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a map in Avernum 4
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Friday, March 17 2006 15:06 Profile Homepage #4
It's good to see more maps from Silver, although A4 doesn't exactly require detailed annotation for secrets.

—Alorael, who was most bothered by the proximity of Fort Avernum, Silvar, and Cotra. The last two are practically on top of each other now that Silvar is a town and then another town to the west.
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Anyone ever dared to write a book? in The Avernum Trilogy
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Friday, March 17 2006 08:49 Profile Homepage #23
No, Tharma never posted here works on the UBB. Maybe back in the days of Ikonboard, but I think they were all elsewhere.

quote:
According to DrakeySpeaking of Tharma, I have printouts of most of her Exile poems/fanfics. I should type those up ...
—Alorael, who could locate only Pyrohydra, and only via a dead link.
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Avernum V in Avernum 4
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Friday, March 17 2006 08:43 Profile Homepage #93
It would be a great work of parody.

—Alorael, who encourages someone to write a scenario in which there are so-called Walking McGuffins that aren't.
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How do I kill the Shade? in Avernum 4
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Friday, March 17 2006 08:41 Profile Homepage #5
Some monsters in A4 are set to be unkillable. You can reduce them to a very small amount of health (1 or 0, probably), but no farther. The shades are most likely like that too.

—Alorael, who wouldn't be surprised if there a way around that, too. Like maybe summoning thousands of ghouls, ending combat, and reloading a game with an item still attached to the cursor.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Avernum 4 update in Tech Support
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Friday, March 17 2006 08:28 Profile Homepage #1
Download the update.

—Alorael, who suspects that the point of releasing an update download is so that people don't have to download everything again.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
He's not a bot is he? in General
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 17:31 Profile Homepage #32
I mixed up my antecedents there. Zxquez created me so he wouldn't just have himself to talk to. Aran spontaneously appeared out of the digital primordial ooze.

Or maybe Drakey created him during the time that was supposed to be used to make RiB.

—Alorael, who has reason to believe that he owes part of his existence to a need for tax exemption.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Killing Sleater in Avernum 4
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 17:26 Profile Homepage #1
After all he did for you? Shame! Fortunately, all he's done for you is all he will do for you, so killing him is no big deal.

—Alorael, who stands by his prior disparagements of rapacious adventurers.
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Avernum V in Avernum 4
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 15:40 Profile Homepage #88
A band of Unspecified Services adventurers, who should never, ever be called Covert Ops, have made a wreck of Avernum and Valorim. They've looted, killed, and dungeon crawled there way through an entire continent and cave system. Now hordes of Avernites and surface dwellers alike are up in arms. The very throne of Avernum is in danger.

As a band of young Unspecified Servicers yourselves, it has fallen to you to right the wrongs and restore the peace. Find new goblin tribes to move into the caves so other young adventurers can gain necessary experience! Find and the heirlooms that are unfortunately far from priceless, buy them back from the merchants who have them now, and return them! Set trap, lock doors, and raise magic barriers to prevent it all from happening again until another band of adventurers has 15 Tool Use and Dispel Barrier!

—Alorael, who knows it can't be done. Measle got there first.
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He's not a bot is he? in General
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 15:25 Profile Homepage #25
Don't kill this thread. Digital artifacts have rights too, and this is not an automated response.

"Bot" is a slur. Thuryl is not a bot. Thuryl is an AI. Aran we're not sure about yet.

—Alorael, who is angered by the insinuation that Aran was his creator. He predates Aran, obviously. He was, in fact, created by Zxquez back when Zxquez was everyone on the forums and wanted someone else to talk to.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
I want to apoligise... in General
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 15:18 Profile Homepage #9
I had a whole post written up for the thread that Saunders locked. I'm not willing to repeat it here.

Ed, your histrionics are part of what irritates some people here. Don't apologize. Don't make a production. Just ignore the people who attack you, and while they may not go away, they won't make any difference.

—Alorael, who will lock this thread too. It's a rehash of its three predecessors. If anyone feels a need to grandstand, take it elsewhere.
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Anyone ever dared to write a book? in The Avernum Trilogy
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 13:42 Profile Homepage #9
But that's what makes A1 uneventful. You meet the sliths and nephils, fight a lot of them, explore the caves, discover this and that, find the way to the surface, and so on. It establishes the setting of Avernum and the characters in it, but most of it isn't something that can be easily restated.

"When we were first down here, a huge demon tried to kill everybody. It was imprisoned, but it broke free and some adventurers banished it again. They were also the ones who led Avernum to victory over the hostile nephils and sliths, and they went on to assassinate Emperor Hawthorne with Erika's help. Then they vanished, and rumor has it that they did it by escaping to the surface." That's all you need to know about A1.

—Alorael, who supposes that blurb is no shorter than A2's blurb and probably significantly longer than A3's one sentence: "Avernites returned to the surface, where they ended plagues of monsters and then defeated Rentar-Ihrno, the plagues' creator, in order to forge peace between the Empire and Avernum."
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Slarty's Comic Strip in General
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 12:01 Profile Homepage #54
I am filled with that special warmth that can only come from seeing people catch on fire.

—Alorael, who simply cannot understand this profusion of Spiderweb deaths. Surely someone can see that just as post rankings lead to increased posting, death counts can only lead to increased dying. Soon everyone will die several times in each post, and then where will Spiderweb be?
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Demo in Avernum 4
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 11:56 Profile Homepage #13
No, now you seem to be talking about Nociduas, the necromancer who spends several rounds summoning a demon before attacking.

—Alorael, who has never had so much trouble with Hrickis. With a weaker party he can require a few reloads and some luck, but he never demands very unusual tactics.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Bye in General
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 11:49 Profile Homepage #21
I'm apalled by the parallel drawn between leaving forums and suicide. Suicide is the wrong answer to just about every non-medical problem. (Euthanasia debate goes elsewhere.) Leaving a forum where you aren't happy and where other people aren't happy with you seems like a perfectly good and mature solution that avoids escalating mutual dislike.

That said, leaving a forum because some people don't like you is absurd. Life is full of people who don't like you. You learn to ignore them or become rich and powerful enough that they have to hide it. If you're lucky, you do both in that order.

—Alorael, who has found that sniping those with whom you do not get along is very satisfying but ultimately more likely to cause problems than to resolve them. Skribbane, on the other hand, makes all problems disappear into an octarine swirl.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Avernum V in Avernum 4
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 11:44 Profile Homepage #74
Grah-Hoth isn't so fully banished that he didn't try to return in A3. He's still out there, but he's also still more of a natural disaster than a detailed character.

Now a different (and equally implausible) idea. With greater ties between Avernum and the Empire, greater administrative oversight of Avernum becomes possible and good. Avernum becomes nearly as repressive as the Empire. Some rebel takes up arms and tries to overthrow the Avernite government to return to Avernum's libertarian roots. You get to pick your side. It's like A Small Rebellion all over again, only underground!

And then an earthquake collapses some caves, opens up some new ones, and disrupts Avernum, the Empire, and the rebels alike. You get to pick up the pieces.

—Alorael, who would not in fact like his plot as stated. It is, however, a plot that should involve two detailed sides, real decisions, and that neat survival/exploration element.
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Alien Blade in Exile I in The Exile Trilogy
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 08:22 Profile Homepage #1
If it's in the same place in E1 as it is in A1, the Alien Blade is north of the swamps that are north of Erika's Tower. There are four passages that lead north from the cavern with the swamps, and the third (from the left) takes you to the Alien Blade.

—Alorael, who relied on the newly returned Avernum Annotated Maps for this answer. He'll hope that Jeff didn't decide to play fast and loose with geography.
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Captives of the turtle pit, hear ye, hear ye! in General
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 08:09 Profile Homepage #28
Nothing prevents someone else from duplicating Aran's work and gathering posting stats.

Except good taste, maybe.

—Alorael, who can't think of the last time good taste impinged on Spiderweb.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Anyone ever dared to write a book? in The Avernum Trilogy
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 08:05 Profile Homepage #7
quote:
Originally written by rantalot:

i think there should be something like that on this website so u can catch up with events if you just started playing i didnt find out what happend in A1 till i finished A3 and i still have no clue what happened in A2 (i am assuming that both the war and the theft of crystal souls happened in A1) i think it would of helped out a bit 2 know ahead of time then again maybe not
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Spoilers, obviously

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A1 is about the defeat of the nephil and slith threats to Avernum, the re-defeat of the demon Grah-Hoth, and the assassination of Emperor Hawthorne. A2 concerns the Empire's invasion of Avernum and the appearance vahnatai. The theft of the Crystal Souls happens just prior to A2's beginning. A3 is about the return of Avernites to the surface and the mess of monsters running amok.

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No more spoilers

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—Alorael, who is quite sure that every Avernum explains the important events in preceding Avernums. Most of A1 gets glossed over because it's a series of minor events with only a few major ones. A2 and A3 get plenty of attention.

[ Thursday, March 16, 2006 08:06: Message edited by: The Question I Ask of Me ]
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Poetry in General
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 07:59 Profile Homepage #28
He used to be such a nice boy!

—Alorael, who would prefer to think of it as Spiderweb in a nutshell. It's just like Nephils vs. Sliths (for those who remember it) except in one page instead of dozens.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Bye in General
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 07:54 Profile Homepage #10
Once again, expecting love and approbation from the internet is an exercise in folly. People are mean. The internet has a lot of people. The internet therefore has a lot of mean.

Some Spiderwebbers are nasty and sign guestbooks in unfriendly ways. Others consider teasing and mockery to be perfectly valid forms of interactions. The two are not the same, and confusing one with the other is only likely to frustrate the less malicious and drive them away.

Ultimately, though, these insights don't matter. You're not reading them. (Yet.)

—Alorael, who would like to ask to request that nobody apologize on behalf of the Spiderweb community or make excuses. This drama of laughter and tears has now had enough curtain calls. There's no need to call for an encore.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Minimums Needed in Avernum 4
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 07:48 Profile Homepage #3
The manual comes with the game for a reason!

—Alorael, who wishes reading the instructions weren't too uncool to be permissible.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Yay, a Website! in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Wednesday, March 15 2006 21:20 Profile Homepage #42
.dmg is an even worse way to share files with PCs, though, because PCs don't really have any common-knowledge way to read .dmg. Zip works fine.

—Alorael, who just noticed that you can anything on a Mac from a simple control-click. Neat!
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
What was those forums again? in General
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Law Bringer
Member # 335
 written Wednesday, March 15 2006 21:09 Profile Homepage #18
Oldbie is a stretch. I'd still put him down as a newbie myself.

—Alorael, who would like everyone to remember that newbie is as newbie is declared by curmudgeonly and elitist oldbies.
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