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written Wednesday, March 16 2005 22:12
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quote:I have to take issue with your use of the male pronoun. Not everyone who hates sex is male -- look at Valerie Solanas. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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E Equals MC What!!!!
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written Wednesday, March 16 2005 22:28
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'He' is the accepted standard pronoun when the gender of the person in question is not certain and in the absence of silly political correctness. Also, I'm fairly sure the guy was joking. -------------------- Sex is easier than love. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, March 16 2005 22:32
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Ordinarily I'd let it slide, but when the issue at hand is about the relations between the sexes, acknowledging that both sexes generally face much the same issues is probably worthwhile. Also, who's "the guy"? If you mean s.t, s.t's female. If you mean Solanas, she's female too, and considering she shot Andy Warhol she must have been at least a little serious. [ Wednesday, March 16, 2005 22:34: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Wednesday, March 16 2005 23:56
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quote:Alorael, how astonishing. I didn't know nations survived without prostitution, it seems so much just a fact of life. How does yours handle the issue? -------------------- Polaris Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00 |
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Post Navel Trauma ^_^
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 00:05
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At a guess, by hiring prostitutes illegally. [ Thursday, March 17, 2005 00:06: Message edited by: Khoth ] -------------------- Barcoorah: I even did it to a big dorset ram. desperance.net - Don't follow this link Posts: 1798 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 07:06
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Actually i just think its disgusting, but that's an argument for another day. But yes, I am a he. And having an uptight, anti-sex president is still probably more likely than having a female president, sadly. Posts: 27 | Registered: Thursday, February 24 2005 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 07:21
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Poot: Don't worry about HOTU. As Alo pointed out, they offer to take games out if someone complains, and they have done just that a few times. Meaning, that you can't download them, not that they're not listed. Fringy: What aspect of sex will you make illegal? All of it? With anybody and anything? Even the self-congratulatory kind? Even with brock walls? Even with plaster walls? Even with mangoes and mongoose? Alien? Tentacle? How do you define sex? As the coitus only, or more? Is kissing sex? Making out? Oral? G.S? M.S? And, if all sex becomes illegal, don't you think that may make people more likely to rape? Or maybe this will create a complete paradigm shift in the evolution of humanity? Anyway, so far I'm reserving my vote until I hear a little more about your proposition. Good luck with your campaign. Illegality: Is prostitution illegal in all the states of the Union? Here in Venezuela it is legal. Prostitutes are encourage to have a little pink slip which shows they've had a check up. It's also cheap, as youn can imagine from a country with a devaluated coin. Well, cheap if you bring dollars, or euros, or any other strong coinage. There's also a decent variety in gender and sexual orientation. I don't think putting a link to one of the "exclusive" services in this city would be a good idea (probably very bad), but, if you're interested and older than 18, you may find it. You only need to think of the name of the capital of this country, a word that rhymes with proxy and the usual dot com. There's no nakedness in that page, in case you're of curious, yet prude. Illegality, part II: As I've mentioned before, here piracy is a non-existent concept. We have street vendors (imagine a flea market, but instead of being in a warehouse or parking lot, it is scattered across entire sections of the city all over the boardwalks) who sell ripped DVDs, games (any and all kind of console game/DVDs available for good, hard earned cash in other countries), CDs, books (the father on a friend of mine has a "publishing" house in Colombia that prints illegal copies of books. We're not a well-read nation (the complete, utter and absolute contrary), but some do make it here once in a while. This guy publishes a bunch of these and then the street vendors sell them. These are sold, as I mentioned, in the boardwalks, or also in the "freeways" during traffic hours (pretty much the whole day)). As an example: H.P #5 took forever to come out in Spanish. The official version. They sold an illegal one less than a month after the English version came out. One happened to fall on my lap and I read the first page. . . describing the translation as horrible is a compliment. As you can imagine these illegal things are ridiculously cheap. How cheap you ask? CDs--> 2 bucks. (less if you buy a bunch) DVDs/Games--> About 5 bucks. (see parenthesis above) Books--> Between 2 and 5 bucks. HP was 5, as was the "Dacrappincci Code." Clothes--> Levi's, Tommy, etc, imitations. Cheapo. About 10 bucks for Levi's, about 15 bucks for a Tommy shirt. (Detour: Oh, and of course, you can also buy craploads of stuff for Santeria, but that is not illegal, just fake (unless you believe in that sort of thing) Visiting Santeros here is funny sometimes. They even read you life and future after smoking a big ass joint. I mean BIG ASS.) Illegality, part III: This refers to prostitution. Child prostitution, while not huge like in other places, is big enough (which for me is one case or more, but that's just me) to be noticeable. It is illegal though. But the kind of illegal thing that it's easy to find by asking one or two key people. Illegality, part the Fourth: you can carry guns. You do not have to show them, in fact it's seen as a bit of a smug faux pas if you do. It makes you to be too much of a Macho Fool Silly Craphead Idiot. As machista as this country is, we do have our standards. At least in the city. In the country, sure, show your gun and hold your rifle. Addendum: the only ones who show their guns in public are the law enforcement officers (from security guards to big bad ass moo moo mama Oh Oh Look At Me OOOOOH military people (the last refers to the military here, not necessarily elsewhere)) who not only showcase their big guns, but make it as ostentatious as possible. It makes me feel anything but safe when I see in the street a PM guy walking around swinging his AK. These people may have small dangling fellows. Or some kind of lack of vitamins or something missing in their lives. Salud! -------------------- quote:Random Jack Vance Quote Manual Generator Apparatus (Cugel's Saga) Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 07:37
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Fringy: let me guess. You're under the age of sixteen, right? It'd be interesting to see what you think in about ten or fifteen years. Others: yes, prostitution is illegal in pretty much the entire United States. I think it's legal in Nevada (heartland of the casinos), but I'm not sure. We deal with it partly by making huge amounts of pornography, which often enjoys a semi-legal status, since it cannot be shown on normal TV and must have protections on the Internet and in video stores against distribution to people under the age of 18 (or 21 in some places). We also deal with it partly by having substantial amounts of illegal prostitution in various places. I've always thought America's stand on sexual things is in general pretty uptight and stupid, in particular when compared to Europe. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 09:41
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quote:I second that. I was a late bloomer and wasn't attracted at all to women until around fifteen or so. But once I felt that first glimmer of attraction, things really began to take off. Just let those hormones do their job, Fringy, and I highly doubt you'll find sex disgusting for long. -------------------- Stughalf "Delusion arises from anger. The mind is bewildered by delusion. Reasoning is destroyed when the mind is bewildered. One falls down when reasoning is destroyed."- The Bhagavad Gita. Posts: 1798 | Registered: Sunday, October 5 2003 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 09:48
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I would generally assume that statistically females would be more likely to have issues with sex than males. Being that sex is more emotional for women that men, and women tend to be on the receiving end of that sort of trauma. That's not to say that men don't suffer the same abuse as women do, it's is either much less often or not spoken of. "They" could have been in place of "he." A guy I knew a long time a go would tell me that in Nevada prostitution is legal, but not on the streets. He would refer to them as "classier prostitutes." They would be in a hotel of sorts. You rent a room and a partner for the evening. He said it could get very expensive. The upside to this is that the girls are checked by a doctor, protection is mandatory, and there are guards within earshot. Note that this is secondhand information and I cannot confirm anything. I agree with Fringy in that the odds of a female president are slim to none. Especially considering that Americans are becoming republican, and in complete ignorance inflicting Bush on the world . Trying to get a female democrat into office will only lead to a male republican. Though they may go the other way and vote for her simply for being female and not for being qualified. [ Thursday, March 17, 2005 09:51: Message edited by: Dolphin ] -------------------- Nena Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 10:03
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I don't like discussing this subject, because I wish not to be reminded of the preposterous, morbid sex desire of some people. I do not see why prostitution should be illegal. If those low-minded women wish to sell their dignity and crush their self-image, then let them. I doubt, however, that they would have the intelligence to feel the slightest sense of inferiority. Blissful are the poor-minded. quote:That rhetoric is agonizing. You willingly shackled yourself to testosteron? [ Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:16: Message edited by: Mind ] Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 10:17
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quote:Care to specify which sorts of sexual desires you find morbid or offensive? Or are you truly disgusted by the nearly universal human desire for a mate? EDIT: It was hardly a conscious choice, Mind, just something that happened naturally and was out of my control. Although sexual desire has caused more than a little frustration in my life, I'd much rather fulfill my desires than force myself to deny them. What's so horrible about wanting to have sex, I'd like to ask? [ Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:22: Message edited by: This Glass Is Half Stugie ] -------------------- Stughalf "Delusion arises from anger. The mind is bewildered by delusion. Reasoning is destroyed when the mind is bewildered. One falls down when reasoning is destroyed."- The Bhagavad Gita. Posts: 1798 | Registered: Sunday, October 5 2003 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 10:43
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Dolphin: If I understood well what you were describing, that sounded like an Escort service. If that's the case, those things are all over the place in the States. They are indeed more expensive, and supposedly those who practice it take better care of themselves. I doubt the current state of Republicanism will last long. On the other hand, that may be an overdose of optimism talking. Stugie: 15 ain't that old. I've known people that didn't care one bit about sex or had any sexual urges until they were 21, or even older. -------------------- quote:Random Jack Vance Quote Manual Generator Apparatus (Cugel's Saga) Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 11:12
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quote:Sex desire isn't necessarily morbid, but many people have a morbid desire for sex, which shocks me greatly. Please forgive me if I am acting arrogant while debating. [ Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:13: Message edited by: Mind ] Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00 |
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E Equals MC What!!!!
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 11:36
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Prostitution is legal here in Australia, to varying degrees in different states. I'm right in the sex centre of Canberra, too. A brothel down the road from where I work burnt down not long ago. There are three porno shops within a 200 metre radius of the church I go to. I think we also have the largest adult store in the Southern Hemisphere in the same suburb. For the record, I'm strongly opposed to both prostitution and pornography. Edit: Thuryl, I was referring to Fringy's original statement. [ Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:40: Message edited by: Ash Lael ] -------------------- Sex is easier than love. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 11:59
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Yes; this became obvious after the other 3 people who replied apparently had no difficulty figuring out who you were referring to. I'll endeavour to post only whilst more lucid in future. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 15:24
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quote:[drunken post]I find prostitution rather disgusting and would never hire one. As for pornography, I'm all for it.[/drunken post] -------------------- Stughalf "Delusion arises from anger. The mind is bewildered by delusion. Reasoning is destroyed when the mind is bewildered. One falls down when reasoning is destroyed."- The Bhagavad Gita. Posts: 1798 | Registered: Sunday, October 5 2003 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 15:45
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I don't like the idea of prostitution, but I don't see a problem with pornography. I don't watch it or take part in it, but I have no problem in other people doing so. -------------------- Nena Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00 |
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Bob's Big Date
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 16:26
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Prostitution is not illegal in all 50 states. In fact, state laws outlawing prostitution are actually reasonably uncommon; the responsibility to enforce prostitution usually falls to the county or township. In 2004, for instance, a county in northern Nevada voted for Bush with 80% prevalence, and by a similar margin voted in favor of repealing local laws which forbid them from running a bordello. (If John Kerry had won the election that would feel far less like gallows humor to me.) Personally, I believe outlawing prostitution is immoral, both from a socialist-egalitarian point of view and a libertarian point of view. Socially, outlawing it is not going to fix anything, it's just going to make the lives of prostitutes (usually girls in utter destitution) much, much worse than they already are; legally, it's an infringement on personal liberties as lurid and illogical as outlawing bondage. What we need to do is twofold: first, attack the sources of prostitution. Eliminate the social mechanisms which create miserable poverty, and guarantee a living income to all residents of the U.S. (and, hopefully, the Earth). Then, socialize it. Those few who would still want to go into hookering would work for a state office, which would bug-and-background check johns beforehand. This would provide the government with extra revenues, ensure the prostitutes were treated humanely, and curb the spread of STDs pretty drastically. I, for one, would be pretty happy about never again having to hear about streetwalkers getting cut up by psychopaths, having seven kids before the age of 25, or dying of AIDS, or all three. Doesn't matter that I'd never solicit a prostitute myself and would discourage others from doing the same; they've had effective anti-soliciting laws on the books since the Enlightenment, sometimes much more forceful than ours today, and yet it remains as strong as ever. If we can't kill the issue, we might as well protect the people. [ Thursday, March 17, 2005 16:28: Message edited by: Bad-Ass Mother Custer ] -------------------- The biggest, the baddest, and the fattest. Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 16:53
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^Nice. Mind- How can you condemn the prostitutes themselves (as opposed to the system)? I know girls who would, I think, qualify for your 'debasement' and they aren't paid to do so. I suppose that in your opinion the payment is part of the issue, but I have problems with that too. Prostitution is an option when there aren't any others. I'm hardly going to go out and walk the street in four (or less) years cause I feel like a little extra cash. -------------------- Rosy again Polaris - Fun in the City My BoE Dialogue Pix - Talking to the Wall Posts: 12 | Registered: Thursday, March 17 2005 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 17:48
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quote:You have places where they enforce prostitution? :P ... Sorry. -------------------- The Encyclopaedia Ermariana <-- Now a Wiki! "Polaris leers down from the black vault, winking hideously like an insane watching eye which strives to convey some strange message, yet recalls nothing save that it once had a message to convey." --- HP Lovecraft. "I single Aran out due to his nasty temperament, and his superior intellect." --- SupaNik Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 20:36
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I once heard that pornography is better paid prostitution. Prostitution, as a concept, is not the problem, and I think it serves a need. Some people may find it hard to have sex on their own for whatever reason. Or maybe they suck at it and need some practice. Or any other number of reasons. As has been stated above plenty of times, most recently by Alec, it's the conditions in which they work, and the dangers they are subjected to, that is execrable. -------------------- quote:Random Jack Vance Quote Manual Generator Apparatus (Cugel's Saga) Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00 |
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written Thursday, March 17 2005 23:30
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People who work in the sex industry are, by and large, paid to do things they'd mostly rather not do if money weren't involved. This isn't so different from most forms of paid employment. It's not glamorous, but it doesn't have to be seen as degrading either (at least, no more so than plenty of other jobs that can be unpleasant or even disgusting at times). There is, however, no excuse for it to be less safe than it can be -- and an unregulated sex industry is dangerous both for prostitutes and for their clients. (Since I'm in a mood for stating the obvious, I'd just like to say that this thread has gone amazingly off-topic, even by the standards of these forums.) [ Thursday, March 17, 2005 23:32: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Friday, March 18 2005 00:02
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quote:Since it's generally one-to-many, it's cheaper for the customer and better paid for the service provider. In practice, the supply is also greater, so there goes your big money. Marriage is the best paid form of prostitution, at least if you're in the USA and have a good lawyer. Posts: 950 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Friday, March 18 2005 05:15
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Dammit, you see I pull a 12 hour shift at work, and I miss a whole page of assumptions about me. To assure those nay-sayers in the group, i have indeed hit puberty. If I wasn't graduating from college in about a month, then I might have agreed with you about the "late bloomer" theory. Seriously though, making it through first year of university with no sex scared me into thinking i was a wannabe catholic. just without all the jesus-loving. Oh and to continue with the discussion concurrently in progress, Prostitution is illegal in Canada. But if you're ever in Toronto and want to head over to the Red Light District, its called "Jarvis Street". [ Friday, March 18, 2005 05:28: Message edited by: Fringy MacGee ] Posts: 27 | Registered: Thursday, February 24 2005 08:00 |
