Profile for Emperor Tullegolar
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| Displayed name | Emperor Tullegolar |
| Member number | 7420 |
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| Registered | Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 1 2006 09:42
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I think the crown in the crossed swords logo is all wrong. Isn't the Empire's crown symbol usually shown with no jewels at all, and with more points like in my logo? -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 1 2006 00:06
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Ahahahahahahaha! Hero. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Saturday, September 30 2006 18:57
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Emperorking: 1. It would have to be until the king is dead, otherwise there will be succession problems. 2. A senate where the military and corporations get as many votes as the public? That sounds like the Estates General in France right before the revolution, a recipe for disaster. 3. Supreme Court dispensing justice? Isn't that the king's job? What is the point of the king at all in your government? It is all very confusing. Retlaw: The only way someone would be able to overthrow a geneforge imbued leader would be if that person has overwhelming support. Lunatics rarely get such support, great leaders get this support. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Saturday, September 30 2006 17:51
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I don't like the way it looks more like a business logo rather than a game logo. It is skillfully done but... too skillfully done? "Here at Ermarian Enterprises, we put the nephilim first."  *Cue cheesy piano theme music.* Cave logo all the way. [ Tuesday, October 03, 2006 21:05: Message edited by: Robert Daniel Oliver ] -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Saturday, September 30 2006 17:43
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Nioca: Yes, my system of government is based on the geneforge, without it, it would fall. I'll admit that. If I wanted to argue about governments suited to a world without the geneforge, I would be posting in the general forum. Your Government: With terms as short as you are suggesting, how is anyone supposed to get any ruling experience? Dikiyoba is right about the constant campaigning, but even worse is the fact that the entire bureaucracy would have to be replaced each time someone new is elected. It would be total chaos, and completely inept people would constantly be gaining positions of power. In my system, a ruler can rule as long as he does a good job. When he stops doing a good job, rather than elect someone new, he is killed off and replaced by someone that is guaranteed to be stronger and better. As for resources, what makes you think that keeping an operational geneforge takes so much energy? In Geneforge 3, it existed on an island devoid of resources and with but a few serviles to maintain it. Not sure where you are going with that point. Emperorking: 1. Why would the king ever try to have a child if he needs to worry about being replaced when he reaches 18? 2. Who chooses the representatives? 3. And finally, by being the same as the U.S. Supreme Court, do you mean have virtually no power at all? -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Saturday, September 30 2006 12:50
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Play a game where you murder everyone you can without getting caught. I love entering a shop, closing the door, murdering the keeper and taking his stuff, and then being on my merry way, with the townspeople being none the wiser. There is, of course, the possibility that that is how you play it the first time, in which case, this time don't kill anyone? -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Saturday, September 30 2006 09:50
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I said a crappy ruler that used the geneforge would be overthrown, a good rule would not only be ore difficult to defeat, but if he is really good, there will be few who wish to challenge his rulership. When you character uses the geneforge, he is almost invincible, a much more worthy ruler than Trajkov. Also, destroying the geneforge would be going against Tullegolite philosophy. If there was no geneforge to be the ultimate goal, there would be little motivation to become supreme ruler, and the wars would eventually trickle to a halt, unless a new one was built. That said, you can not declare the argument over until you have explained to me how you think things should be run. That way, I can point out how my way is so much better. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, September 29 2006 19:38
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The mushrooms still look a little out of place. Maybe less of them? Maybe put them in rows? Maybe spread them out a bit across the cave floor? I really don't know. I like the trees, though. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, September 29 2006 19:13
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The only warm color in the surface picture is yellow. Besides, I always thought Avernum was uncomfortably hot and humid, unless there was an undead curse or something nearby. Edit: Sorry, but I just don't like the swords emblem. It seems too simple and disproportional. [ Friday, September 29, 2006 19:17: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ] -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, September 29 2006 18:57
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I really like it. Some suggestions though: Would they look more like mushroom in a pale yellow? Avernum needs lava, maybe a pool of it on the bottom right? On the surface, maybe make the city/castle walls lower and have a tower or two sticking out the top? My god, there really is a moose. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, September 29 2006 18:48
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That one is the best. Some questions though. What all is going on in Avernum? I see a tower, is that an Avernum sun symbol flag on it? I see the portal, very cool. I see a town with... snow? And that building on the right, is that a vahnatai building with crystals sticking out of it or something? -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, September 29 2006 16:23
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I don't think the ruler would be overthrown so soon, because he would have access to the geneforge itself. Mmm, the fruits of victory. If the human race actually somehow managed to war itself into extinction rather than eventually unite under a single rule, then those idiots deserve extinction. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, September 29 2006 16:11
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Touched it up, changed background color. I guess the "E"s were a bit hard to read, so changed the halberd (it wasn't a spear) into a slith spear. I still like the Vahnatai the way she is. I liked Alorael's no-mouthed Vahnatai look, I sometimes imagined them looking that way in my head.  But I still like the surface/cave logo the best. [ Friday, September 29, 2006 16:15: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ] -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, September 29 2006 15:44
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I'm very disapointed that Arancaytar didn't include me in his recap. Mostly because I wanted to see comments. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, September 29 2006 14:12
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Hitler picked on the weak. Tullegotlites pick on the strong. There would be little to gain from attacking the weak, in fact, it would be best to have them on your side, as it would make world domination that much easier. The villains would simply be the strongest in society, and the hero would be the villain that wins in the end. If no winner/leader arises, then everyone is simply doing a pathetic job of fighting, and they must continue until such as time as one does. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, September 29 2006 13:58
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I thought that look was... appropriate. I even did her in Exile colors rather than Avernum ones. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, September 29 2006 13:20
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I liked Alorael's original idea, so I stole it. Hope he doesn't mind. It looks a little crappy, but I could touch it up if anyone shows interest.  So far, I like ADOS's second submission the best. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, September 29 2006 10:07
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Another problem with democracies is that they tend to lead to party politics. This tends to result in the senate or whatever being split right down the middle, hampering the decision making process. Also, if you are going to vote for leaders, this requires either a very small or a very educated population. Since we are talking about the world of Geneforge, these people are neither small in number nor well educated. They would not know who to vote for, and there would be either total chaos or inept leaders elected. War, on the other hand, leads to heroes. Heroes tend to garner the love of the people and they tend to be good leaders. War brings out the best in people, and thus it is an excellent way to find leaders. It wouldn’t be killing people for fun, it would be killing people for progress and prosperity. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, September 29 2006 09:58
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I have heard of an experiment done where a woman was blindfolded for several months. Brain activity in the eye section of the brain or whatever slowed to a halt, but after a week or so there was activity there again, hinting that that part of the brain was indeed being assigned to other tasks, hearing perhaps. As for servile brains, it really is a matter of how developed they are. First generation serviles seem to be extremely stupid, however, they have great evolutionary potential it seems, almost on par with humans after a mere 200 years on Sucia island. Really, we might be dealing with two separate species here, as the differences are so substantial. I say enslave first generation serviles, and destroy intelligent evolved ones. Intelligent serviles must be destroyed because they are not only a threat to shaper culture, but they are also very physically destructive. I believe this is true for them as a race. Sure, there will be exceptions, but for the most part, intelligent serviles are hostile, and should be dealt with accordingly. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Thursday, September 28 2006 21:01
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Be-Cavalier: First I must ask about this brain to body weight ratio. How does that make sense scientifically? If someone is born with no arms or legs, will they be smarter than the average person? I do recognize that serviles are superior to other creations. Because of this, I believe they should be given a place to live, food to eat, and I'll even agree not to slaughter them for food or force them onto the battlefield. All I ask is that they put in a days work in the mines or make me a sandwich to repay me for giving them life in the first place. They may be the most clever of all creations, but they are still creations, and shapers are still far superior. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Thursday, September 28 2006 20:43
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Retlaw: I meant my example to be little more abstract than you took it for. I see you took it literally but did you at least understand the point I was trying to get across? quote:Nioca+Dikiyoba: You'd probably expect a quote like that to be written by me. It was actually written by a famous Chinese historian on the history of China, one of the most powerful nations in both ancient and modern history. China, while they were by no means Tullegolites, went through long periods of Empire, and whenever a particular dynasty grew weak, rebellion would ensue, and the Emperor would be replaced. This ensured that China stayed strong. Destructive, you say? I think a little rebellion every now and then is healthy for any nation. Not to mention inevitable. So why not promote it? If the government is worthy, it should not matter either way. Edit: Serviles. While I hate to admit it, it is not unreasonable to think that serviles would indeed prove a valuable resource during the periods of war. After a long enough time, centuries at least, the lines between humans and serviles may even become blurred, as both races would bleed on the field of battle. I would not try to enslave a serviles that saved my life in the middle of a skirmish. Then again, serviles are weak, and perhaps they would not be so useful in war after all. I will have to see how well they prove themselves in Geneforge 4 before I can say for sure. [ Thursday, September 28, 2006 20:49: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ] -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Thursday, September 28 2006 14:23
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There is always the chance that a leader will be a complete lunatic. This is why Tullegolite philosophy supports violent overthrowing of the government. If a lunatic does take power, it is the duty of each and every citizen to make sure that he is taken out of commission as soon as possible. Besides, I feel it is unlikely that a lunatic would ever take power under my philosophy because to become leader, one would have great difficulty taking over the world all by himself, he would need many strong supporters. Yes, he would need to be not only strong himself, but a genius that is able to garner support as well. Democracies do limit the damage done by each individual, but they also limit the progress and allow for incompetence. Governments need strong leaders. Imagine you are on a ship in the middle of a storm. What do you do? Who do you go to? Do you vote on what to do? Do you elect someone to tell you what to do? No, you go right to the captain, a man who has his position because he is the best. Someone said something about hereditary rulers, Tullegolite philosophy does not believe in hereditary rulers. I never understood why that concept was so popular throughout human history. It allows for greater incompetence than even democracy. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Thursday, September 28 2006 07:18
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If serviles are under constant care and protection of shapers, there will be no need for them to develop these thoughts. In fact, it should be prevented, because, as we have seen, such thoughts generally lead to destruction on a massive scale. "Take our free" indeed. Darian may be peaceful on the outside. But look at her actions and intentions. Serviles that could still be perfectly good servants go to her and learn to be independent, the next step being to leave her and join a faction, promoting hostility towards other factions. Darien's compound in Geneforge 2 was a recruiting and training ground for future serviles terrorists. In Geneforge 3, she even tried to make you a rebel. I think most people here would side with the Geneforge 3 shapers rather than the rebels. Servile mages = homicidal maniacs. Their inferior brains can not handle magic. Just because they are determined to have it means nothing. I am determined to be a god, does that make me the equal to a god? -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Thursday, September 28 2006 06:54
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There are not nearly enough piercing crystals in the game. You need dispel barrier. As for lock picking... *pick breaks* Unlock Doors spell at its highest level even lets you unlock doors that should never be unlocked, like that one upstairs in the Castle. I love unlocking doors that should never be unlocked. As for divine retribution, I don't like that spell. I just use mage spell when I want to do serious damage. The only time I have my priest use offensive spells is against demons and undead. I hate skeletal warriors. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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written Thursday, September 28 2006 06:44
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When I talk about "will" I mean as it appears in the games. We say drakons are strong willed because they can resist the control of a shaper. I also believe they are strong willed because of their general attitudes in the game. Whenever you meet a solitary drakon, it either tries to kill you outright or it tries to establish some sort of dominance over your character. As for the drakon leaders, they are strong willed in that they are Takers. They have enough strength and courage to go up against the Shaper Council. Those are my justifications for the "strong will" of drakons, my entire point being that even with the general hostility that this “will” tends to create, they seemed saner after using the geneforge, as opposed to the opposite which happened in Geneforge 1 with humans. As for democracy: if the people are allowed to make decisions, there is always the highly likley chance they will make the wrong ones. If the strongest rule, the government will be more efficient and progressive. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |