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Very quick Geneforge 4: Rebellion Update. in Geneforge 4: Rebellion | |
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written Monday, November 13 2006 18:40
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Perhaps the reason you think the "concentric rings" are moving is because they are not, in fact, concentric rings. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
Very quick Geneforge 4: Rebellion Update. in Geneforge 4: Rebellion | |
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written Sunday, November 12 2006 05:20
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That is Inspector Peanut, the fluffy turtle that led his kind to the promised land below the sanity jar. Do you dislike him, Garrison? Then you shall likely feel his wrath when you least expect it. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
Very quick Geneforge 4: Rebellion Update. in Geneforge 4: Rebellion | |
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written Saturday, November 11 2006 07:41
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Do not underestimate the fluffy turtles, -X-. I once saw on the Discovery Channel a video of a steady stream of ants marching up a tree only to be devoured by a praying mantis. However, the ants eventually swarmed the mantis and tore it apart, after which they carried its parts back to their colony to eat. Remember that the next time you try to eat a fluffy turtle. They're smarter than you. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
The Spiderweb Art Movement. in General | |
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written Wednesday, November 8 2006 14:35
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Do you have that image in 1600x1200 (not scaled up) by any chance? -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
Any economists here? in General | |
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written Monday, November 6 2006 17:49
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http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301faessay85209/alan-s-blinder/offshoring-the-next-industrial-revolution.html An essay I came across while doing a research project for college. Here's the abstract: This article discusses the effects of offshoring, the migration of jobs from wealthy countries to poor countries. Comparative advantage comes from human effort rather than natural conditions, and can change over time. The information age marks a third industrial revolution, where the easy flow of information has expanded the scope of tradeable services and has altered distinctions between skill-levels in the labor market. As the domain of services expand, competition with other countries for services will expand as well. The increase of service jobs that can be performed electronically will, in turn, effect an increase in jobs that can be moved offshore from the U.S. This trend does not suggest massive unemployment, but instead suggests a massive shift toward the personal service industry in the U.S. Here's a bit more detail: As industrialized countries outsource all their manufacturing, agriculture, and impersonal service jobs, it leaves them with the personal service jobs (such as chefs, physicians, teachers, law enforcement, transportation, and other jobs that would suffer in quality if not handled by someone physically present) taking up the majority of the job market. This is an adjustment that can and must be made, even if it is difficult. Eventually, however, costs of these services will rise so high that demand will fall (because people won't be able to afford them). The essay seems to gloss over that last point, however. Am I correct in my analysis when I say that this "third Industrial Revolution" will result in industrialized nations' economies becoming very internalized and unstable? This would eventually lead to a reversal of the roles we now take for granted, namely that the "first world" countries will suffer economic crashes as countries like India and China become dominant. If the countries where we currently outsource our manufacturing jobs form an international "worker's union" of sorts and demand higher wages (they're bound to think of it eventually, and I'm not saying they shouldn't), and countries like India start directing their rapidly improving education toward the business sector, it seems like this is the inevitable outcome. Is my analysis correct? Is there any way to break the economic cycle that seems to be leading toward massive upheaval, or at least lessen its effects? Maybe if we pour funding into education and pass a government mandate requiring that all citizens working in jobs besides government administration and scientific and educational research work for part of the year in manufacturing, which perhaps would result in greater gainful employment while still bringing back inexpensive manufacturing jobs (probably not, grasping at straws here), it would help ease the problem. Maybe John Lennon was right and love is the only answer to all our problems. Any thoughts? I know I'm probably making absolutely no sense, but I'm tired and under a lot of stress from schoolwork, and thinking about this is only adding to my stress. I guess I'm doing this to transfer some of the hard thinking onto other people so I can stop worrying about it and get some work done. Or maybe I'm just procrastinating. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
BoE graphics compilation complete. in Blades of Exile | |
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written Tuesday, October 24 2006 14:37
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Hooray! Gill Whitehurst has two consecutive sections in 2x2 Humanoids. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
Spiderweb Music in General | |
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written Friday, October 20 2006 18:50
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A1 and A2 sound like something out of a Dire Straits song (I think I've said that before). I wasn't aware E1 had intro music. I believe it's just swords clanging. E2 is just a short harp glissando, although I suppose it's more musical than E1. I'd say either Nethergate or A2. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
No Harm Done: The Question of Morality in General | |
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written Monday, October 16 2006 05:25
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Umm... I don't know if any of you noticed, but I didn't argue that things that cause harm are wrong. Rather, I argued that things that do no harm have no practical reason to be considered wrong. I made a single statement to the effect of harm = wrong in the first unitalicized paragraph in my first draft, but the statement was removed in the revised draft. It's not the whims of one, SoT. It's the whims of many against the whims of many, with a surprising amount of overlap. I tried to find a study as to the specific statistics, but failed. Perhaps someone could find one? Tullegolar, surprisingly, makes a good point, and Thuryl extends it to a logical conclusion. Aran makes a good point as well, which is part of what leads me to my conclusions about swearing. You could be offended by anything at all. I could say "I'm offended by names" Would that mean that, to be polite, we should all refer to each other as "Hey, you"? I don't think it does. Note about the pedophilia: Read what I wrote. Think about it. Read it again. Understand what I'm saying. Then comment. Sexual abuse is sexual abuse. If the relationship is abusive, legally or not, then it is not covered by my argument. Even putting aside the fuzzy definition of "abuse", I specifically stated that I refer strictly to attraction to children and nothing further than that. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
No Harm Done: The Question of Morality in General | |
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written Sunday, October 15 2006 15:45
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Can you give me a rational argument as to why completely harmless behavior is wrong, then? Religious explanations by their very nature are irrational. Logic and emotion are what apply to the here and now, not the random whims of a god that may not even exist. Unless, of course, you can cite an example of something observably in this world that is clearly, unambiguously caused by a god. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
No Harm Done: The Question of Morality in General | |
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written Sunday, October 15 2006 12:33
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I'd say allowing wins because the reason for allowing is logical, while the reason for not allowing is irrational. [ Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:36: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ] -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
No Harm Done: The Question of Morality in General | |
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written Sunday, October 15 2006 12:23
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I only used footnote citation, didn't I? Unless you mean the explanatory comment about Crowley's article. Is that out of line? My English professor didn't say anything about it when she proofread my paper. [ Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:27: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ] -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
No Harm Done: The Question of Morality in General | |
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written Sunday, October 15 2006 11:33
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quote:Like this? "I believe this statement extends to all paraphilias. This is the point where I seem to differ the most from the rest of society. Specifically, I do not believe that pedophilia itself is immoral. It should be noted, however, that when I say “pedophilia,” I refer strictly to attraction to minors. I differentiate this from actual sexual abuse of children, which can cause great physical and emotional damage to the children involved, and which I do not intend to condone in any way, nor will I ever. However, I would go so far as to say that should a person be burdened with these urges, yet resists them because he knows it is wrong to molest a child (rather than simply because of fear of punishment), it would be a testament to his moral strength, rather than weakness. This is, of course, an unpopular opinion, but it makes logical sense. One cannot always control one's mind (for instance, people will often get an annoying song, such as William Hung's rendition of Ricky Martin's “She Bangs”, stuck in their heads), but one can usually control one's actions, and to hold people to a higher standard than this will cause a host of problems. The extent to which people will defy logic in an effort to justify their illogical morals is astounding. Granted, in my life, logic did not always rule my mind. It still doesn't sometimes, and it would be unreasonable to expect people to use logic at all times. We are only human, after all. Nevertheless, I feel we as a society should strive to use logic more than we currently do, and try not to force the illogical upon others. At times, my transformation from gullible fool to logical thinker was difficult, even painful. However, I feel that my vastly improved ability to use reason has improved my life far more than it has damaged it, and I will hopefully never go back. Maybe you, the reader, will be able to benefit from this as well." quote:Probably someone else. I didn't make it up. It's a fairly widespread joke. [ Sunday, October 15, 2006 11:38: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ] -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
No Harm Done: The Question of Morality in General | |
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written Sunday, October 15 2006 11:27
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quote:My overall rule is, as I stated in the essay, that morals should make logical sense, and more specifically, that morals stating that completely harmless things are wrong make no sense. As for nature and offense, you seem to have it somewhat backwards. While I don't think going with nature is always right (i.e. rape, which is perfectly natural, yet goes against my morals for the reasons I stated in the essay), I was actually arguing that the vague, inconsistent notion of "naturalness" is a bad qualifier for morality, not that nature is bad. Also, I argued that offense as a reaction to some words to the exclusion of their synonyms is the fault of the offended, not that it's "bad" to offend people. quote:Um... I'm not really sure whether you're being sarcastic or truthful here. If you're being sarcastic, it's a bit of a strawman (I think I fixed my own strawman a bit in the revised essay, by the way. Tell me what you think.), and you alternately support and contradict my position throughout. If you're serious, then I'm going to give you the benefit of a doubt and assume you're daft. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
No Harm Done: The Question of Morality in General | |
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written Sunday, October 15 2006 10:34
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I agree that religion doesn't have to be reasonable. What gets me is when people claim that it is reasonable, and make it a factor in the creation of public policy. Latest form of the essay: ------- No Harm Done – The Logic of Morality A personal essay by me I was 15 years old at the time. I had been reluctant to attend my CCD classes all along (I was actually kicked out for the year a couple times), and this feeling only increased as I grew disgusted with my family's religion. CCD stands for Confraternity of Christian Doctrine, which is basically a Catholic indoctrination school. The joke among those less enthused with the idea of spending another hour learning each week after already spending six hours each day in regular school was that CCD stood for Central City Dump, and in my opinion, it's equally as accurate a name as the official one. At some point, an event occurred which finally convinced me to stop wasting my time and set the construction of my current system of morals into motion. I had been attending CCD solely for the sake of achieving Holy Confirmation and therefore receiving presents from proud relatives. However, one Tuesday night, there was a class in which the teacher showed up and began preaching about how it is apparently a Hell-worthy sin to think “naughty thoughts,” even if you don't act on them. It was among the most illogical concepts I had ever heard. Certainly you harm nobody but yourself by these thoughts, unless, for some inexplicable reason, some completely unobservable deity gets hit with a divine brick every time these thoughts occur, a situation for which we are highly unlikely to find any evidence within our lifetimes anyway. Many religions will claim that these thoughts are wrong because they are “impure,” but they never actually say what “impure” means. Even if “impure” really has any meaning in this context, what person on Earth (besides Jesus of Nazareth, if you believe the church) goes through life without even once glancing at an attractive member of his preferred sex and thinking about sleeping with that person, or wishing he could punch someone who was apparently in such a hurry that the jerk had to roughly shove him aside? Apparently you can ask God to forgive you every time you commit the atrocious crime of being angry or lusty and thereby avoid eternal damnation, but then most people would be praying for five years just to make up for adolescence. I walked out that day and never looked back. Through this and various other events and conversations during my life, I went from being a devout Catholic to being beyond agnostic. I just couldn't deal with the random externally prescribed morals that nearly all religions embody, feeling strongly that people should be moral for reasons other than because they want some sort of personal reward; namely, because it just makes logical sense. Society simply functions better when people aren't going around raping, killing, and stealing, which is why most religions and most advanced societies have rules against them, and those that don't either stagnate or collapse. My experiences have led me to my own set of morals, which I try to follow as best I can. Specifically, I am of the firm belief that if it doesn't harm anyone or anything in any way, be it physically, emotionally, or financially, then there's no reason why it should be considered wrong. That is not to say that all things that do hurt someone are wrong, of course. If a young child misbehaves, for instance, his parents would probably be right in giving him a time-out, even though the child would feel emotional pain, ephemeral as it may be. (I am reluctant to speak in absolutes with regards to morals, as the world we live in contains a great deal of variety in circumstance that is rarely adequately covered by blanket rules; hence, I said “probably.” This is the basis for a large part of my system of beliefs, but I digress.) However, I have yet to hear a logical argument in favor of punishing any sort of completely harmless behavior. These are probably unpopular and controversial beliefs, given the general moral standpoint of society, but these concepts mean thinking “naughty thoughts,” saying “swear words,” and having the various “sexually deviant” fantasies (and in many cases, but by no means all of them, even engaging in the behaviors associated with these fantasies) are not always morally objectionable in my book. My mother was driving me home from an appointment one evening. She had the radio on, as she always does when she drives, although she was not really listening to it. It was some sort of commentary segment between songs. The caller said something about the problems caused by the “---damn Islamic terrorists,” and the host agreed with him. They discussed terrorism for a while, then began to discuss Islam itself, one of them calling it a violent and hateful religion. The other agreed. As they moved on to the subject of the upcoming election, I thought briefly about how odd it was that they were forbidden to take the Christian god's generic nickname in vain, yet were able to freely call Islam, practiced by a very large portion of the world's population, “violent and hateful.” I find that I am at odds with what it is clearly a large enough part of society as to require regulation by the Federal Communications Commission, in that I don't believe swearing is wrong, in most cases. The general population's staunch opposition to swearing in publicly accessible places and on publicly accessible broadcasts is fairly surprising, when you consider that most of us swear occasionally ourselves, some of us quite often. Some people even swear incessantly in front of their children. I find censorship to be quite a strange way to discourage it, given that anyone who goes out in public for any length of time will inevitably hear someone cussing at someone or something eventually, regardless of how much it is frowned upon. There are also the common arguments against censorship of specific words. Although I can't take full credit for them, I will briefly summarize the arguments here for your convenience. The “S-word” (begrudgingly censored here for the sake of the faint of heart) and the word “poopies” have the exactly the same meaning, yet one is censored and one is not. One could argue that the former has a negative connotation and the latter does not, therefore the former should be censored. However, the words “rancid” and “fetid” also have negative connotations. Therefore, logically, either “rancid” and “fetid” should be censored or no words should be censored for having a negative connotation. One could also argue that words like the “B-word” and the “N-word” should be censored because their use is mainly to insult others. However, the phrase “slow-witted, pig-headed Neanderthal” is also insulting, yet is not censored. Therefore, either the aforementioned phrase should be censored or no words should be censored for being insulting. (The website where I read an argument to this effect which particularly affected my thoughts on this subject is listed in the bibliography, entry 1.) There are really only two situations in which swearing can hurt anyone. The first is when it is used as an insult, which I have already argued is not a good reason to censor specific words to the exclusion of others with similar meanings and contexts. The other situation is when the person who hears it chooses to be offended by it. A person can control his anger, and is legally required to do so in many cases, as evidenced by the fact that “He called me a [B-word] and spit in my face!” is not a valid legal defense for committing a crime. In fact, those who remain calm in trying situations are held up as role models. The methods for not being offended are the same as those for not becoming angry, since offense at its heart is really just a form of anger, and these methods are well known by most of the population. It is therefore the person who knows that it takes only a little discipline to stop becoming offended by this language yet chooses not to do so, rather than the person who is swearing, who is causing harm. This logic implies that government and social effort would be better spent on programs that educate people about anger control than on censorship. I was sitting in a high school history class. The teacher had gotten done what he needed to get done that day and decided he didn't want to teach anymore. As everyone sat around idly, I overheard a conversation between the teacher and two students. They were discussing morality, and as inevitably occurs in most modern discussions of morality, the subject of homosexuality came up. They discussed the reasons for and against homosexual marriage, and eventually decided that it was okay because homosexuality was natural. They then extended the conversation to pedophilia, concluding that while homosexuality was natural and therefore okay, pedophilia was most certainly unnatural and therefore morally wrong. It was a conversation I must have heard a thousand times, but this time it made me think. The bell rang, and as they went their separate ways, I found myself coming to a logical conclusion I never thought I would. I have always found “naturalness” to be a poor qualifier for morality. Many will claim that various “sexual deviancies” are immoral because they are “unnatural,” yet they routinely wear polyester-blend shirts and live in man-made homes, which are certainly not natural objects. Even if unnatural things were necessarily wrong, there is considerable evidence that these “deviancies” are, in fact, natural, such as the highly publicized case of the lesbian swans in the Boston Public Garden (homosexuality)[2], or the case of the male duck that chased another male duck until the pursued crashed into a window and died, at which point the surviving duck mounted the dead one (homosexual necrophilia)[3]. Most arguments that I've heard for sexual freedom argue that consenting adults have the right to privacy, and will pick apart the Constitution and drag up obscure laws to prove it. My reasoning, although perhaps less legally valid, simply goes back to my basic rule about morality. Sex between consenting adults doesn't harm anybody (except sadism and masochism, but if all concerned are consenting they probably feel they are getting more benefit than harm from it). Furthermore, simply having a particular paraphilia cannot possibly harm anyone, much like the “naughty thoughts” I discussed earlier. I believe this statement extends to all paraphilias. This is the point where I seem to differ the most from the rest of society. Specifically, I do not believe that pedophilia itself is immoral. It should be noted, however, that when I say “pedophilia,” I refer strictly to attraction to minors. I differentiate this from actual sexual abuse of children, which can cause great physical and emotional damage to the children involved, and which I do not intend to condone in any way, nor will I ever. However, I would go so far as to say that should a person be burdened with these urges, yet resists them because he knows it is wrong to molest a child (rather than simply because of fear of punishment), it would be a testament to his moral strength, rather than weakness. This is, of course, an unpopular opinion, but it makes logical sense. One cannot always control one's mind (for instance, people will often get an annoying song, such as William Hung's rendition of Ricky Martin's “She Bangs”, stuck in their heads), but one can usually control one's actions, and to hold people to a higher standard than this will cause a host of problems. The extent to which people will defy logic in an effort to justify their illogical morals is astounding in this regard. In my life, logic did not always rule my mind. It still doesn't sometimes, and it would be unreasonable to expect people to use logic at all times. We are only human, after all. At times, my transformation from gullible fool to logical thinker was difficult, even painful. However, I feel that my vastly improved ability to use reason has improved my life far more than it has damaged it, and I will hopefully never go back. Maybe you, the reader, will be able to benefit from this as well. Bibliography 1. J. Crowley, “---- Decent” EnterTheJabberwock.com July 24, 2006 http://www.enterthejabberwock.com/?p=351 (WARNING: Very coarse language) 2. Donovan Slack, “Thou art no Romeo” The Boston Globe August 12, 2005 Globe Newspaper Company http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/08/12/thou%5Fart%5Fno%5Fromeo/ 3. Donald MacLeod. “Necrophilia among ducks ruffles research feathers” The Guardian March 8, 2005 Guardian Newspapers Limited http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/research/story/0,9865,1432991,00.html -------- Further proofreading would be greatly appreciated. As for the MLA citation standards, I'm pretty sure my sources are cited pretty clearly, even if it doesn't strictly follow the MLA standards. Wikipedia uses this form of citation and does not face legal action as a result, anyway, so it seems valid enough to me. EDIT: Added line breaks in final paragraphs. [ Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:26: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ] -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
No Harm Done: The Question of Morality in General | |
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written Sunday, October 15 2006 07:51
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quote:Putting aside that this is a slippery slope fallacy, it is just a good an argument, if not better, for controlling one's anger as it is for not swearing. If a man cannot even keep himself from becoming angry at meaningless words, how can he control himself when something really maddening comes along? Frankly, if the village hates yellow and you like yellow, I think you should feel free to wear yellow. They need to get over it. At any rate, if they really must not have anything yellow in their village, it had better at least be easy to live somewhere else. That's not always the case, however, such as when the majority prefers that people follow a certain religion, but that religion also says you can't leave the religion and economic hardship, government mandate, etc. prevents you from leaving the area. [ Sunday, October 15, 2006 07:55: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ] -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Sunday, October 15 2006 05:32
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quote:But who decides where the limits are? Many Americans prefer that homosexuals not get married or even publicly display their affection for their partners. Many Muslims prefer that women stay in a subordinate role to men. Prior to the American civil rights movement (and even after it), many whites preferred that blacks be segregated from whites. Do the preferences of the majority outweigh those of the few here? I understand that these are extreme examples, but the first question stands. Who decides where the limits are? My arguments are getting specious, I agree. Maybe I should come up with something else less ambiguous to argue in the second section. I need to come up with it by Tuesday, though. Ugh... EDIT: I thought of an adjustment: Make the premise of the essay be that morals make logical sense, rather than just specifically that if it harms nobody then there is not logical argument as to what makes it unethical. This allows me to argue that people should be consistent in what they choose to censor, rather than that nothing should be censored. [ Sunday, October 15, 2006 05:49: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ] -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Saturday, October 14 2006 18:08
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Sure. I'll IM you. If you don't want to do this via IM, say so when I IM you. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Saturday, October 14 2006 17:47
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New intro: "I was 15 years old at the time. I had been reluctant to attend my CCD classes all along (I was actually kicked out for the year a couple times), and this feeling only increased as I grew disgusted with my family's religion. CCD stands for Confraternity of Christian Doctrine, which is basically a Catholic indoctrination school. The joke among those less enthused with the idea of spending another hour learning each week after already spending six hours each day in regular school was that CCD stood for Central City Dump, and in my opinion, it's equally as accurate a name as the official one. At some point, an event occurred which finally convinced me to stop wasting my time and set the construction of my current system of morals into motion. I had been attending CCD solely for the sake of achieving Holy Confirmation and therefore receiving presents from proud relatives. However, one Tuesday night, there was a class in which the teacher showed up and began preaching about how it is apparently a Hell-worthy sin to think “naughty thoughts,” even if you don't act on them. It was among the most illogical concepts I had ever heard. Certainly you harm nobody but yourself by these thoughts, unless, for some inexplicable reason, some completely unobservable deity gets hit with a divine brick every time these thoughts occur, a situation for which we are highly unlikely to find any evidence within our lifetimes anyway. Many religions will claim that these thoughts are wrong because they are “impure,” but they never actually give a straight answer as to what “impure” means. Even if “impure” really has any meaning in this context, what person on Earth (besides Jesus of Nazareth, if you believe the church) goes through life without even once glancing at an attractive member of his preferred sex and thinking about sleeping with them, or wishing he could punch the jerk who was apparently in such a hurry that they had to roughly shove him aside? Apparently you can ask God to forgive you every time you commit the atrocious crime of being angry or lusty and thereby avoid eternal damnation, but then most people would be praying for the next five years just to catch up. I walked out that day and never looked back." The logical argument against the idea that naughty thoughts are wrong is that it doesn't hurt anyone. The Abrahamic religions seem to imply that the reason is that it offends God. However, I later argue that a person chooses to be offended (not in the original essay, but in my later post), so my logic seems to be consistent. Also, new title: No Harm Done: The Logic of Morality A personal essay by (me) EDIT: I'm not sure I like the way the second paragraph is organized though. Is it too much arguing in the personal anecdote section? [ Saturday, October 14, 2006 17:51: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ] -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Saturday, October 14 2006 17:41
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EDIT: I didn't realize this post went through. I changed it in response to Ash's edit. It is on the next page. [ Saturday, October 14, 2006 17:54: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ] -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Saturday, October 14 2006 17:01
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While the church is consistant in this regard, it does not stand up to the logic in the paragraphs that follow, which you did not read. At any rate, the teacher did say we needed to pray for forgiveness every time we think "naughty thoughts." EDIT: By extension of the logic I posted in my previous post, if you are offended by someone else swearing, the other person is not harming you, but you are harming yourself. For instance, when Galileo Galilei defended the heliocentric model of the solar system, many people were certainly offended, to the extent that they were going to excommunicate and imprison him; however, does this mean that Galileo was wrong? EDIT 2: At any rate, Ash, what is it that makes thinking "naughty thoughts" wrong? EDIT 3: Looking at my essay again, I realize that there is really is nothing there that specifically addresses why the church's stand is illogical. Will fix. [ Saturday, October 14, 2006 17:34: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ] -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Saturday, October 14 2006 16:02
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Unfortunately, the censorship of certain words leads not to more descriptive phrasing, but rather to words like "gosh darned" and "freaking". I do see your point, however. I will adjust the paragraph between the anecdote and the summary thusly, and then post it to recieve criticism and suggestions. EDIT: Here are the edited paragraphs: "My mother was driving me home from an appointment one evening. She had the radio on, as she always does when she drives, although she was not really listening to it. It was some sort of commentary segment between songs. The caller said something about the problems caused by the “---damn Islamic terrorists,” and the host agreed with him. They discussed terrorism for a while, then began to discuss Islam itself, one of them calling it a violent and hateful religion. The other agreed. As they moved on to the subject of the upcoming election, I thought briefly about how odd it was that they were forbidden to take the Christian god's generic nickname in vain, yet were able to freely call Islam, practiced by a very large portion of the world's population, “violent and hateful.” I chalked it up as yet another example of one group's illogical morals being thrust upon others. The general population's staunch opposition to “swearing” in publicly accessible places and on publicly accessible broadcasts is fairly surprising, when you consider that most of us swear occasionally ourselves, some of us quite often. Some people even swear incessantly in front of their children. I find censorship to be a strange way to discourage it, given the fact that there are countless alternatives with the exact same meaning, which are discouraged far less often. There are some common arguments against censorship of specific words to the exclusion of other similar words and phrases. Although I can't take full credit for them, I will briefly summarize the arguments here for your convenience. The “S-word” (begrudgingly censored here for the sake of the faint of heart) and the word “poopies” have the exactly the same meaning, yet one is censored and one is not. One could argue that the former has a negative connotation and the latter does not, therefore the former should be censored. However, the words “rancid” and “fetid” also have negative connotations. Therefore, logically, either “rancid” and “fetid” should be censored or no words should be censored for having a negative connotation. One could also argue that words like the “B-word” and the “N-word” should be censored because their use is mainly to insult others. However, the phrase “slow-witted, pig-headed Neanderthal” is also insulting, yet is not censored. Therefore, either the aforementioned phrase should be censored or no words should be censored for being insulting. (The website where I read an argument to this effect which particularly affected my thoughts on this subject is listed in the bibliography, entry 1.)" I'm afraid that the section no longer fits with the theme of the paper, however. Ugh... EDIT 2: Actually, I don't really agree with this. Just as a person can restrain his or her anger (and is in fact legally required to do so to some extent, as evidenced by the fact that "He called me a B-word and spit in my face" is not a valid legal defense for murder), so can a person stop being offended by words. The methods for not becoming angry are widely known and exactly the same as that for not becoming offended (and in fact offense is simply a form of anger). The person makes a choice not to follow through with stopping his susceptibility to being offended. Even in those cases where a person is so offended that instinct takes over immediately, social conservatives are often offended by socially liberal statements, and vice versa. However, neither socially conservative nor socially liberal statements are censored, at least not in places where people claim to be independent thinkers, such as America. (This obviously doesn't apply in theocracies and dictatorships, where all bets are off in regards to logic.) This fits with the theme of analyzing the logical inconsistancies of society. I may be becoming incoherent now. I will be going to bed soon, and may read this thread again tomorrow. I do have a lot of work to do that I wanted to start today, however, so I probably won't be reading it as actively. [ Saturday, October 14, 2006 16:41: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ] -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Saturday, October 14 2006 14:44
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Garrison: The premise is not that harming people is bad, however. In fact, I specifically included a case where harming someone could be beneficial. Rather, the premise is that not harming anybody in any way is not bad, and I defy you to give a logical argument to the contrary. I also thought the concluding paragraph said, although not directly, that people don't always use logic, and shouldn't be expected to. Should I make it more direct? Nioca: In fact, you did say it, although not in those exact words. When I asked why you thought it was wrong, you said quote:I would say that only a fool would have such a shallow mind as to base his statements about an entire ethnic group on the behavior of one person or his own prejudice. It's also worth noting that some people use the "N-word" not to mean every black person, but only the ignorant, racist ones. Whether that is a valid definition of the word is an argument for those that use it. Also, it's been established that you can make multiple posts to respond to multiple posts. We have a whole system, you see. :P EDIT: About swearing: If everyone swore all the time without anyone being offended, the words would lose their power. Eventually, the entire notion of a word being offensive for no reason would fade away, and it would no longer harm anyone. This has the added benefit that people would be forced to use words with actual meaning to describe things. Instead of "He's so F-wording huge," they'd have to say "He's so huge that it's astounding that the planets don't revolve around him." More descriptive, right? EDIT 2: Maybe I should put that in the essay. Hmm... [ Saturday, October 14, 2006 14:50: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ] -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Saturday, October 14 2006 13:32
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quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia Pedophilia is not an act, according to Wikipedia, but it is according to The American Heritage Dictionary. I was not aware that it was used to denote the act, but either way, I thought the following statement made it clear that I referred to the attraction and not the act. Should I elaborate a bit more on my use of the word in the defining statement? EDIT: For instance, maybe it would be better stated as "It should be noted, however, that when I say “pedophilia,” I refer strictly to attraction to minors. I differentiate this from actual sexual abuse of children, which can cause great physical and emotional damage to the children involved, and which I do not intend to condone in any way, nor will I ever."? [ Saturday, October 14, 2006 13:37: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ] -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Saturday, October 14 2006 13:26
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quote:The purpose of those anecdotes is both to give the essay a more personal, comfortable tone to offset the hard, unsettling logic in the rest of the essay, and to provide examples of the occurance of the beliefs I argue against. Does it not work well? -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Saturday, October 14 2006 13:22
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quote:We do use MLA standards. I'll try and figure this out. quote:Perhaps if I moved the sentence in the parentheses to the end of the paragraph that currently follows it, it would be smoother? quote:I'll wait and see if anyone else agrees before changing this. I'm sure I could be a little more sparing with the parentheses, but I've never heard that the text contained within must be terse, and Wikipedia does not say that either. quote:I'm not really sure about how to word this, because there are two people involved, and if both are referred to as "he" at the same time, it's confusing. I do know that "they" should not be used here though, as well as in the part about the "attractive member of his preferred sex" part of the sentence. quote:That's how I had it originally, but I changed it because I wasn't sure if the sentence without "which" was ambiguous as to whether the event or I set the construction in motion. Is it? quote:Maybe just "sleeping with him or her" would be more concise, but point taken. quote:The italicized parts are intended to have a less formal, more personal tone to them anyway. I hope it works well. quote:The Watermark does not always require a formal, scholarly tone. It also contains short stories, poetry, and visual art. This will go in the Nonfiction section, assuming they accept it. I've read the essays in last semester's issue though, and the one that won the honor of Best Nonfiction was mostly a summary of Plato's The Protagoras. It didn't even begin analyzing it until the last couple paragraphs. quote:What do you mean? It's a philosophical essay. Statistics as to the prevalence of orthodox Catholocism would be irrelevant. quote:I think I'll leave it to Socrates and Protagoras to argue over whether there is inherent goodness in people. I will say, however, that the very concept of "inherent goodness" implies externally prescribed morality, which this essay argues against. I can see why it's unsettling, however. quote:It might not be right, but it's not necessarily wrong either. At any rate, if they don't express their anger and hatred, it's likely to simply build up inside. I assume we can all see where that may lead. Also, it immediately marks them as an idiot, which is a good thing, since it allows people to avoid wasting their time with them. Yours was a most helpful post. I thank you very much for taking the time to help me. [ Saturday, October 14, 2006 13:26: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ] -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |