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Originally written by Major:

No, I haven't. But any debate I've gotten into with my friends, I normally come out on top.

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Originally written by GremlinJoe:

Worst Man Ever, how on earth ever did you get so much faith in the human race? Humanity has strayed greatly from God. And its logic and reasoning in an affront to right minded creatures everywhere.

And justification of faith, There is a difference between why it is the good or right thing as opposed to why it makes sense.

And God didn't create the world by wisdom alone. I also think that this may mean that he had a plan for it as well as setting its parameters. And his wisdom is far from universal since the fall of man. Very far, quite higher in fact.

Human logic is not a product of God, it is a perversion. God invented logic but all the natural man has is corrupted logic fit only for life in this world. Ridiculous and corrupt logic for a fallen and screwed up world.

God does want people to believe first. Its in the new testament.

Glory of creation? Its only a memory, a rusted out former world champion race car with no engine and no wheels has more glory than this world itself still retains. And by the way there is a lot of logic to Judaism and Christianity but I left that out because it was different from the world's logic, which has no part with it. God did not by the wisdom found in the world do anything and that's obvious by everything about how he operates. Example: He stays hidden instead of showing everyone that he exists.

I didn't say coincidenses were the reason God existed I said that it appears to worldly minded people that thats all there is when confronted with non-solid evidence. Example: A situation of extremely unlikly occurences changing the outcome of a situation right when a person prays to God to do so. With eyewitnesses to it all. Meaning that if I asked God to do anything in front of you and it happened, unless you at some point admited that God did it, all there is in your eyes is a coincidence. And in a way, logically so. But which logic would you be going by? What I'm saying is on point of view from patterns of thinking.

Gravity can be measured can't it? Gravitational force? You can definatly see it in action at any given time. You are bound by it in many ways. What is there between evolution and Gravity? Something measurable, detectable, essential, vs something no one has yet to find any hint of the existance of outside of coincidence. My argument here being on what a religion is. Evolution is no more a science then Catholicism. Science has lost its way.

So evolution can be explained can it? Then why does the story of how it happened have to change every ten years as someone finds another horrendous flaw with it that makes it look more ridiculous to the intelligent mind than any other thing to date. Even by this world's reasoning there is no logic to it. Unless you just throw all real and true science out the window.

There is no more evidence of evolution happening in the English Peppermoth than there is evidence of God creating it.

Sorry I don't have perfect English your majesty.

I know that real science is more than just hollow and pointless philosophy used as an argument against ligitimate religion, or an feeble excuse to feel proud of one's self for being the most advanced creature in the known world. Do You?

Body of evidence, Where is there evidence of evolution where there is none of creation?

And furthermore, I don't care if its true or not but it is an embarassment to the scientific community and they don't seem to realize it.

And don't give me a lecture on objective truth, the truth is its foolish to have an image of the universe conformed to your view of things. I have no view of the universe except what God tells me, Thats a lot better than putting getting my view of the universe from a bunch of highly educated insects and my own faulty perceptions. By the way, I don't go by my own perceptions, I'd be wrong and foolish to try to say I have an idea whats going on in the universe as I know it, anyone who does only makes a fool of themselves.

Asinine, warped, ignorant, self-congratulatory, thank God I'm only vaguely annoying and not anything you should be worried about. But how am I self congratulatory? Do I really sound that conceited? Just because I tell things for the way they are doesn't make me proud of it. I don't do this to feel like I'm better than anyone. I'm more concerned with people thinking outside the box.

Coward? yes you're right. Thats why I stand up for what I believe in. And the state of my cerebral cortex is not open for debate anyway. For your information I do have brief periods of dyslexia. But I'm not going to give any medical information out on the net.

Edit: actually I have more dyslogia, but I do have BOTH. Okay, I'll be honest with you. I have suffered extensive damage to the temporal and frontal lobes. But that's no one's business. Ypu may not think so by how well I seem to do mentally but that is just an outward appearence. I actually tpye like very poorly. My poor english has an excuse! Just llok up what I have to go through in my everyday life on the wikipedia. You'll see that I have a lot to deal with and its not my fault if I repeat myself. I try not to.

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