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Geneforge 4:rebellion. in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Sunday, March 4 2007 22:53 Profile Homepage #15
To be fair, the Shaper ending didn't imply (at least to me) that the PC did it for personal gain. Certainly, pretty much every character in the game, both Shaper and rebel, thought you were in it to save your own skin, but that's to be expected when you're working as a double agent.

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Question about EYE ROAD in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Member # 869
 written Sunday, March 4 2007 18:43 Profile Homepage #3
If all else fails, cast Essence Armor and Augmentation, put on your best energy-resistance gear, have your creations stand well clear, and run through. If you're careful to trigger only one pylon at a time, it's survivable even if you're a lifecrafter who's never put points in Endurance.

To get across that bridge in the northwest, you need to have done the refugee quests back in the Fens.

[ Sunday, March 04, 2007 18:46: Message edited by: Cryptozoology ]

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Titan's Halls location...? [SPOILER] in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Sunday, March 4 2007 18:35 Profile Homepage #4
quote:
Originally written by Dark Mage:

And talking about that Titan, how does it looks like?
It has three forms: one is like a golem, one is like an Ur-Drakon and one is like an artila.

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Playing as the Vahnatai (?) in General
Thuryl
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 written Sunday, March 4 2007 18:34 Profile Homepage #13
I think troglodytes are actually the most plausible PC race on that list. They're not particularly overpowered, and there's no real evidence that they're stupid -- their mages are almost as good as human mages, and better than nephilim. I'm not sure how many people would actually want to play one, though.

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Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Domain change for Shadow Vale in General
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Sunday, March 4 2007 18:27 Profile Homepage #3
Did you clear this new domain name with Jeff before registering it? I doubt he'd get too huffy about it, but it seems like it'd be worth doing.

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Chitrach Attack in Avernum 4
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Sunday, March 4 2007 13:04 Profile Homepage #14
Slartyphobia and Chitrachballons are the same person. People around here change names a lot. It pays to take note of member numbers.

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Geneforge 4:rebellion. in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Sunday, March 4 2007 00:29 Profile Homepage #3
If you don't use canisters, it's actually possible to betray the Rebellion at the very end and still survive. Admittedly, you still end up exiled to the Forsaken Lands for life, but at least it's something.

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Exile I, Graymold Salve in The Exile Trilogy
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Sunday, March 4 2007 00:28 Profile Homepage #1
It's been a while, but I think you only need an alchemy skill of about 8 or 9. If you have the recipe and the graymold, you can make it the way you make any other potion -- there's a button or a menu option for it somewhere.

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Playing as the Vahnatai (?) in General
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Saturday, March 3 2007 22:13 Profile Homepage #6
quote:
Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

It's interesting because I've seen people complain that this would take away the mystery of the vahnatai, but I've also seen those same people complain that there is not enough known about the vahnatai to make them interesting characters.
Mostly, we're not so much complaining as restating Jeff's opinion by way of explanation as to why it won't happen.

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what is the best A game in The Avernum Trilogy
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Saturday, March 3 2007 19:01 Profile Homepage #41
On the Celtic side I'd also include the crones on the list of important people for you to kill.

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How to create an ornk? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Saturday, March 3 2007 15:39 Profile Homepage #7
It's still better value than a War Trall. :P

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Easter Egg in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Saturday, March 3 2007 15:33 Profile Homepage #8
The rewards are some very nice gauntlets and a useless but amusing canister.

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Monarch in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Saturday, March 3 2007 15:19 Profile Homepage #15
The servile technicians are in the rebel camp, but even Miranda tells you to go and try to get help from the rebels. There's no reputation requirement to get them, although there is a Leadership requirement.

Also, using a lot of canisters is going to come back and bite you if you're going for the Shaper ending.

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Zimbabwe. in General
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Saturday, March 3 2007 15:09 Profile Homepage #8
:rolleyes:

When Salmon says something like that, it's a fair bet that he's joking.

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On the Road to Weapons of Mass Destruction in General
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Saturday, March 3 2007 15:06 Profile Homepage #62
quote:
Originally written by Excalibur:

The satellite image is pretty convincing, unfotunately the website is being redone. So until then, I can't show you Project Von Bora.
A "rectangular object" isn't going to be enough to convince me of much of everything. Some people think the Face on Mars is pretty convincing evidence that there was an advanced alien civilisation on Mars; I regard such people as crackpots, and I should hope you do too.

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Hey Dintiradan you forgot the best scripture for this debate.

John 1:1-2
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
Whatever this passage is referring to, it is quite clearly not referring to the Bible. Whether or not the Bible is the small-w word of God, the Bible is clearly not actually God. To equate the two is idolatrous.

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anti canister rebel in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Saturday, March 3 2007 04:10 Profile Homepage #1
You can get training in shaping from Shaper Duncan in Rivergate Keep (the big fort in Dillame, where you meet Alwan). You'll need to have talked to Alwan, and to have a half-decent reputation with the Shapers.

There aren't any more rebel trainers who will teach you shaping. So if you're a no-canister lifecrafter, staying friendly enough with the Shapers to get training from them is pretty much essential, at least up to chapter 3 (which means you have to get the quest from Alwan to repair Moseh and report back to him after resolving it -- note that even if you kill Moseh, you can still report to Alwan and get passage to the next Shaper camp).

If you're just going for low canisters, you can scrape by with only one canister of each of the creation types you're definitely going to use and not have any serious ill effects as long as you don't use canisters for anything else. (As for which creations you should pick throughout the game, Vlish, Drayk, Wingbolt, Gazer and Drakon are all good choices, but you probably don't need both Wingbolt and Gazer.)

As for spells, there are a number of people who can teach you: Burkes in Chickweed Bridge, the mage in Therile Colony and the drayk in Illya Safehouse are your three main options at this point. If you're going to buy spells from the drayk, do his quest first for lower prices.

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Avernum 1 Singleton in The Avernum Trilogy
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Saturday, March 3 2007 01:40 Profile Homepage #10
Natural Mage makes all your spells better, but the improvement is negligible. In BoA, at least, NM is equivalent to about 5 levels of bonus, which means your spells do, say, 10 points more damage. It's not worth taking just for the spell bonus, IMHO.

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On the Road to Weapons of Mass Destruction in General
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Saturday, March 3 2007 01:36 Profile Homepage #58
quote:
Originally written by Synergy:

and hating your neighbor because he is gay or had an abortion.
If your gay neighbour had an abortion, he likely has bigger things to worry about than whether you hate him or not. :P

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Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
The best creations? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Friday, March 2 2007 18:15 Profile Homepage #34
In my experience, a higher-tier creation will always survive much, much better than a lower-tier creation. A Drakon costs about as much essence as two Drayks, and has as much HP as both of them put together -- the two Drayks will do more total damage per round, but only if you keep them alive (a Wingbolt, for example, can kill an unprotected Drayk in one hit). I generally switched to a higher tier whenever I was consistently having difficulty keeping lower-tier creations from dying.

I agree that wingbolts are generally better value than gazers, though.

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The canister effect... in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Friday, March 2 2007 15:26 Profile Homepage #27
You have to break his baton when you get the option to do so. If you don't get the option to do so, it's because you haven't rescued Khyryk yet. Go do that.

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Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
what is the best A game in The Avernum Trilogy
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Friday, March 2 2007 15:22 Profile Homepage #30
Obligatory Alorael double-post post.

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Phariton = Monarch? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 21:43 Profile Homepage #11
Well, the Sealed Catacombs are full of canisters. He had to get them from somewhere. It's unlikely he found them anywhere near the area where G4 takes place, since they're an unusual type -- almost all the other canisters in the game just give you spells or creations, but the Sealed Catacombs ones raise your stats.

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Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
what is the best A game in The Avernum Trilogy
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 20:50 Profile Homepage #19
ET, when you say things like "the blandness added to the atmosphere", it becomes fairly obvious that you're trolling.

Besides, we all know that you only like A3 best because you've got the hots for <s>Calista</s>Rentar.

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Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Did you feel herded? (*spoilers included*) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 20:46 Profile Homepage #17
quote:
Originally written by Alberich:

If Jeff had added just a couple of lines to General Alwan - "I'm pretty sure you can help Moseh without the Rebels finding out, but other than that I want you to maintain your contacts with them, because we'll need you to spy on them later" - I would never have attacked the Rebel camps (until the end of the game), never found out the things I mentioned. The illusion would have been preserved.
General Crowley tells you the first time you meet him that you have to maintain your cover as a rebel:

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question = "Now that I am aiding you, can you keep Shaper soldiers from attacking me?";
text1 = "_No. It is true that you are a highly valued asset. However, what makes you so valuable is the fact that you are a secret agent in the rebel ranks._";
text2 = "_If I go around telling every Shaper soldier that you are helping us, then the rebels are sure to find out somehow. So you will have to avoid Shaper soldiers as best you can. Or defend yourself, if absolutely necessary._";
In the absence of further orders to the contrary, that's what you should have been doing.

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Phariton = Monarch? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 20:37 Profile Homepage #9
quote:
Originally written by Vicheron:

If it was the PC from the first game then the Shapers would at least suspect.
... and if they did know, they'd have some very good reasons to lie.

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Plus the PC from the first game never learned how to make canisters.
A long time has passed between G1 and G4.

I don't really think that Monarch was meant to be the PC from G1, but he's less unlikely than any other candidate.

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