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Ouch in General
Guardian
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Profile #11
Depending on the type of break, the bone may need setting. Also sometimes the finger should not be kept straight, but slightly crooked. Ask your doctor.

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Polaris
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Ouch in General
Guardian
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Profile #7
An x-ray can show you, if it is a clean break or not. If not, if there are splitters, surgery might be necessary. So have it done to be on the safe side.

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Polaris
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Small question in General
Guardian
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Profile #6
I suggest Thunderbird as a mail forwarding program. It's open source. Download from here:
Thunderbird

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Polaris
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Debout! les damnés de la terre! in General
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Profile #7
That is true, it was in 1933.
Though the tradition is far older: the Mayday in germanic countries where people danced around the maypole, celebrating the return of spring, and Beltane in gaelic countries where the purifying fires were lit.

Will you go and dance with the witches on Walpurgis' night, spy?

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Polaris
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THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Guardian
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Profile #85
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15-16 is preferable, that way the body is able to mature before becoming pregnant.
Where did you get this from? First time I ever heard this hypothesis. Even in my generation, 15 would have been late for a girl, 16 extremely late. And cows were not fed with antibiotics and steroids back in my day.

Girls don't stop to grow when reaching puberty. Of that I can assure you.

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Polaris
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Does Spiderweb improve your English? in General
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Profile #44
I learned a lot. Still do. When I joined, Alec, Drakey, Alorael, X were among those most frequently participating in discussions, so I learned from them.

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Polaris
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NEW POPE! in General
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Profile #44
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This is a guy thats supposed to be a uniter.
A uniter?
Some Ratzinger quotes:

ON JEWS AND ISRAEL

That the Jews are connected with God in a special way and that God does not allow that bond to fail is entirely obvious. We wait for the instant in which Israel will say yes to Christ, but we know that it has a special mission in history now...

ON CHURCH SEX ABUSE CASES

In the Church, priests also are sinners. But I am personally convinced that the constant presence in the press of the sins of Catholic priests, especially in the United States, is a planned campaign, as the percentage of these offences among priests is not higher than in other categories, and perhaps it is even lower.

ON HOMOSEXUALITY

Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered to an intrinsic moral evil, and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder...

ROCK MUSIC

"Rock"... is the expression of the elemental passions, and at rock festivals it assumes a sometimes cultic character, a form of worship, in fact, in opposition to Christian worship.

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Polaris
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NEW POPE! in General
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Ratzinger is from my country, where all but two cardinals and the majority of catholics oppose him. It seems he never overcame the shock he experienced during the students' revolt in 1968, when he realized that he could no longer force his students to listen to him or accept his authority. According to him, their behaviour threatened civilization as such.

From then on, his purpose in life has been to keep vigil, believing in dogma as the only means to avoid chaos and confusion, and interpreting it in the strictest and narrowest sense possible. Later, his position within the church provided the means to enforce the rules and get rid of 'dissidents'.

He is intellectually brilliant, ruthless, and follows his path with great resolve.

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Polaris
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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
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Profile #264
I quote from here:
Religion....

quote:
originally written by Cavanoskus:

1 Corinthians 6:9

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

The word effeminate here is translated from the Greek word malakoi which is traditionally translated in English as "effeminate." It may mean exactly that (unmanly or lacking virility), or it could also mean "soft." Paul was a Jewish theologian. Someone from a Jewish background would consider "unmanly" or "effeminate" behavior etc. to be unacceptable. Greeks did not feel this way about effeminate behavior. However the part of this that is actually used against homosexuals in today’s Fundamentalist Christian society is the part that refers to “abusers of themselves with mankind”. The Greek word used for this is arsenokoitai. This word is made up of two parts, arsen, meaning “man," and koitai, meaning "beds." An ancient pre-Christian translation of the Old Testament into Greek translated the Hebrew word qadesh as arsenokoitai. We already know the meaning of quadesh from before. It meant male temple prostitute. Some leaders in the early Christian church also thought it meant temple prostitutes.

quote:“Some authorities believe that it simply means male prostitutes with female customers -- a practice which appears to have been a common practice in the Roman empire. One source refers to other writings which contained the word arsenokoitai: (Sibylline Oracles 2.70-77, Acts of John; Theophilus of Antioch Ad Autolycum). They suggest that the term refers ‘to some kind of economic exploitation by means of sex (but not necessarily homosexual sex).’ Probably ‘pimp’ or ‘man living off of the avails of prostitution’ would be the closest English translations. It is worth noting that ‘Much Greek homosexual erotic literature has survived, none of it contains the word arsenokoitai.’”

There are others who believe it means “masturbators”. Also some that believe the word refers to catamites (a boy or young male who engaged in sexual activities with older men -- these were usually slaves). Now there are so many different theories about the word because the original meaning has been lost. There is no way to know what it is actually referring to, but I am certain that it does not refer to consensual, committed homosexual relations as we know them today.


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Polaris
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Phaedra in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #138
Maybe we've reached that point. Though PoD's question as I understood it was an interesting one: What do you strive to achieve? Create an image or just look well?

To me this question was related to something that irritated me while reading the thread. Some of you, trying to uphold female dignity, more or less asked us to see ourselves with a man's eyes, not with our own. To consider male reactions to our clothing, and not just follow our own whim. I didn't like that. It stresses that I should be more aware of how others perceive me, than of how I perceive myself (which is a problem of many a girl anyway). That's not a good advice. Playing with various styles of clothing, following trends or not can be part of the search for self-identication and often is, at least in girls. You don't find out, if you don't try; some errors are included.

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Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Phaedra in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #133
I choose what looks good on me and feels in tune with me. It should also be comfortable and easy to move in. I want something that makes me feel and look 'myself', something I can identify with. What is really in tune with me, part of me, will make me look good. Don't know if that answers your question though.

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Polaris
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Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Phaedra in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #129
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Although I'm not sure if it's possible to want to look good "for oneself
Girls and women choose clothes furthermost to please themselves, sometimes also to pass the critical test of other women's eyes. You are third on the list. Makes sense. You are easiest to please.

But should you really feel a girl is consciously provoking you with her outfit, use the old trick. Ignore her body, look straight into her eyes. Works.

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Polaris
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Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Can't start Blades of Avernum in Tech Support
Guardian
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Profile #5
See here:
Topic: 16 but MS-DOS error

Try contacting SkeleTony or one of those that got the files from him.

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Polaris
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Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Guardian
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Profile #185
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I suppose that since memory = information and memory can be destroyed by physical actions, it would be fair to say that information is a part of the physical world, and that part is a certain section of our brains.
That brings up interesting questions. Conscious information and conscious memory are linked to thought activity. So what does the brain do? Does it create thought or does it catch and store thought to make it available on a physical level (think of a transmitter station)?

And why is Thuryl so often asked to stay away from contributing to a topic? His mental clarity's astounding, and we can only learn from it.

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Polaris
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SOS kelandon BAHSSIKAVA emergency! in Blades of Avernum
Guardian
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Profile #5
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originally written by silver harloe:
or leave the scripts alone, take your last save, use the character editor on it, click "use advanced features" "give a special item" "1" and "6"
see also: Stuck in Bahssikava

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Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Guardian
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Profile #283
I may seem nitpicky, I'm aware of that. But seeing how clearly defined terms are being randomly used to mean whatever the speaker (or author) wants them to mean, I'd rather be nitpicky now than add to the general confusion.

Words are accompanied by associations that are linked to them. When you use a term, you bring up the associations that come with it. Calling an embryo a 'baby' for instance, does automatically bring up images of consciousness that are inappropriate when applied to an embryo.

No, it is not just for ease of discussion that an embryo is defined separately, rather it is for ease of discussion to refer to the placenta as 'embryonic tissue'.

But, just as Alec, I'd be far more interested to hear why you think that everybody should share your point of view, so what precisely is your point of view? How do you define a 'human being', how do you define a 'person', 'being alive', etc. Once I understand how you use those terms, I'd gather a better understanding of where you come from.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
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To ef,
The placenta is an organ required by the embryo to keep it alive during the pregnancy, just as the liver is an organ required to keep it alive all through it's life. As such, the placenta can be said to be part of the embryo.
I'll get back to you on development of the brain when I have time.
Sorry, but by definition, the placenta is not part of the embryo. The embryo is what the blastocyst develops into, while the placenta is partly formed from trophoblastic, partly from maternal tissue.

I'm not making this up to irritate you, Creator. I mean, the stages of an embryo's and later on a fetus' development are just that: stages of development. Data, if you so want, as far as we currently are aware of them, and we are aware of quite a few. They have nothing to do with pro- or anti-abortion lobbies, and the respective lobbies should not try to interprete them in ways that suit their ends.

What I have not yet mentioned when I talked about the brain is the difference between nociception and experience of pain. All my references are in german, and though there are books, I'm still looking for english articles on the subject.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
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Profile #268
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It even has as much consciousness as the fetus: None at all.
May I contradict?
Please, everybody, get your facts straight. A third term fetus does have consciousness, does sleep and dream, and does feel pain. Once the cortex is functioning, consciousness is beginning to develop.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
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Profile #257
An afterthought.

Brain waves can be detected in the unborn at about forty to forty-three days after conception.

I've never read much on abortion, so I am only now becoming aware how often this argument is being quoted in anti-abortion literature. It is most definitely not true. So I've been asking myself, where does it come from?

The main source for this seems to be Dr. Hannibal Hamlin's 'Life or Death by EEG.' This is a speech that was read before the Section on Nervous and Mental Diseases at the 113th Annual Convention of the American Medical Association in June 1964, and was printed in the Journal of the American Medical Association, October 12, 1964 (Vol 190, No 2, pages 112-114). This speech is a plea that 'competent application and interpretation of the EEG should gain medical approval for legal pronouncement of human death.'

I quote:
'At only 40 days after fertilization electrical waves as measured by the EEG can be recorded from the baby's brain, indicating brain functioning47, 48.

47. Hamlin, H. (1964), "Life or Death by EEG," Journal of the American Medical Association, October 12, 113.'

That is ancient research and long superseded. An EEG involves measuring varying electrical potentials across a dipole, or separated positive and negative charges. Any living cell has an electrical potential across its membrane, and any living structure is a dipole, which explains why people have been able to put electrodes on plants, hook them up to EEG machines, and get 'evidence' that plants have feelings.

'Brain waves' is a commonly used term for a particular kind of varying potentials produced by certain brain structures that don't even exist in an embryo and are associated with consciousness and dreaming as well as the regulation of bodily functions:
'brain waves' and 'brain activity' are terms that refer to organized activity in the cortex, requiring neurons, dendrites, and axons, with synapses between them. These are not present in the human cortex before approximately the third term of pregnancy, it is therefore not possible to record 'brain waves' prior to 20-24 weeks.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
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Profile #254
Ash Lael has been asking for sources for my three examples, especially for the first.

Refering to 2) and 3):

I'll give two links on embryological brain development that may be helpful:
Neurological view
Embryological Development of the Human Brain

Refering to 1):

Cell differentiation of the zygote begins around day 5: between the inner layer of cells or blastocyst and the outer layer or trophoblast. It is the trophoblast, which then attaches itself to the uterus wall (implantation) and goes on to become the various life support systems (placenta, amniotic sac, umbilical cord), while the blastocyst develops into the embryo.

Definitions:

Blastocyst
A preimplantation embryo of 30-150 cells. Contains a layer of specialized cells that is made up of trophoblasts, which attach to the uterine wall and form the placenta. Inside the trophoblast layer is the inner cell mass. These cells remain undifferentiated.
http://www.counterbalance.net/biogloss/blasto-body.html

Trophoblast
1. [noun] the membrane that forms the wall of the blastocyst in early development; aids implantation in the uterine wall; "after implantation of the blastocyst in the uterine wall the trophoblast divides into two layers, the chorion and the placenta"
http://www.elook.org/dictionary/trophoblast.html

Placenta
Organ that attaches the developing embryo or fetus to the uterus (womb) in placental mammals (mammals other than marsupials, platypuses, and echidnas). Composed of maternal and embryonic tissue, it links the blood supply of the embryo to the blood supply of the mother, allowing the exchange of oxygen, nutrients, and waste products. The two blood systems are not in direct contact, but are separated by thin membranes, with materials diffusing across from one system to the other. The placenta also produces hormones that maintain and regulate pregnancy.
http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Placenta

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
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Profile #247
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Pick a bit (no need to go through the whole thing, I don't think) that bothers you in particular, and we can go over it in more detail.
This article seems very manipulative to me. It tends to 'present facts' in an odd way. By that I mean that it omits some facts, sometimes gives incorrect facts and/or bends facts to suit the author's purpose.

Three examples:

'There is hence no doubt that the development of a unique individual human life begins at conception.'

A very clever and cautious phrasing.

Nobody will object to the thought that the development of what will once be a human individual begins at conception.
But that does not imply that the zygote is an individual at that time, as the author silently seems to suggest.

Moreover, his suggestion is not backed by what is happening inside the womb, where the zygote is a completely undifferentiated mass of cells until day 5. It is impossible to tell which of these cells will develop into the embryo , and which into the placenta. A fact that the author wisely omits and works his way around.

'Brain waves can be detected in the unborn at about forty-three days after conception.'

This is incorrect or bending facts, as you will. It is correct that each living cell (liver cells for instance) emits measurable electrical vibrations.

Regular brain waves however, in the sense we usually understand that expression, do not occur before the sixth month of pregnancy.

...that it is reasonable to infer that toward the end of the second month the unborn has the ability to feel pain.'

This is a hypothesis that is not backed by what gynaecologists and neurologists agree on, namely that in order to feel pain (or other sensations) a certain minimal number of nerve cells within the cortex is necessary, as well as a certain state of development of these cells and a minimal number of synapses. Which is not the case before the 20th week of pregnancy.

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Polaris
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New Abortion Laws in General
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Probably the whole article. To me, it appears as if written by a maniac. Also, I have difficulties with the vocabulary and the way words are used. I can go into details though the article is long, so that that would be a lengthy affair.

Moreover I feel uncomfortable with are all these discussions about the sanctity of life that I see currently springing up. Be it abortion or Terri Shiavo, where were all those tears when Falluja was bombed with napalm, nerve gas and depleted uranium and far more civilians than insurgents met a horrible end?

Something is out of balance. I feel wary because of that and deeply distrust the current crusades. My gut feeling says that this is not about life at all, that this is about control.

I value freedom, Ash Lael. I value my freedom to love my handicapped sister as I value my mother's freedom to choose if she wanted to have her.

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Polaris
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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Guardian
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Profile #99
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ef, I do not ask you to "prove" what you state
How could I prove it? It's what I remember I learned at school. But then you have to consider that that was in the late sixties, people went to India to meditate and study the human energy system, so my religious instruction may have been a bit unusual, especially if you look at it with the so much more dogmatic eyes of today. We were taught to try and reach beyond the pecularities of each religion to find the truths that would be valid for everyone, no matter what faith s/he belonged to.

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Polaris
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My opinion on this subject hasn't changed one little bit, Overwhelming.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Do you think there is a Hell? in General
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Profile #84
I cannot argue, Alorael. I learned that Christ taught the way of the heart, and that the heart can be seen as a transformation center, a meeting point where the socalled 'higher' and 'lower' aspects of man, his spiritual and his human nature, come together. So that it is through our heart, through our feeling, that we connect to both spiritual and human realm, that the heart is the bridge between the two. That we have to differentiate (as the english language already does) between 'emotion' and 'feeling', that emotion moves in waves, up and down, always changing, while feeling never changes, it is what it is. That love is a 'feeling', and as such not an 'emotion', rather a state of being. That emotion is part of our human nature, while love is an expression of our spiritual self.

So that when the Bible speaks of accepting Christ in our heart, it speaks of the establishment of that bridge within us, of the link with our spiritual self, a link that Christ manifested and lived to the fullest. Without that link, we cannot 'reach heaven', that is have no awareness of that which transcends our human part. No effort of ours establishes this link, it is there and we receive it, once we open ourselves to it.

Always made sense to me.

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