizers: By 'elderly mage' do you mean Hodge? The total psychopath? Spharon, how can you say he wasn't just in it for his own good? He does not justify the Taker ways. Not sure who this this "another mage" is. As for Corrie, she is hardly high ranking. She seems like a backwater hick to me. You'll always have those, again not good justification. Common Sense: You say what I say was conjecture. It’s more like common sense. Why do you think humans despise shaper rule so much? Are the shapers sending hostile creations to attack their cities? Are the shapers walking into towns and pillaging them for no good reason? Even Diwaniya says that the shapers can not be as ruthless as you say because they like to maintain good relations with the people. No, what you say is conjecture, why would people be so intent on rebelling against a system that works? You say that loyalists are in the minority, how do you support this? Where is your proof that the people act only in fear rather than in reverence and respect for their protectors? Militia: The fact that shapers use creations to defend towns shows how much they care for the people in them. Why allow them to put their lives at risk when a thahd can quickly be made to go in their place? I would think that anyone in the world today would kill to not have the government send their friends and family into battle. quote:I would like to argue against this... but your going to have to make more sense first. What makes you think this? Iran Analogy: Still lame, my terrorist one is more accurate... a mirror image, if you will. Serviles: Again you miss my point. Why should they have to go to battle when they don't have to? Shapers take care of them, they give them homes and food, the Takers give them only bloodshed and death. What's mature about rushing into battle to your inevitable death? Serviles make bad decisions, they need the protection and guiding hand of a shaper, not the madness of a drakon. Also, evidence (gore at the end of my sword) shows serviles suck at battle, I don’t know what your talking about... performing just as well... nonsense. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, October 3 2006 12:24
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Hmm. *sets his own logo then lies about it* I'm with the cave logo all the way. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, October 3 2006 08:45
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Chaos: The shapers always manage to make war in an orderly and efficient manner. The Takers on the other hand, have a ‘destroy everything and worry about it later’ strategy. Everyone loses with this method. As for the innocent towns and civilian casualties, I'll admit that all wars have these, but usually they are accidental or at least regretted afterwards. The Takers, on the other hand, are purposely seeding fear into all humans through the death and destruction they bring about. Destruction: I believe that the Takers wage war in a way that damages the land for years to come. While the shapers move in with controlled creations, wipe out the enemies and move on, the Takers are scarring the land in a colorful variety of ways. There are rogues everywhere, who knows how that is going to effect the ecosystem. Then there are the diseases. Then there are Ghaldring's trademark 'fires.' Sympathy: Who are these high ranking individuals that joined the rebels you speak of? Lankan: The rebels on the second island were forces to form their own militia due to lack of shaper presence. If there were enough shapers there to keep the town safe (which there would have been if they were Tullegolites) that isolated incident would not have happened. Given the choice, people will take shaper protection over Taker ‘liberation’ any day. Protection: The point is that shapers protect their people, whereas the Takers cause chaos to get what they want. It all boils down to the social contract: how much freedom are you willing to give up for protection? With rogue monsters running around spitting acid, all of the sudden bowing to the shapers doesn't seem like such a bad idea. Analogy: There is no way you can get away with trying to compare the Shaper regime to Iran and the Takers to the rest of the (sane) world. If anything, it is the opposite. Joining the Takers is like joining some kind of terrorist organization, who's goal is to spread fear and chaos and eventually bring the world under a new order. Serviles: I didn't mean that the Drakons force the serviles to fight. The point is, serviles were not meant to do battle, and the drakons giving them this option is very irresponsible of them. Of course the serviles will fight, they are stupid like that, the inevitable result if their deaths. The drakons know this, yet they allow them to fight anyway. Finally, I am having trouble naming historical revolutionaries that destroyed their own nation to free it. It is different when two separate nations are fighting and destroying each other (Allies vs. Axis). But when a group is fighting for freedom, they don't usually destroy their own people or property to accomplish this goal. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Monday, October 2 2006 19:01
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I concur. I am having a hard time imagining this scenario: "Oh, man, here I am trying to read up on the Second Slith War and my concentration keeps being broken by this colorful logo in the far upper left corner! It is so intrusive and... chromatic! Why did they put that thing there, why!?!?" Is this really a concern? -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Monday, October 2 2006 18:12
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The Takers are spreading unnecessary chaos. If the shaper regime were truly as repressive as you say it is, why do the Takers not have overwhelming support of the population? It’s because they attack innocent towns, they release rogues upon commoners with little to no affiliation with the shapers whatsoever. They leave only destruction in their wake. Yeah, real "sympathetic." The fact that people go to the shapers for protection rather than helping to overthrow their oppressive regime is all the evidence I need to show me who is in the right here. Serviles join the Takers willingly because they are foolish children. You can't let them make this decision on their own. It's like wanting to run away and join the circus, only this circus has deadly results. Are the serviles not in better hands under the care of shapers than they are being thrown into battle by drakon overlords? Drakons seem rational? What's rational about destroying the world they are trying to free? But what is the alternative? The Tullegolites. We will bring about a new age of peace and order. Join me, and together we can rule the world! -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Monday, October 2 2006 17:40
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Looking at the two newest additions, I really like them both and would be happy with either, but I really wish you would take my advice and make the crown pointy. Bud... weis... er....  [ Monday, October 02, 2006 17:42: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ] -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Monday, October 2 2006 15:24
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Micawber: You couldn't handle Tullegolania, anyway. By the way, are we still talking about the geneforge world here? Do you think the geneforge world would be better ruled as a corporation? The Shaper Council has three leaders (as far as we can tell) and they are not doing the best job. I’ll bet it is due to their indecisiveness and lack of passion. These things run rampant when there is a shortage of heroes. I think this whole three leaders deal needs to be scraped, thrown in the pile of failures along with Marxism and the Geneva Convention. Goldenking: I don’t think you can have one person that deals with public relations and a separate person that deals with foreign relations. Those are both duties of the head of state. Wouldn’t you want the face of your government to meet wit foreign leaders, and wouldn’t the foreign leaders want to meet the face? -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Monday, October 2 2006 10:28
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Well, in that case, here is your ideal logo:  -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Monday, October 2 2006 10:15
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If the King appointed the Prime Minister and the President, then it would be a whole new system. The King would hold a deliciously uneven amount of power, clearly acting as both the head of state and of government. The two appointees would be superfluous. As for the Queen of England, she is the head of state in the United Kingdom. It is her job to meet with foreign officials while the Prime Minister fills his role as head of government. Since France has a President to be the head of state, there would be no point in having a king as well. The whole point being you only need two chief executives, preferably one, and it wouldn't make sense at all to have three. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Monday, October 2 2006 04:32
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quote:I knew it. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Monday, October 2 2006 04:23
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Where is the logic in trying to spread chaos? The Takers are cold blooded murderers that would genocide humanity if they had the chance. They claim to support freedom and equality, but the serviles are as much servants under the them as they are under shapers. It's more like only a child could see its validity. Which makes sense since serviles have child-brains and drakons are insane. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 1 2006 13:41
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Unless I were building a road to a crystal mine. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 1 2006 13:13
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Khoth: It is reasonable to assume that information can travel by word of mouth throughout a single island, an isolated valley, or even a chain of small islands. But we are talking about an entire world here. As far as I can tell, the geneforge world has not even discovered the printing press, which I give credit to as the reason why democracy worked when the United States was founded. Micawber: Why would ambassadors want to meet with someone with no political influence whatsoever? This whole concept of dividing the power bugs me. You are greatly hampering effectiveness, and adding excess in the government that simply is not necessary. Obviously there should be a body, such as a council of ministers, that debates things and makes educated recommendations to the highest leadership. But really, there needs to be one person at the top to make sure things actually happen. A single person to manifest the government and its ideas, a person to follow when the call rises. Nioca: Are you seriously saying that my form of government would not work because my leaders could be poisoned? I hope you realize that all governments’ leaderships are subject to assassinations. If anything, it would be less likely in mine because the rulers got their position through strength and cunning. Then again, I have no qualms about answering a stupid question with a stupid answer. My answer: poison resistance! Superforge: Thus is the risk that comes with any scientific advancement. A risk I am willing to take. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 1 2006 12:23
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The President of France is the Head of State, the Prime Minister is the Head of Government. There would simply be no place for a King if they wanted to bring it back. Your corporation model is unlikely, though interesting. And as for the Triumvirates of Rome, those both ended in disaster. People don't like to share power. It is also inefficient. A single ruler is the way to go. Word of the Day: Envisage. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 1 2006 11:33
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Legislative: There is no form of mass communication in geneforge. Democracy only work with mass communication or a very small population. How will the people know who they are voting for? How will they know the issues? Most people will be voting out of ignorance, it seems. Really, despotism is the only way to go here. Executive: I assume the Prime Minister fills the role of Head of Government. Who is the Head of State, the King or the President? Most governments in the world today have two chief executives, some have one that fills both roles, but three is simply unheard of. It seems excessive to me. One is all I ever needed. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 1 2006 11:19
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I still think the crown should be pointy on the top, otherwise it looks too much like the Budweiser crown. Same goes for TGM's logo. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 1 2006 10:28
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Tell me more about the Representatives. Would there be an even number of citizen, corporation, and military ones? This would be terrible. If the military and corporation could outvote the population, they would constantly by screwing them over. This is exactly what happened in the Estates General, where the nobility and clergy representatives always outvoted the population ones and screw them over... in France. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 1 2006 10:18
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Oh, right. I keep forgetting that this web site is filled with tons of non-cannon stuff. I guess the symbol I was referring to is what appears in the games on walls and in the Avernum 2 title screen. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 1 2006 10:01
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Goldenking: It seems the executive branch in your government does just about everything. What is the Senate responsible for? Nioca: This Owen sounds like an idiot. He was killed by a bunch of hired assassins? Pathetic, he deserved death. I like this Carol, she has ambition, which is important. It is very unlikely that someone with enough ambition to kill the ruler would become a puppet. Even if she was a puppet, that's fine too. After all, if the person pulling the strings doesn't want to be in the spotlight, that sounds like a brilliant move, not one made by an incompetent. Rulers: I suppose I always assumed this was implied, but maybe I should clarify a little on this point. Physical strength would not be the sole determining factor in a new ruler rising to power under the Tullegolite philosophy. Obviously, any army can defeat one man, even a man blessed by the geneforge. A ruler would have to have support of the people, and support of his own army. This is where the good leadership skills come in, this is why my rulers would never be incompetent. This is also why they would not constantly be assassinated. They would have guards, you know. It is at the point where they are such bad rulers that they can not even control their own army that they would actually be overthrown. Resources: What could be a better investment of money than a superforge? Voting: It matters not, all your voting systems would be ruined due to lack of education. The world of geneforge is simply not ready for democracy. [ Sunday, October 01, 2006 10:02: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ] -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |