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Guardian
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written Friday, March 2 2007 07:52
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quote:What Nikki said. Don't get me wrong, I like A1 and A3 as well, and parts of A1 and A3 I like better than parts of A2. But, overall, I just had a bit more fun playing A2 than I did A1 and A3. -------------------- Meta is a Greek word meaning "I will try to impress you by using Greek words". - Peter van der Linden Posts: 1509 | Registered: Tuesday, January 10 2006 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, March 2 2007 07:55
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quote:I don't consider a battle epic just because you are having hordes and hordes of foot soldiers thrown at you. I mean epic boss battles. You guys talk about atmosphere, how about the Rentar/Erika duel, in which your measly characters were powerless, your only goal to survive long enough to reach that panel. I also thought the alien slime was cool, despite not being particularly difficult. quote:I already admited the Empire Forts were cool (none of them were in Dark Waters) but I still think Avernum 3's dungeons are superior. The Filth Factory is my personal favorite, but how about all those artifact dungeons. I'll admit Avernum 3 loses points for not having the Tower of Shifting Floors, but still. quote:But you did win the war single-handedly, without Gharzad and that portal, the Empire was hurting. And I thought you liked underdog stories? Weren't you intimidated by the fact that you had to accuse not one, but three of the most powerful being in the world of making the mosters? Crossing that bridge to see the legendary Erika only to accuse her of a crime, or wading through lava to meet the most powerful of dragons, knowing you're about to piss her off, that's atmosphere. Edit: Really, the 'Vahnatai war machine" was pretty much just Rentar and a couple of friends (whom you quickly dispatched). That's why I liked Avernum 4 so much, too. You had the feeling when you met her that she was really lonely, no one was helping her, and she was hurt by that. You beat her because she was one mage, powerful, but still one mage. [ Friday, March 02, 2007 07:59: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ] -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, March 2 2007 10:24
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Both Avernums (actually, all three) have some great dungeons. Let's call it a wash. A2 has Garzahd (twice), Angierach's assorted nasties, Limoncelli, the Ziggurat, and Gaddika. All of those fights make sense in the plot and provide a real challenge. A3 has the Bojar, the Alien Slime, Elhioc, the huge battles between the troglos and giants (the best of the game, in my opinion, even though you don't have to do anything but run), the crystal in the Golem Factory, three crystal souls you aren't supposed to kill, and Rentar. Most of the fights aren't too exciting, really. Mystery? Maybe, but A3's plot is so unobtrusive that you can ignore it until the answer is handed to you on a silver plate. It also becomes fairly obvious from the increasingly heavy evidence (not the special item evidence, things like vahnatai cloaks left here and there) from the Filth Factory onwards. —Alorael, who would actually strongly recommend starting with A1 rather than A2. It's best to start with the beginning, and A1 isn't much worse at all. In fact, the only thing it's really missing is a quest log. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Friday, March 2 2007 15:21
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Was Limoncelli harder in Exile 2 or Avernum 2? Posts: 1233 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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written Friday, March 2 2007 15:22
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Obligatory Alorael double-post post. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, March 2 2007 19:52
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quote:He was harder to get to in Exile since if you wanted to maximize looting, then you have to fight the first level more than once to reach the upper floor. Avernum 2 simply increased the patrols outside after you start attacking the fort. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Saturday, March 3 2007 03:51
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Avernum 3 because the storyline was simply more interesting Posts: 28 | Registered: Wednesday, October 31 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Saturday, March 3 2007 13:36
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quote:I think these were the hardest fight ever. I actually had to save, edit my characters back to health, and reload a few times for this one. quote:Well, that's kind of harsh. I don't even think you believe that. What makes you say this? The Garzahd fights were some of the worst in the series. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the man and his work, but he had a crappy final battle compared to Rentar and even Hawthorne. His whole final fortress was boring, too. Limoncelli was pretty cool, but mostly because of the little description boxes that came up describing what he looked like and how he died. Avernum 3 had the Tower of Zkal (not only an awesome dungeon but a real challenge for those masochists out there), that one drake's castle, and lets not forget the Monestary of Madness (you know you love it). -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Saturday, March 3 2007 14:14
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quote:Garzahd's final battle sucked in A2 because it wasn't designed to be fought like that. Garzahd's stats in E2 were drastically different, and the suggested method for beating him (mindduelling) was purged entirely from A2. The fortress wasn't great, but were the others better? At least it wasn't full of pylons. Agreed about Limocelli, though. He was done well. [ Saturday, March 03, 2007 14:14: Message edited by: 227 Chitrachballons ] -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Saturday, March 3 2007 14:20
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Both the games have great dungeons. It's not worth bringing them all up. My objections to A3's important battles? In order... Bojar was a generic wizard who happened to get a name. Quick fight, nothing special. The Alien slime is just a lot of pounding with occasional detours to kill the spawned slimes. Boring and not difficult. Elhioc was at least hard. The golem crystal was hard to fight, but it's more of a puzzle since you can kill it with lasers and not get your hands dirty. Rentar should be an "epic" fight, but you're not actually supposed to kill her. She summons faster than you can kill. The result is that it's pointless to actually engage in combat. All you do is slog slowly towards the control panel. —Alorael, who doesn't actually think Avernum has any truly exciting and necessary battles. A4 started making fights more interesting, but before that there really just isn't much. The Ziggurat, the troglos and giants, and Rentar are huge battles, but otherwise they're nothing but more hack and slash. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Saturday, March 3 2007 14:26
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I think the golem factory is cool. You have to navigate through conveyor belts ad try not to fall into the lava pool in the center. -------------------- WWJD? Posts: 1384 | Registered: Tuesday, February 6 2007 08:00 |
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Canned
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written Saturday, March 3 2007 14:36
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Avernum 2 was the best in my opinion. A3 was too...simple. A2 was more creative, and the plot was better too. (and I am voting like crazy, I even voted excalibur as 3star) Edit -fixed the typo [ Saturday, March 03, 2007 14:37: Message edited by: Infernal Flamming Muffin ] -------------------- I can transform into almost anything, though not sanity. My brother tried to type something here. I just erased it. Posts: 1799 | Registered: Sunday, February 4 2007 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Saturday, March 3 2007 15:39
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quote:Bashing the whole series at once to disprove my points isn't proving how Avernum 2 is the best. I still don't understand what you see in it. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Saturday, March 3 2007 15:43
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Isn't it marvelous how incomprehensibly different we all are? -S- AFTERTHOUGHT: Except you people who like A2 the best. You're all the same. [ Saturday, March 03, 2007 15:44: Message edited by: Synergy ] -------------------- A4 Items • A4 Singleton • G4 Items • G4 Forging • G4 Infiltrator • NR Items • The Lonely Celt Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Saturday, March 3 2007 18:21
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quote:In E3, yes. In A3, conveyor belts were replaced by lasers as the golem gimmick. The Factory is therefore much less glitchy but stilll mind-bendingly frustrating, and only sometimes in a good way. quote:I've explained what I see in it, and you obviously disagree. Bashing the whole series wasn't trying to prove my point, it was a commentary on the battles as a whole. They range from mindless to challenging and somewhat interesting, but there really aren't any that made me really think that something incredibly neat was being done. —Alorael, who now thinks back on Nethergate and realizes that one of its strengths is that it relies very little on killing a single important enemy. The only important killings are Castle Aethdoc, which can involve more subtle assassination; Samael, who isn't a fight at all; and the final battle in the Spire of Ages, which also isn't really about critical characters. The most important enemies you face are your four counterparts that you never meet. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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written Saturday, March 3 2007 19:01
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On the Celtic side I'd also include the crones on the list of important people for you to kill. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Saturday, March 3 2007 20:10
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Between those that play these games only for the combat and those like Alorael who don't seem to know the meaning of the word battle, I'm going to have to agree with Synergy on this one. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Tuesday, March 6 2007 06:42
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Exile three started me off on Spidweb games. I have a soft spot for Avernum three because of that. I also like how huge the world is, especially compared to Avernum. Avernums still great, I just find I explore everything fairly quickly. Posts: 7 | Registered: Wednesday, February 28 2007 08:00 |
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