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The Bad Get Polling! in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
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Ash Lael: Stalker massacres town. Singular. And it was a sloppy job, too. As for Javert, I believe he was, too, malicious. He went out of his way to ruin a man that had reformed his life. He was evil, and I have no qualms about calling him a villain.

*i: You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you choose the Empires point of view, Stalker is a villain, but not a very good one, little more than a common rogue, in fact. If you choose a rebel point of view, you have sympathy for him, and thus you diminish his villain status and make him more of a hero. Your trying to put these two together, which is possible, but if you do that, your going to weaken both points of view, making him neither a good villain or hero.

The Bomb: As an American, the bomb is a black mark on my record. I am harmed by being looked at by the rest of the world as a member of the nation that used it, and thus that is why I harbor enmity. Not that this is any of your business...

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The Bad Get Polling! in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
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Originally written by *i:

I still consider Stalker a villain if you agree with the Empire side.
Ah, but then you no longer sympathize with him! The fact that you sympathize with him is the only reason people have given for why he is a good villain.
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Originally written by Nioca:

My definition of villain, for the sake of this poll, is someone that the party, not the player, can view as evil.
There you have it. Stalker is crappy at being evil, yet he won. That is why I challenge people's opinions.
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Originally written by Dintiradan:

by Emperor T.'s definition of villain, the best villain would be someone who causes the maximum amount of harm to the maximum amount of people in the shortest span of time.
It seems someone finally hit me with a reasonable argument. Very well, I shall add another element to my definition. A good villain is someone who causes harm to innocents to advance their own agenda, and does it with the greatest amount of style.
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Originally written by Nemesis:

Does that make the bombers villains?
Uh... yes! Who ever said the United States was the angel of world politics? I personally have not forgiven them for using the bomb, and I am surprised Japan has.
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Originally written by Lenar, Inc.:

the antagonist can still be villainous without being evil
This is rarely the case. As for BoA scenarios, it is never the case.

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It began in New London in General
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No! How would you be able to sleep at night knowing your government doesn't even have enough power to demolish your house in order to build a training facility or emergency nuclear missile base? Vote no, or the terrorists win!

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The Bad Get Polling! in Blades of Avernum
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Thuryl: I still think that abandoning ones humanity can make them bizarre and frightening, which makes for a good villain. This is what made such great villains out of Hitler, Attila, Ghengis, take your pick. You can still have a developed character and be a cold blooded killed at the same time. My argument is that I don't think you can be sympathized with a be a good villain at the same time. The point where your evil actions outweigh your good intentions is when the line is crossed into villainhood, and I think that Stalker failed to cross that line sufficiently.

You say a good protagonist would have made Rentar more interesting. What about Erika? You even had the pleasure of watching the two of them duke it out. Or Bon-Ihrno, who tried to explain Vahnatai culture to you as best he could? I think you underestimate the Vahnatai as characters.

As for your point on non-human characters. I’m afraid I don’t know where you are going with this. Do you seriously think being a vahnatai makes Rentar less interesting? I just don't get that. How can you not like non-human characters in fantasy? I can't help but think they tend to play a major role in just about any really good fantasy out there. They provide not only a window into a bestial word, which humans find unsettling, but they can also force you to see humanity in other things. I don’t understand why you think this is a flaw, rather than a great plot enhancer.

In conclusion, I assumed you voted for Stalker. Since you didn't, I really don't know why we're arguing anymore. Do you think he was a good villain or not?

*i: Great villain example, it fits my description well. However, I think revealing that he is a villain was in itself a spoiler.

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The Bad Get Polling! in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
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Who are you, Sigmund Freud? I'm sorry, I just don't see the point in knowing the entire background of the villain. Knowing their motivats is important, but why does it have to go so much farther? I think if you humanize the villain too much they lose their... villainyness, which was the problem with Stalker. It never hurts to have an air of mystery about them. People say the Darkside Loyalists are better than Rentar, but we know next to nothing about them.

I have given many examples over the course of the thread of my ideal villain, care to give me a few of yours? I mean examples that fit your description. Stalker certainly doesn't, unless I missed the part where he goes into great detail about his family background. As for Rentar, you know the most important things about her, her reverence for her ancestors. Her ancestors were violated, her people didn't back her up, what more do you need to know? Why are those feelings so alien to you?

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The Bad Get Polling! in Blades of Avernum
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Very funny. This part still confuses me, however:
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Originally written by Spookee Salmon:

The point about BoA/E is that the player (you) will react with the scenario is a certain way. Each player will react differently. Some people (gasp!!!) try to kill every creature in every town. Does that make them the villain? Or would the local militia be the villains?

What exactly are you trying to prove here? Are we no longer discussing the villains from the poll?

Thuryl: Yes, and I responded to your objections... did you have something relevant to say? An objection to another point, perhaps? I asked multiple times, and I will continue to do so.

[ Wednesday, October 18, 2006 22:58: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ]

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The Bad Get Polling! in Blades of Avernum
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I can't believe you both picked the Hitler point to disagree with, it was by far the least important point I was trying to make. If it pleases you, fill in the blank with any villain you desire, and my other points will remain intact.

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The Bad Get Polling! in Blades of Avernum
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Here is my definition of a villain, I'll even exclude the word 'evil.' A villain is: someone who is willing to harm innocents to advance their own agenda. Any objections? Everyone in the poll (that I am familiar with), and every villain from any other medium I can think of fits this description.

Stalker fits this description for his destruction of that one city in A Small Rebellion. Stalker destroys one city, showing he is willing to murder to advance his agenda. His agenda is to save the innocent population, which he is in turn harming. This make him both a crappy villain and a crappy hero. You guys seem to judge a villain by 'how many redeeming qualities does this person have?' I, on the other hand, judge a villain by 'how far is this person willing to go to push their agenda?' Your standards seriously dumbfound me. Why would you judge a villain by how human they are? The best villains are those that abandon their humanity.

Thuryl says villains should be like real people. This made me think: who is the greatest real-life villain ever to live? I say Hitler, any objections? What were Hitler's ways? Hate, hate, kill, kill, destroy, destroy. That's what a real-life villain does. Who does that sound the most like? Rentar! Only, Rentar has redeeming qualities, you feel sorry for her in the end (something you guys like in a villain). Why then is Rentar not your favorite villain, instead of this puny, rogue hero-wannabe?

I just don't understand. If I seem like I am overreacting, it is because I take villains very seriously. Does that make me one of them?

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The Bad Get Polling! in Blades of Avernum
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How hard did you have to look to find that definition? I guarantee that 90% of the definitions out there have the words evil or wicked in it. It makes me so angry that you are all attempting to make yourselves look deep by picking the character that can be sympathized with. It just doesn't work that way. Your supposed to hate a good villain, not agree with him. Your supposed to fear him, not feel bad when you bathe the people he was tying to save in his blood.

Good villains: Palpatine from Starwars, The Master from Fallout, Arthas from Warcraft.

Good antagonists: Vader from Starwars, Salieri from Amadeus, Brutus from Shakespeare's Julius Ceasar.

I wouldn't oppose to Stalker winning an antagonist poll, but this should be the thread all about the guys who sit in their towers cackling and ordering innocent children to be slaughtered!

Edit: Had to get Kelandon's quote right.

[ Wednesday, October 18, 2006 18:01: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ]

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The Bad Get Polling! in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
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We're not voting for the best antagonist here. We are voting for best villain. There is a difference.

Stalker, if you can even call him a villain, is a poor example of one. Who cares if he has character, that doesn't make him a good villain. He is rather pathetic: I don't fear him, I don't hate him, I feel sorry for him. What kind of villain is so bad at what he does that you feel sorry for him?

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The Bad Get Polling! in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
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Originally written by *i:

"yeah in his/her situation, I might do the same thing"
How can the person be called a villain if you think this? Are there any requirements for being a villain at all for you guys? I am begining to think the Silent Assasin is right... clearly Ghandi must be a villain as well.

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The Bad Get Polling! in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
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What makes Stalker so evil? You guys think a good villain is someone who can also be considered good... this baffles me. Shouldn't the best villain be an actual villain?

Edit: I guess what I'm trying to say is Stalker just isn't villainy enough. Sure you sympathize with him, but that's what makes him a crappy villain. A villain should invoke hatred, no?

[ Wednesday, October 18, 2006 15:26: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ]

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The Bad Get Polling! in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
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I must admit I am surprised to see Stalker received so many votes. I could have sworn the plot was designed for you to feel sympathetic towards the rebels. Even I, heartless as I am, felt a little remorse when I threw that explosive box thing right into Luna's face. I imagined her being attractive. What a waste.

Edit: Stalker is now in first place with 35% with Vahkhos in second with 29%! I don't understand how this is happening. Do the twelve that voted for him care to explain?

[ Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:51: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ]

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Which game to play? in General
Shaper
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How, looking at screenshots from the various RPGs you have played, it seems you should get along just fine with either interface, you may even prefer Exile's. Once again I stress that if you want the full experience, start with Exile. If you find the series worthy of another round (I think you will) then you can move on to Avernum. Judging from your standards, you probably wouldn't like Geneforge very much, but it's always there waiting for you.

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Which game to play? in General
Shaper
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Don't play Nethergate first. It would not accurately represent other Spiderweb games. Also, don't start in the middle of a series. My Imperial recommendation is Geneforge 1. However, for the full experience, which you may want since you seem like a serious RPGer (I've never even heard of Natuk) start with Exile 1.

Edit: Don't play anything outside of the three main series and Nethergate. You should buy them... just don't play them, ever.

[ Tuesday, October 17, 2006 21:29: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ]

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Which game to play? in General
Shaper
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*magical double post?*

[ Tuesday, October 17, 2006 21:28: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ]

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Geneforge 3 Enchantments in Geneforge Series
Shaper
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The best way to slow your enemies is to go for the Achilles tendon. Keep in mind this stratagy will not work against vlish!

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No wonder I like spiderweb!! in General
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Kind of a backhanded compliment, though: "Other games suck so much I find myself coming back to Avernum." I prefer fronthanded compliments like "Avernum can suck at times but it has an irresistible charm to it that keeps me coming back even after playing far superior games."

I laughed for five minutes when I saw Micawber's edit.

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Mac Users: Post Your Dashboard in General
Shaper
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Tyranicus: Why don't you cry some more, hippy! The rest of the world just can't handle the customary system, so they use a system based on the number ten so... what... they can count on their fingers? The metric system is, as Tullegolite philosophy dictates, a tool of the weak. I mean, look at the evidence: which country uses the customary system? In my eyes, it seems that when a nation uses the customary measurement system, it is a sure path to becoming the world's sole superpower.

Edit: Drakefyre: Mmm, MacBookPro. I've never had a problem with having multiple applications open at once. Once again, I thought that was just a windows thing. I always thought it was funny when my friend would drag his mouse across his windows desktop and the box would stay for a second after he released the button (out of slowness). I just couldn't imagine that ever happening on one of my macs.

[ Monday, October 16, 2006 12:37: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ]

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The Bad Get Polling! in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
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Did you mean to make that the thread title?

I haven't played half these scenarios, the ones I played I didn't like, I won't name them... yet.

I made the safe bet and went with the greatest villain of all time, even though she's not a villain and was just trying to avenge horrible atrocities committed against her people.

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Mac Users: Post Your Dashboard in General
Shaper
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I have yet to do things like convert video and whatever... I really am big on Final Cut, soon, soon. Until then, I notice no difference with things I do day to day, like World of Warcraft, which still runs less than perfect on the highest graphics settings. The Emperor must have the highest graphics and distance settings! Interestingly enough, though World of Warcraft has yet to crash on me, Warcraft III does so often. Damn, a game doesn't release a patch for a few months and all of the sudden it doesn't run on any of the new hardware. Someone out there is laughing.

Measurements: I was joking, logic is too close to my heart (Brain! The heart does not think!) for me to not love the metric system. Though I must admire those few countries that still resists it, it gives them character.

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Mac Users: Post Your Dashboard in General
Shaper
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I got one of the new intel macs, and I don't recommend it! I don't notice any differences in speed compared to my old computer (that iMac with the swively monitor) and yet it does something I've never experienced before... random crashes!

I have never ever in my history of owning macs (and I've had everything since those old tan boxes) never once did one crash on me for no reason. Granted, sometimes I would push limits by running programs with known bugs, or altering programs like I'm not supposed to, but those crashes are to be expected. This new intel crap crashes games I've player for years, completely at random! Granted, since it is running osx, a program crashing merely means the program closes as opposed to the whole computer freezing (which never happens on any macs with osx ever to my knowledge) but still! I'm the Emperor! How am I supposed to put up with this?

What was the topic for this thread again?

Edit to add something relevant: I notice both screenshots so far have a measurement conversion widget. When will the rest of the world learn that the American customary system dominates your outdated metric one? Do you still think the world is flat, too?

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Happy Birthday to Me in General
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The flesh of lesser beasts is the greatest nourishment known to man. I'll have a slice of the meat cake, and a slice of Tyranicus's green infinity cake, it looks wraparoundalicious. Dikiyoba knows what I like, thanks Diki! Thanks everyone.

Happy stole my birthday day Oscar Wilde.

Hmm, except for Tyranicus, you all responded late. Get it right next time!

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Mac Users: Post Your Dashboard in General
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Date and Time, because unless it's a holiday I have no clue what's going on. Weather, so I know whether to wear the 1700's Valois jacket and frilly shirt or the Soviet era trench coat with the furry hat. A dictionary/thesaurus, so I can seem more perspicacious than I really am. A calculator, perfect score on math section of the SAT and yet and can't do simple subtraction to save my life. 'This Day in History,' happy birthday to Virgil and Neitzsche. And, finally, Shakespearean insults, you rank rump-fed apple-john!

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Happy Birthday to Me in General
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My ego demands I make this post. You have 17 minutes before it is no longer my birthday (going by the timezone I was born in). Please leave your gifts on the table and leave.

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