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Two years to the day. in General
Guardian
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Profile #43
It is interesting though that international legislation acknowledges the right of occupied people to use force against their oppressors, both inside the occupied territories and outside them.

Based upon the principles of the Hague International Convention of 1907 and confirmed in the Nuremberg Tribunal after World War II, this determination was essential to forestall Nazi claims that partisans, Ghetto fighters, and other underground resistance forces in the territories occupied by Germany had allegedly been 'terrorists'.

In the Nuremberg Tribunal it was unequivocally set down that resistance fighters, including those who had struggled within Germany itself, acted in accordance with the regulations of international law.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Guardian
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Profile #43
Maybe we could agree that throughout the ages there have been great teachers of mankind, Buddha, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed among them.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #221
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Surely you accept that there is a world of difference between human life and any life?
What is 'human' life?

When you answered my post, you said that 'life' is more important than a person's emotional/psychological 'wellbeing'.

So what I see as a person's emotional/psychological 'life' to you is comparable to the dressing on a cake, nice to have, but not neccessary. That does not make sense to me.

If I understand you right, you define 'human life' as biological activity of human cells. This and only this is 'life' and worthy of protection. I'd like to protest. What makes me distinctly human is more than that. You can argue that feeling and thinking are merely biological processes of the brain. But then you will have to give up on religion. Any conception of God implies consciousness on a nonphysical level, as an energy per se.

The 'world of difference' between 'human' life and 'any' life is in the genetic make-up that in a human allows a far complexer degree of differentiated feeling/thinking consciousness than in this planet's other life-forms. On this we probably agree. But if we agree, then the emotional/mental state of a being is of far graver importance than you'd like to acknowledge. And if you are religious it is of essential importance, as it is your means of awareness of a relationship with your creator, in thinking and feeling.

A clump of cells does have 'life', but on a pretty undifferentiated level. On that level, 'human' (as I understand that word) is an adjective that can be applied only as a potential, a latent, non-manifested possibility, waiting to come into manifestation.

I do not yet understand why this potential in its fully manifested state (the adult woman) is subordinate to its state of latency (the embryo).

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #217
I do not share your view that a fetus is a living human being, at least not in the first trimester which is where most abortions occur in my country. But though I can accept that you have a different view, I still feel troubled by your disregard of the psychological state of traumatized women and their ability to cope with it.

I do not wish to talk about clients, that does not feel right and is unneccessary over here, as almost every town's and city's website has a page about rape and its consequences, all giving the more or less same statistics and information. But that is in german.

So I've been looking for something in english and came upon the site of medica mondiale, a german organisation that was originally founded to help and support bosnian women after the mass rapes of the serbian army. Though they deal with rape and war, the basic information on trauma is equally valid for women in peace times.

Reading the site has made me aware that my own emotional approach to 'pregnancy after rape' is deeply though unconsciuosly influenced by the reports of my mother's generation of the mass rapes of the russian army at the end of and after WWII. I talked with my sister-in-law who is from former Yugoslavia and see the same thing happening to her. It's women who pass on the memories to their daughters who pass them on to theirs for a long, long time.

medica mondiale

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
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Profile #206
Even in countries where abortion is illegal, rape is one of the exceptions from the rule.

I work with women who, after delivery, want to kill themselves and their child. So I know a bit about this situation. I think the rate of suicides would go up, because the women would not know why they should honour the life of the child, when their own life is not honoured. You will argue that the woman's physical life is not threatened. But that is not what she primarily identifies with. A woman identifies with what she feels. If she says 'I', she refers to a 'feeling of me', not to what she thinks about herself or life in general.
When her emotion and feeling do not count, then she does not count. And in a traumatic situation, as rape is, when her feeling does not count, she might as well be dead; she feels extinguished.

You may not wish to accept this, that is of course your prerogative. Nevertheless, it's true.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
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Profile #204
In a society you can agree with, Ash Lael, the rate of suicide in women will be high. And no, they will not wait, until the child is born.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
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Profile #195
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I completely understand that you may hate to carry the baby of your rapist.
It has not so much to do with hate, Ash Lael, it has to do with damage. You would accept any amount of irreparable emotional damage done a woman to uphold your ideal of how life should be. Tell me, why does she have to pay the prize for your ideals? And if she seeks the mercy of death, would you then force her to live?

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
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Profile #162
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Overwhelming:
And in this case, the embryo is inocent and the mother is the guilty side: it was she who made the embryo come to existence.
I have been taught that it takes two to tango.

If abortions were made illegal now, those who can afford to pay will still have the proper medical care, within or without the country; those who cannot pay take a greater risk. It was like that when abortions were illegal in my country. You went to the Netherlands if you could afford their hospitals and nobody was the wiser. And when it was made legal, the abortion rate did not skyrocket. It remained what it had been, more or less. Women are not so keen on abortions, even if they decide to have one.

Unmarried women who have children are not socially stigmatized over here, but they do need better working conditions during their kid's early childhood. They cannot work fulltime and halftime gets them not enough money. They need something in between and more flexible hours. Otherwise they have to choose between social welfare and abortion. Women with low salaries find it easier to accept welfare for a while than women in good positions who cannot reduce their working hours without losing the job. A woman in a good position would also never contemplate to carry a child to term and then opt for adoption. Her career and her reputation would both be ruined.

Some of our hospitals have kindergardens and day care centers within the hospital's area. That is a good solution for child and mother. If corporations did the same, abortion rates would probably drop a bit.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #130
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Originally written by Alec:

Luridly illogical, insulting to my intelligence
OK, I got angry. I tend not to shoot the culprit, but just everybody, for that I apologize. I kept myself away from really exploding though.

More calmly now, what made me feel like going on a killing spree: the mounting disregard for the pregnant woman's life situation, and her value as a human being brought down to be a vessel for a child. Culminating in Creator's statements that it's not the woman he's considering, but the child, and that he would deny her abortion even if her own father raped her. She would have to accept a few hardships. Yes I know, he phrased it differently, but I'm more blunt, and in the end that's what he said. Worse, that's what he meant.

[ Saturday, March 26, 2005 19:16: Message edited by: ef ]

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #112
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No abortion, period.
Throughout this discussion it strikes me that few of you, pro or contra, seem to have any idea of a woman's reality. If you had, you could not argue as you do; you are as far removed from a woman's feelings and thoughts as you can possibly be.

Do you think we really care for all this theory? What do we have to do with it? We confront real life situations and have to find solutions for real life problems. When it comes to things like abortion, it does not matter what culture we live in or what religion we have been brought up to believe in, we understand each other very well.

What you ask of us when you prohibit abortion is to go in hiding. Not to confide in you, nor trust you. Well, there are vast areas in this world where this is the reality anyway.

Life starts within us and we have the option to let it come to fruition or to terminate it. Yes, this is a vast power. One that men have sought to control throughout the ages, though they never really succeeded. And never will.

If you want to change that, please go into your labs and be happy with your clones. Give them exactly the genes you feel most comfortable with and raise them yourselves. That is not our pair of shoes, nor our side of the table.

Choice, as Drakey put it, is a woman's prerogative. We do respect men who respect us.

[ Saturday, March 26, 2005 01:05: Message edited by: ef ]

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #98
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And in the end, it's not what they do with their body that I'm really concerned about. It's what they do with their child's body.

I'm a woman, and not a young one. Moreover I have worked with women in pre- and postpartal situations for the past ten years. You may be able to order a woman to give birth and care for a child, but you cannot order her to love it. So in the end, it's what they do with their own and with the child's soul that I'm really concerned about.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #93
There is no 'state religion', but Portugal is mainly catholic, yes. Southern european catholicism is usually not as extreme and violent as Overwhelming. I get images of resurfacing Inquisition, listening to him.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #75
Well, my thoughts went in the same direction, though I went on with: stop eating. Protect DNA.

More seriously, Creator, Overwhelming and others:
You have all the right in the world to reject abortion. But I reject your right to tell a woman what her moral obligations are.

Women have sought abortion even when they had to go to the stake, if they were found out. They probably had a reason for this. It is never an easy decision, not one a woman ever forgets. It is highly emotional. And most importantly, it is a decision between her and her child and the Source of Love, but whatever name she calls it, not between her and society, or her and a man.

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Originally written by Creator:

Even in the case of rape (where there is no choice), the fact that the mother was brutally assaulted does not give her the right to then go and harm an innocent third party (i.e. the child). It's not the child's fault that it's mother was raped.
Even for an anti-abortionist, aren't you taking this a bit too far? There cannot be any rules and it certainly depends on circumstances, but it can very easily be psychologically murderous for such a traumatized woman to have to nourish a part of her violator with her own body and give birth to it.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #70
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Depends on your definition of a pregnancy. I'd say that morning-afters still fall under the category of prevention.

Alec has a point, though. Following the argument that human life begins at contraception and that a fertilized human egg is sacrosant and has to be protected by all means, morning after drugs would have to be prohibited. It is a small step from there to banning all contraception, arguing that the prevention of pregnancy denies a potential fetus' right to live.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
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Member # 2476
Profile #52
Creator, if you successfully prohibit abortion, the only outcome will be this: your girlfriends and wives won't tell you when they get pregnant as long as they haven't decided themselves, if they want the child or not. They will handle the issue silently.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Terri Schiavo in General
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #30
The available sources are by far too contradictory for any outsider to know what state Mrs. Schiavo is really in.

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What perplexes and worries me in a case that is now going to the Supreme Court is the incompatibility of for instance the following two statements:

Quote http://www.terrisfight.net/myths.html:

Terri's behavior does not meet the medical or statutory definition of persistent vegetative state. Terri responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. None of these behaviors are simple reflexes and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. Though Terri has limitations, she does interact purposefully with her environment.

Quote http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html:

Over the span of this last decade, Theresa's brain has deteriorated because of the lack of oxygen it suffered at the time of the heart attack. By mid 1996, the CAT scans of her brain showed a severely abnormal structure. At this point, much of her cerebral cortex is simply gone and has been replaced by cerebral spinal fluid. Medicine cannot cure this condition. Unless an act of God, a true miracle, were to recreate her brain, Theresa will always remain in an unconscious, reflexive state, totally dependent upon others to feed her and care for her most private needs.

In a later opinion in the same case, the Second District further explained:

Although the physicians are not in complete agreement concerning the extent of Mrs. Schiavo's brain damage, they all agree that the brain scans show extensive permanent damage to her brain. The only debate between the doctors is whether she has a small amount of isolated living tissue in her cerebral cortex or whether she has no living tissue in her cerebral cortex.

[ Thursday, March 24, 2005 02:09: Message edited by: ef ]

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
The Universe in General
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #25
Someone gave a link in a similar discussion long ago. Here it is:
The Official String Theory Web Site

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Two years to the day. in General
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #11
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If she hadn't fallen down, I doubt she would have been run over. It's hard to see out of a bulldozer.
I quote an eyewitness:

"I just want to quickly dispel a few myths you may have heard in the media. She did not "trip and fall" in front of the bulldozer. She sat down in front of it, well in advance, wearing one of the orange flouro jackets I got in Amsterdam. (By the way, I took the pictures you may have seen of her, standing with the megaphone in front of the bulldozer, and the ones of her friends helping her.)

He clearly saw her, and continued to drive until she was forced onto the top of the dirt he was pushing, elevating her so much that she was at eye level with the bulldozer's cab, he could see right into her eyes. He continued forward, pulling her underneath the dirt, and out of his vision. He continued forward, crushing her underneath the weight of the blade. He continued forward, until she was well underneath the bulldozer. It was then quite clear that she was nowhere but underneath him, but he proceded to back up, without lifting the blade, crushing her again.

I believe that it was the combination of these two crushings together that caused her death."

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Geneforge 3 Questions in General
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #28
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Here it is definitely illegal to hire a prostitute.
Alorael, how astonishing. I didn't know nations survived without prostitution, it seems so much just a fact of life. How does yours handle the issue?

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Bassikava in Blades of Avernum
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #17
I did. Should be in your mailbox by now.

Edit:
I don't like the message in the second pic, as it seems to indicate that the crash may not be due to a bug (in the game itself), but to muddled interaction between Windows and the BoA.exe. I got the same message in Perfect Forest (the Lost Mine crash), and Stareye was never able to trace that error properly.

It is interesting that Win 98 does not have that problem (FAT 32 system). Win 2000 is a mixture of NT and FAT 32, it has both, which makes it more stable then 98, and on the other hand more compatible then XP.

[ Wednesday, March 16, 2005 22:25: Message edited by: ef ]

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Polaris
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Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Bassikava in Blades of Avernum
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #15
Sorry to doublepost.
Kel, how do I save a crash? I mean, I can save before the cutscene. But once it starts, I have to wait for it to end before saving again, and that is when the crash occurs.

Anyway, file sent.

I give you the pics:
IMAGE(http://fritze.leukefeld.com/crash1.bmp)
IMAGE(http://fritze.leukefeld.com/crash2.bmp)

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Polaris
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Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Bassikava in Blades of Avernum
Guardian
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Profile #14
I'll play through it again and send you a file.

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Polaris
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Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Bassikava in Blades of Avernum
Guardian
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Profile #12
I'm on Win 2000. I don't experience the Kahssper crash when I sanctify the altar before I go to see him. In that case, the cutscene plays and all is well.

When I go to see him first, his last passage before the crash is:
"The ghosts are here because the soldiers activated a curse. They are here to inflict vengeance on all living things who intrude." He gives you a long look. "Including you."

[ Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:53: Message edited by: ef ]

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Polaris
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Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Backwater Calls submitted. in Blades of Avernum
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #56
Yes, but in the case of a non native speaker it would be helpful, if beta-testers made it very clear that spelling and grammar have to be worked on, even if they do not mail all errors.
Smoo has quite a knack for story-telling, that he got his through inspite of all the errors and bugs. I really look forward to his next scenario.

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Polaris
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16 but MS-DOS error in Tech Support
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #9
You started something, SkeleTony.. :)
Quite a few members have that problem. It wouldn't be so bad, if spidweb offered a download of this precious file on their own website.

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