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| A thought about the line number "bug". in Blades of Avernum Editor | |
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written Tuesday, June 29 2004 08:59
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Meh, I'll release Irregularities to the public, then. If these error messages are going to stay the same, beginning scenario designers should at least know circumstances under which the error messages can be rather screwy. I have a far better explanation of this in the demo scenario that I sent in to Spiderweb than in the previous post. And again, it is a matter of interpretation. These error messages feel buggish, but they are not actually incorrect. I recognize that it would take a great deal of effort to correct them, but I do feel quite strongly that they (and other peculiarities like them) should be documented somewhere. If you know what to look for, they're not harmful; they're only bad if you're new to this. But again, I think I'll just release Irregularities and possibly write an article on it. EDIT: It does seem like you could check for line breaks in the middle of strings and expressions, but meh. I imagine it would take some serious programming in order to make it useful rather than limiting. [ Tuesday, June 29, 2004 09:01: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
| A thought about the line number "bug". in Blades of Avernum | |
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Meh, I'll release Irregularities to the public, then. If these error messages are going to stay the same, beginning scenario designers should at least know circumstances under which the error messages can be rather screwy. I have a far better explanation of this in the demo scenario that I sent in to Spiderweb than in the previous post. And again, it is a matter of interpretation. These error messages feel buggish, but they are not actually incorrect. I recognize that it would take a great deal of effort to correct them, but I do feel quite strongly that they (and other peculiarities like them) should be documented somewhere. If you know what to look for, they're not harmful; they're only bad if you're new to this. But again, I think I'll just release Irregularities and possibly write an article on it. EDIT: It does seem like you could check for line breaks in the middle of strings and expressions, but meh. I imagine it would take some serious programming in order to make it useful rather than limiting. [ Tuesday, June 29, 2004 09:01: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, June 28 2004 14:46
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Er, if you're waiting for Jeff, you may be waiting for some time. If you actually want him to take a look at it, the way to get him to do that is to compress the entire folder and e-mail it to him, but I wouldn't try that too often. I have no idea what the problem is. Is the folder located inside the BoA Scenarios folder? Um... I don't know what else could be going wrong. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Er, if you're waiting for Jeff, you may be waiting for some time. If you actually want him to take a look at it, the way to get him to do that is to compress the entire folder and e-mail it to him, but I wouldn't try that too often. I have no idea what the problem is. Is the folder located inside the BoA Scenarios folder? Um... I don't know what else could be going wrong. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
| Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General | |
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written Monday, June 28 2004 14:28
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AFAIK, sex change operations only give the appearance of a change. We still can't make someone who was born a man get pregnant, though, nor make someone who was born a woman capable of making another woman pregnant. I could be wrong. Someone know differently? EDIT: Actually, come to think of it, the point that I was making was irrelevant. If being a particular race were a state of mind, then one wouldn't have to change one's body in order to change from one race to another. But one does. QED. EDIT 2: And yeah, what Alorael said sounds like a reasonable way of thinking about it. Of course, it requires taking the point of view that the Bible (as it is right now) has been corrupted a bit, but hey, that's the price you pay for being reasonable, I guess. [ Monday, June 28, 2004 14:32: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, June 28 2004 14:04
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Given that Omlette defined words that I used, I gather that post was mostly for my benefit. Since those were pretty much the definitions that I was working with as I posted before, it doesn't really change anything. One exception: by fundamentalist, I meant literalist -- one who believes that the text in question was specifically the exact words that God intended and therefore should be taken literally. As for Alex, I can only say that if that set procedure actually worked for everyone who used it, that religion would get a lot more publicity than it does right now. I can't say anything with regard to miracles or prophets without knowing specifics about what happened, but in general, such things tend to be tremendously unverifiable. Not that they're not true, just that they're not demonstratably true, for the most part. Er, and Razor? Even if you dye your skin, you'd have to reshape your skull in order to pretend to be black or Asian. Ethnicity is cultural, but RACE is not. -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
| Another Bug in Blades of Avernum Editor | |
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written Monday, June 28 2004 11:10
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Just a guess, but are you attacking them with missile weapons? There was a bug in v1.0 that may be still there whose result was that if you attack guards with missile weapons, they don't become hostile. However, if you attempt to charm them, they do become hostile -- and if you fail to charm them, they attack you immediately, whereas if you succeed, they will attack you as soon as the charm wears off. EDIT: Hmm, really? I will have to do some experiments with guards, then. But I'm pretty sure that charming doesn't actually reverse one's behavior; it just counts as an attack. [ Monday, June 28, 2004 11:13: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
| Another Bug in Blades of Avernum | |
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Just a guess, but are you attacking them with missile weapons? There was a bug in v1.0 that may be still there whose result was that if you attack guards with missile weapons, they don't become hostile. However, if you attempt to charm them, they do become hostile -- and if you fail to charm them, they attack you immediately, whereas if you succeed, they will attack you as soon as the charm wears off. EDIT: Hmm, really? I will have to do some experiments with guards, then. But I'm pretty sure that charming doesn't actually reverse one's behavior; it just counts as an attack. [ Monday, June 28, 2004 11:13: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
| Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General | |
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written Monday, June 28 2004 10:49
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Ack... wow... do some people really do believe that being homosexual is a choice? Careful with your wording there. Having homosexual relationships is a choice, just as having heterosexual ones is, but being homosexual is not. If it were, why on Earth would anyone choose it? Razor, Djur's criticism of your statement is valid. Being white does not mean that a person has a set of beliefs that will directly influence that person's actions, whereas being a fundamentalist Christian does mean exactly that. Judging all fundamentalist Christians by what a few do feels like bigotry to me, but then again, I've never met a fundie that didn't annoy me, so whatever. (I have met Christians and even conservative Christians that didn't, but not fundamentalist ones.) As an extension of AM's point, the reason that I believe in evolution is that it makes sense to me. A class in high school bio was enough to convince me that the theory was sound and offered no internal contradictions. After several attempts to study religion, I don't think I've found one that was completely internally consistent. (I found the part in Exodus where God keeps repeating over and over again that his people should keep the Sabbath forever and ever pretty funny, knowing the ending of THAT story.) That's not to say that they're wrong, just that they're, well, not as easily convincing. And science does assert some things that don't really make any sense. Quantum mechanics, for example. I'm willing to believe the results of quantum for the time being simply because I don't know better, but I'm studying physics right now, and I'll actually do experiments in a year or two that verify quantum for myself. Religion, on the other hand, is not verifiable, at least not while you're alive. Unless you personally witness a god, a miracle, or a prophet, you can't know for certain which religion is correct, and unlike scientific experiments, you can't just follow a set procedure to see religious evidence. So yeah. On another note, I try not to judge people when I find out that they're religious, because that seems prejudiced to me, regardless of how much I may disagree with them. -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
| For those who are interested... in General | |
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written Monday, June 28 2004 10:06
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I seem to recall that Cav's other topic faced an assault of teabagging, so this is actually not as bad as it could be. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
| Life of the Game in Nethergate | |
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written Monday, June 28 2004 10:03
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My understanding was that the reason that Jeff didn't make sequels to Nethergate is that it didn't sell very well. I think I heard that from someone who was just speculating, though.... -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
| Michael Moore - Unfairenheit 9/11 in General | |
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written Monday, June 28 2004 09:59
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Oddly enough, from the beginning I have been opposed to the war whenever I hear Americans talk about it and in favor of the war whenever I hear Tony Blair talk about it. The man is convincing. Even now, he can make it sound like neither he nor Bush were lying to the public, which I tend to suspect that they both were. Bush feels more culpable, and Blair feels like he was duped, so it would be upsetting (to say the least) if Bush won re-election but Blair did not. Not completely on topic, but a related rant, free of charge. -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, June 28 2004 00:39
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My general feeling -- and I am a bit in over my head here, so if I make some rather ignorant comments, please forgive me -- is that preventing the spread of disease through quarantine, when done by legitimate government organizations, is a completely reasonable endeavor. I don't really give a damn about countries being protectionist, because I suspect it will hurt their economies in the long run more than it will hurt the global economy, so if a government uses a quarantine as an excuse, that's fine with me. And I'm usually pretty firm on civil liberties, but in this case, I'd say that if a person has a new contagious disease, and if quarantining that person might help prevent an epidemic, then it should be done. The person should be taken to a comfortable hospital for treatment and study, at the government's expense. Epidemics are one area in which it is best not to use kid gloves; they kill far too many people. -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM, newly updated to v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, June 28 2004 00:29
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I don't know if this goes without saying, but you can also use the calls clear_strings and add_string and remove_string to deal with dialogue that depends on SDFs. But yeah, take spyderbytes's advice and keep it to relatively short segments. Try not to have more than two or three text strings in consecutive dialog nodes, as a rule of thumb. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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I don't know if this goes without saying, but you can also use the calls clear_strings and add_string and remove_string to deal with dialogue that depends on SDFs. But yeah, take spyderbytes's advice and keep it to relatively short segments. Try not to have more than two or three text strings in consecutive dialog nodes, as a rule of thumb. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Sunday, June 27 2004 20:19
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Sir David, where specifically in Paul's letters do you find this? Just curious. The reason that I picked out that line from Leviticus was that it was so explicit. I read at some other point a web site with an explanation of the supposed four anti-homosexual verses in the Bible (or something like that) that was grounded in what the verses actually meant in Hebrew and Greek. What was interesting about this was that it explained away NT anti-homosexuality as being anti-pederasty, rather than anti-homosexuality -- that practice being, obviously, still considered immoral today. This one verse from Leviticus was a lot harder to explain away, though, and in this one, I think they failed. (EDIT: "They" being the authors of the web site: they failed to explain this as not anti-homosexuality.) But anyway, it's hard for me to argue with Djur's point of view (or Dolney's, for that matter). [ Sunday, June 27, 2004 20:27: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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It would be really nice if BoA got the same thing on the front page as BoE gets, though. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Michael Moore is a jerk and biased and plays incredible games with the truth. However, so is and does George W. Bush. Moore makes movies. Bush runs our country. I'll take Moore over Bush any day. Still, honestly, Moore is a jerk and sometimes I wish he'd shut up. And while we're at it, Reagan's recent death reminded me of how much I found virtually every act and statement of that man completely loathsome. We haven't had a good Republican president since Ike. (And here I am assuming that he was good -- I know nothing to the contrary, but I don't know much to begin with.) -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM, newly updated to v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Sunday, June 27 2004 15:20
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I don't know why I find this so interesting, but I do. I was reading the Bible because people say that it contains so many different and contradictory things, and I wanted to see what it REALLY said. Err, anyway. I'm reading a NKJV that has some very, very literalist commentary, which is probably tainting my interpretations here, but whatever. Chapter 15 of Acts presents the question of how the Gentiles should be incorporated into this new Christianity thing. Peter's answer is that they need not become Jews before they become Christians, but just keep away from a few things: idolatry, sexual immorality, and eating blood or things that have been strangled to death (15:19-20, and again in 21:25 and I think another place, too). As far as I can tell, one needed only to believe that Jesus was the Christ in order to be saved, and then not commit those four big sins. This reminded me of Leviticus's Chapter 18, which lays out sexual morality in (for the most part) pretty reasonable terms. It defines and then bans incest, and bans beastiality... but it has that one verse about homosexuality that is kinda funky. And it's pretty clearly aimed at everyone: "For whoever commits any of these abominations, the persons who commit them shall be cut off from among their people" (18:29) and so on. I guess the reason that this struck me is that Acts made this sexual morality thing out to be a pretty critical issue. Choosing to interpret loosely (while probably the most reasonable thing to do, practically speaking) seems like forcing one's own interpretation on the Bible, rather than reading the Bible for what it is. Then again, if Saunders is right and there are considerable overriding imperatives for social justice and the like, then the more tolerant interpretation is more reasonable -- but in that case, the Bible seems to fall apart under a mess of contradictions (because this is not the only issue that would become contradictory)! I s'pose one could take the viewpoint that the Bible as we have it now has been revised by human hands a few dozens times and is therefore corrupted from its original "work of God" status -- thus giving us the weirdnesses that literal interpretation entail. Meh, I don't know. This is one of the many reasons I am not a Christian or a Jew. -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM, newly updated to v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Sunday, June 27 2004 14:48
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I think the bad header error means that your script doesn't begin with begintalkscript, which every dialogue script needs. Erm, you place boats using a call, if that's what you're asking. I forget the call name, but the Appendices will have it. The image itself is, well, in the graphics somewhere. Using ResEdit on a Mac or... something to open .bmp files, I think, on a PC, you can look through the graphics to find it, but I can't imagine why you'd want to. [ Sunday, June 27, 2004 14:49: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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I think the bad header error means that your script doesn't begin with begintalkscript, which every dialogue script needs. Erm, you place boats using a call, if that's what you're asking. I forget the call name, but the Appendices will have it. The image itself is, well, in the graphics somewhere. Using ResEdit on a Mac or... something to open .bmp files, I think, on a PC, you can look through the graphics to find it, but I can't imagine why you'd want to. [ Sunday, June 27, 2004 14:49: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Sunday, June 27 2004 14:41
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If that was a genuine question, Khoth is the person who made the BetterEditor, member #67. If you manage to make a 3D editor (or even just a Preview command), I think virtually all designers will be deeply in debt to you for all eternity. [ Sunday, June 27, 2004 14:41: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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If that was a genuine question, Khoth is the person who made the BetterEditor, member #67. If you manage to make a 3D editor (or even just a Preview command), I think virtually all designers will be deeply in debt to you for all eternity. [ Sunday, June 27, 2004 14:41: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Sunday, June 27 2004 02:28
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Mr dont tuch me i am 2 saxy makes such well-reasoned points. And now, reading over Eldibs post, I see that he is correct. Well, if your point wasn't mobility, it should've been :P . Let's say the Exiles/Avernites get three adventuring parties. One is controlled by Thuryl, one by the Creator, and one by Imban. Within days, the armies of all the other races put together would be dead and dying. Their last words? "We've never SEEN such tactics!!" -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Because all the other topics on General stink right now, I'm making my own. Bear in mind that I am the peak of all ignorance and I am not even remotely Christian or Jewish. The question is just out of curiosity. That said, I've heard it claimed that the Bible does not actually condemn homosexuality. I was reading through the other day (don't ask why), and I spotted Leviticus 18:22. In the NKJV, it reads: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." And while Jesus and the disciples threw aside a fair number of Old Testament rules (keeping the Sabbath, for instance), they were pretty intent on sexual immorality (see Acts, for instance 15:19-20). One of the major sources for Old Testament concepts of sexual morality and immorality is Leviticus, chapter 18. So... Doesn't a Biblical-based Christianity (and even more directly, Judaism) necessarily condemn homosexuality? Or do the Hebrew and Greek read as something rather different than this? Again, I am not a follower of either religion, and therefore I feel free to accept homosexual people on my own terms, whether the Bible says to do so or not to. I'm just curious. And I figure since there are a goodly number of well-educated religious types on these boards, people might have some interesting answers. I'll be gone for about 24 hours. I expect the flame wars to have started by then.  -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM, newly updated to v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |