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But the monsters have to come from somewhere. The complex this takes place in is a Barracks/Lab/Fortress/Monster Factory, all built under a mountain. You don't think that's going to take a lot of power?

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Also, you're not actually supposed to fight those monsters in the screenshot, at least not directly. I just wanted a good combat screenshot.

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Edit: Should I have put this on the Avernum boards?

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Don't you like salamanders Diki? They like you.

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I never thought anyone would look at my profile.

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Why are three fyora staring at a bizarre imprint of Mickey Mouse's face in a wall?

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Originally written by Tyranicus.:

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Originally written by Reggie Kray xx:

So, I would like you all to join me in wishing a very happy birthday to the enchantress of the socially inept, the hub for non-board communications (Tyran doesn't count)

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Why not? :P

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That said, I did miss the joke. I didn't realize that you actually were refering to Undead Valley.

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Ephesos, before you claim that any of these rules can be broken, I suggest you take a good, hard look at Undead Valley. It broke many of the above rules, and is one of the most hated scenarios around, apart from Proving Grounds. I'm not saying you can't be creative. I'm just saying that straying too far outside of the rules can lead to disasterous results.

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Dikiyoba, the description you just made is very close to a scenario that actually exists. It's called Undead Valley. I put the similarities in italics.

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And I noticed that my rule was never added to the list. I meant it, too.

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Again, I fail to see the point. Lankan is rather hostile towards the Shapers, and clearly sympathizes with the Rebels.

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2. Even you were to argue (on technicalities) that the Takers did start the war (because they struck the first blow against a regime who would genocide them if it was aware of their existence), I fail to see why my analogy doesn't work. Merely because it isn't a mirror image of the situation in question doesn't invalidate the analogy. That's the reason why its an analogy.

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The principle I am attempting to put forward remains the same in both cases. Sometimes destruction is necessary to preserve freedom, equality and dignity.
Merely because they use destructive means to achieve their goals does not nullify the legitimacy of their cause. Many resistance groups have struck the first blow against their oppressors, such as the Greeks against the Ottomans in a struggle for an independent Greece, or the Polish against the Russians after the partitions.

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Sort of like the Allies in WWII? I seem to distinctly remember Japan and German occupied areas being reduced to rubble by Allied carpet bombing campaigns.

Ahh, now I see. The Allies should have just laid down their arms and allowed themselves to be conquered by Nazi and Japanese imperialists. That would have been so much better than causing 'destruction'.

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Like the rebels on the second island?

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I suspect a certain amount of judicious re-writing of history went on between GF2 & GF3.

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What better alternative do you suggest? I seem to distinctly remember the Awakened of GF2 taking the diplomatic path with the Shapers, only to get destroyed for their efforts.

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Either way, Serviles who join the Takers are willing participants. No one holds a gun to their heads. Unlike the serviles who serve under the Shapers...

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For instance, a child raised as a Christian who decides to be an athiest is no longer Christian, but a child raised Jewish who decides that they don't believe in God will more often than not still identify themselves as Jewish.

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—Alorael, who has a far better challenge than being a geologist. Be a nudist! Throw off the bondage of clothes and armor. Bonus points for giving up weapons, too. Even more for giving up weapons and spells!

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