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No Harm Done: The Question of Morality in General
Shaper
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quote:
Originally written by Ephesos:

I also loved the divine brick parenthetical, and the William Hung reference was apt (though the phrasing was a little awkward, and I'm not sure how it could be smoothed out).
Perhaps it would be better written as "(for instance, people will often get an annoying song stuck in their heads, such as William Hung's rendition of Ricky Martin's "She Bangs")"?

quote:
And about the pedophilia part, I thought about disagreeing, but then I realized it was just because pretty much every case of it that the media covers is one of child abuse. While I find it hard to imagine (and unpleasant to think about) a case of pedophilia with fully consenting parties and a lack of abuse, I guess that variety would be acceptable.
I find it hard to imagine as well, because there probably is no such case. The point I was trying to make, rather, was that simply being attracted to children, and even such things as viewing lolicon hentai, neither of which involves actually engaging in sexual behavior with the child, harm nobody. Was the point unclear?

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No Harm Done: The Question of Morality in General
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So fools do not have as much of a right to speak their minds as everyone else? Who decides who is a fool and who is not?

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No Harm Done: The Question of Morality in General
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quote:
Originally written by Nioca:

There's a couple of things I disagree on, such as the use of the N-word
May I ask why?

quote:
One proofreading note is that the use of brackets surrounding the article number seems somewhat awkward. Instead of (homosexuality)[2], you might try (homosexuality, 2). Just a thought.
They bracketed numbers are supposed to be in superscript, but UBB doesn't allow superscript.

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No Harm Done: The Question of Morality in General
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This is an essay I wrote for my English class. I post it here now for two reasons:

1. I want some feedback. Is it logical? Do you agree/disagree? etc.
2. I would like to have it proofread for phrasing, spelling, grammar, citation, style, etc. (American standards, by the way. I don't always agree with these standards, but I am submitting it to an American literary magazine, and they'll probably want American standards.) I've gone over it several times, and it seems pretty good to me, but I just want to make absolutely sure before I submit it to UMass Boston's literary magazine, The Watermark.

It's fairly long, so I don't blame you if you don't have time to read it, but here it is:

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No Harm Done – The Question of Morality
An essay by me

I was 15 years old at the time. I had been reluctant to attend my CCD classes all along (I was actually kicked out for the year a couple times), and this feeling only increased as I grew disgusted with my family's religion. CCD stands for Confraternity of Christian Doctrine, which is basically a Catholic indoctrination school. The joke among those less enthused with the idea of spending another hour learning each week after already spending six hours each day in regular school was that CCD stood for Central City Dump, and in my opinion, it's equally as accurate a name as the official one.

At some point, an event occurred which finally convinced me to stop wasting my time and which set the construction of my current system of morals into motion. I had been attending CCD solely for the sake of achieving Holy Confirmation and therefore receiving presents from proud relatives. However, one Tuesday night, there was a class in which the teacher showed up and began preaching about how it is apparently a Hell-worthy sin to think “naughty thoughts,” even if you don't act on them. It was among the most illogical concepts I had ever heard. What person on Earth (besides Jesus of Nazareth, if you believe the church) goes through life without even once glancing at an attractive member of his preferred sex and thinking about bedding them, or wishing he could punch the jerk who was apparently in such a hurry that they had to roughly shove him aside? Apparently you can ask God to forgive you every time you commit the atrocious crime of being angry or lusty and thereby avoid eternal damnation, but then most people would be praying for the next five years just to catch up. Certainly you harm nobody but yourself by these thoughts (unless, for some inexplicable reason, some completely unobservable deity gets hit with a divine brick every time these thoughts occur, a situation for which we are highly unlikely to find any evidence within our lifetimes anyway). I walked out that day and never looked back.


Through this and various other events and conversations during my life, I went from being a devout Catholic to being beyond agnostic. I just couldn't deal with the externally prescribed morals that nearly all religions embody, feeling strongly that people should be moral for reasons other than because they want some sort of personal reward; namely, because it just makes logical sense. Society simply functions better when people aren't going around raping, killing, and stealing. My experiences have led me to my own set of morals, which I try to follow as best I can. Specifically, I am of the firm belief that if it doesn't harm anyone or anything in any way, be it physically, emotionally, or financially, then there's no reason why it should be considered wrong. That is not to say that all things that do hurt someone are wrong, of course. If a young child misbehaves, for instance, his parents would be right in giving him a time-out, even though the child would feel emotional pain, ephemeral as it may be. However, if one person were to harm another to benefit him- or herself, with very little or no benefit to the victim or anyone else, it would most likely be wrong. (I am reluctant to speak in absolutes with regards to morals, as the world we live in contains a great deal of variety in circumstance that is rarely adequately covered by blanket rules; hence, I said “most likely.” This is the basis for a large part of my system of beliefs, but I digress.)

These are probably unpopular and controversial beliefs, given the general moral standpoint of society, but these concepts mean thinking “naughty thoughts,” saying “'swear words,” and having the various “sexually deviant” fantasies (and in many cases, but by no means all of them, even engaging in the behaviors associated with these fantasies) are not always morally objectionable in my book.

My mother was driving me home from an appointment one evening. She had the radio on, as she always does when she drives, although she was not really listening to it. It was some sort of commentary segment between songs. The caller said something about the problems caused by the “---damn Islamic terrorists,” and the host agreed with him. They discussed terrorism for a while, then began to discuss Islam itself, one of them calling it a violent and hateful religion. The other agreed. As they moved on to the subject of the upcoming election, I thought briefly about how odd it was that they were forbidden to take the Christian god's generic nickname in vain, yet were able to freely call Islam, practiced by a very large portion of the world's population, “violent and hateful.”

The general population's staunch opposition to swearing in publicly accessible places and on publicly accessible broadcasts is fairly surprising, when you consider that most of us swear occasionally ourselves, some of us quite often. Some people even swear incessantly in front of their children. I find it to be quite a strange thing to discourage, given that anyone who goes out in public for any length of time will inevitably hear someone cussing at someone or something eventually, regardless of how much it is frowned upon. There are also the common arguments against censorship of specific words. Although I can't take full credit for them (the website where I read an argument to this effect which particularly affected my thoughts on this subject is listed in the bibliography, entry 1), I will briefly summarize the arguments here for your convenience.

The “S-word” (begrudgingly censored here for the sake of the faint of heart) and the word “poopies” have the exactly the same meaning, yet one is censored and one is not. One could argue that the former has a negative connotation and the latter does not, therefore the former should be censored. However, the words “rancid” and “fetid” also have negative connotations. Therefore, logically, either “rancid” and “fetid” should be censored or no words should be censored for having a negative connotation. One could also argue that words like the “B-word” and the “N-word” should be censored because their use is mainly to insult others. However, the phrase “slow-witted, pig-headed Neanderthal” is also insulting, yet is not censored. Therefore, either the aforementioned phrase should be censored or no words should be censored for being insulting.

As for the situation with the radio show, it is yet another example of one group's illogical morals being thrust upon others. I find that I am at odds with what it is clearly a large enough part of society as to require legislation, in that I don't believe swearing is wrong, in most cases. It certainly doesn't hurt anyone, except when the person who hears it chooses to be offended by it. It can hurt someone emotionally when it is used to insult, but the same can be said for “slow-witted, pig-headed Neanderthal,” so my conclusion is that it is generally more immoral to insult people with the intention of hurting them than simply to say “swear words” instead of their myriad euphemisms.

I was sitting in a high school history class. The teacher had gotten done what he needed to get done that day and decided he didn't want to teach anymore. As everyone sat around idly, I overheard a conversation between the teacher and two students. They were discussing morality, and as inevitably occurs in most modern discussions of morality, the subject of homosexuality came up. They discussed the reasons for and against homosexual marriage, and eventually decided that it was okay because homosexuality was natural. They then extended the conversation to pedophilia, concluding that while homosexuality was natural and therefore okay, pedophilia was most certainly unnatural and therefore morally wrong. It was a conversation I must have heard a thousand times, but this time it made me think. The bell rang, and as they went their separate ways, I found myself coming to a logical conclusion I never thought I would.

I have always found “naturalness” to be a poor qualifier for morality. Many will claim that various “sexual deviancies” are immoral because they are “unnatural,” yet they routinely wear polyester-blend shirts and live in man-made homes, which are certainly not natural objects. Even if unnatural things were necessarily wrong, there is considerable evidence that these “deviancies” are, in fact, natural, such as the highly publicized case of the lesbian swans in the Boston Public Garden (homosexuality)[2], or the case of the male duck that chased another male duck until the pursued crashed into a window and died, at which point the surviving duck mounted the dead one (homosexual necrophilia)[3].

Most arguments that I've heard for sexual freedom argue that consenting adults have the right to privacy, and will pick apart the Constitution and drag up obscure laws to prove it. My reasoning, although perhaps less legally valid, simply goes back to my basic rule about morality. Sex between consenting adults doesn't harm anybody (except sadism and masochism, but if all concerned are consenting they probably feel they are getting more benefit than harm from it). Furthermore, simply having a particular paraphilia cannot possibly harm anyone, much like the “naughty thoughts” I discussed earlier.

I believe this statement extends to all paraphilias. This is the point where I seem to differ the most from the rest of society. Specifically, I do not believe that pedophilia itself is immoral. It should be noted, however, that I differentiate simple pedophilia from actual sexual abuse of children, which can cause great physical and emotional damage to the children involved, and which I do not intend to condone in any way, nor will I ever. However, I would go so far as to say that should a person be burdened with these urges, yet resists them because he knows it is wrong to molest a child (rather than simply because of fear of punishment), it would be a testament to his moral strength, rather than weakness. This is, of course, an unpopular opinion, but it makes logical sense. One cannot always control one's mind (for instance, people will often get an annoying song, such as William Hung's rendition of Ricky Martin's “She Bangs”, stuck in their heads), but one can usually control one's actions, and to hold people to a higher standard than this will cause a host of problems. The extent to which people will defy logic in an effort to justify their illogical morals is astounding in this regard.

In my life, logic did not always rule my mind, and it still doesn't sometimes. I am only human, after all. At times, my transformation from gullible fool to logical thinker was difficult, even painful. However, I feel that my vastly improved ability to use reason has improved my life far more than it has damaged it, and I will hopefully never go back. Maybe you, the reader, will be able to benefit from this as well.

Bibliography
1. J. Crowley, “---- Decent” EnterTheJabberwock.com July 24, 2006 http://www.enterthejabberwock.com/?p=351 (WARNING: Very coarse language)
2. Donovan Slack, “Thou art no Romeo” The Boston Globe August 12, 2005 Globe Newspaper Company http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/08/12/thou%5Fart%5Fno%5Fromeo/
3. Donald MacLeod. “Necrophilia among ducks ruffles research feathers” The Guardian March 8, 2005 Guardian Newspapers Limited http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/research/story/0,9865,1432991,00.html

Edited to protect the innocent

Edited to replace asterisks with "me". Thanks, Saunders.

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high arts in General
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quote:
Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

Ali/Foreman: Some kind of inside joke I'm missing?
There was no conspiracy, and the joke was not inside. 2bit clearly just didn't get the joke.

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high arts in General
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bump

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I Am Engaged in General
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TAKE ME NOW YOU STUD

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ados.ermarian.net is fine.

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What have you been reading lately? in General
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The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Some parts aren't too funny, and some jokes are outright ripped off from other people, but it has its gems.
www.venganza.org

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So I won't post the video of myself and various family members looking like fools as we try to play a bad rock song on fake instruments, because if people decide it's stupid enough, it will get linked to across the internet and crash the server. It's happened before, so I won't risk it.

99/100 of a terabyte should be far, far more than enough for my crappy audio and image files, though. My main problem with 250Free, which also gives me 250 free MB of webspace, is the 1MB file size limit and 250MB of monthly bandwidth.

I will take the webspace then, and I thank you for it. How will this work, anyway? Do I just use FTP to upload files to the server, or is it something else?

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What about bandwidth?

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Hooray! *sets Alorael's logo, which should stay*

Yes, I have Gmail. How much webspace are we talking, here?

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Either the crown is flat, or the crown is round. It cannot be both. I do think the handle needs work, though.

Aran, does this mean nobody wins?

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Please don't make me add a drop shadow.

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Avernum 1 ? in The Avernum Trilogy
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They are dumbfounded. Go to a healer, or use a spell or potion that undumbfounds them (can't be more specific about spells or potions, or the locations of the healers, since I haven't played A1, sorry. There should be a healer in most big towns, anyway.)

Also, this is a gameplay question and should go in the Avernum Trilogy forum, not the Tech Support forum.

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Here you go.

t tgm: Antialiasing is for sissies! Real men like their lines crisp, solid, and jagged! (Read as: It was made as a raster and I'm too lazy to go through it meticulously antialiasing everything or make it over from scratch. :P )

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I looked at the A2 splash screen, and you're right. I see no sword through it, however.

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I don't know which crown I like better, really.

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Encyclopedia Ermariana, oddly enough, says nothing about the Empire's crest. It mentions the flag, but it is simply four colored bands.

Also, there's something odd in the Arena Canon article... :P

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Now with shadow, since that apparently makes it more "professional".

EDIT 2: Looking at it, I think it really does. I was being sarcastic, but whatever works, I guess.

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Added some tildes too. I think it looks a bit more balanced now.

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Centered the crown and sun horizontally.

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Simplified the swords, since Aran apparently likes simpler designs.

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Embellished the crown. Fancier now, yet still no cheesy gradient.

Note that you can use any of the various versions of these logos I made, you don't have to use the latest. Just in case that wasn't clear.

TGM, I do apologize. It was a bit rude, looking back on it. What I meant was the high-contrast, busy textures used inside the sun, crown, and E's were too... umm... high-contrast and busy, to the point where it's distracting. The second one in the new set is a marked improvement. The crown still seems a bit insignificant in comparison to the sun, though, as others have stated.

EDIT: I'm thinking my crown resembles a cake a bit too much now. Thoughts? Maybe just extend the bottom stripe all the way across, and remove the silver from the upper one?

EDIT 2: Here's that.
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[ Sunday, October 01, 2006 06:04: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ]

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I don't really like TGM's latest. The patterns hurt my eyes.

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What's wrong with the sun and crown? They symbolize the opposing sides of the struggle, so it's more than just a pair of swords, only one of which really has any significance, and it's only minor significance at that.

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Since the actual EE still has the first version, I edited in the new version for all to see how it looks on the page.

[ Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:19: Message edited by: The Almighty Do-er of Stuff ]

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