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Human nature in General
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"If there is no god then all is in vein, oblivion awaits us all, and there is no point to doing anything that is contrary to ones desires."

I can't begin to argue this point, since I've never experienced such despair. Nevertheless, believing in god is superfluous.

If there is no god, then belief is superfluous.

If there is a god, then its nature is still unknown- is it benign, compassionate, or irate? How can its nature be perceived? It's a shot in the dark to the extreme, and the idea of hedging one's bets on one deity so vehemently under such odds seems utterly absurd.

On the other hand, if you're merely arguing for the belief as an opiate of the masses, well...
Clearly, you can have beliefs that cover the gamut. I can't well vouch for all faith being bad, and the abrahamic belief systems alone could be much worse. (I'm not much of a scholar on any eastern religions, but they also appear to be "good" in many ways.)
My problem is that modern belief has been conflated with platanistic nonsense that tosses scientific observation out of the window. Divine power does not power automobiles. (The fact that it alone also does not empower factories and firearms results in the "godless" world you so describe, but that's neither here nor there.)

"Well, I would posit that the US government's system of checks and balances does a pretty fair job of leveling the playing field as much as it can be. The entire system is predicated on the ability to say "no" to anyone's particular ambitions. Unfortunately, this breaks down a bit when one party has complete control of much of the government (like now), but even so, the system holds together remarkably well, I reckon."

Thanks for defending the status-quo, cracker child.

What about the impossibly destitute from birth onwards? What about the minorities and females? The latter of whom, statistically, leaves out housewives; let us also not forget that non-productive minorities can be jailed to prevent wasting dollars on dreaded welfare. (And those minorities can then be used in prison work schemes where they not only build whitey's monuments without being paid, they can also wear funny uniforms and be feared and hated!) What about the shrinking middle class, the increasing class divides, the corporate abuses across the board, etc?

Oh, and that pesky third world... Of whom, inevitably, we are the saving graces of- their union-free, six-feet-under salary jobs are provided by our graces, of course.

So yeah- the system holds together very well indeed. Efficient like a southern plantation.

(Now honestly, I fear saying doomsday tales like this- it's the quickest way I get barked down at every social situation I've ever encountered. People like hearing that things are a-okay, and I'm equally sure that nobody will address the artifices of whitey when put in such blunt terms, but I think it needs to be put frankly regardless.)

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Thuryl- Yeah, that works. It's just that your first version of it was vague with regards to that.

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David, with Ben around, I almost remembered you as sane by comparison. Please, for your sake, don't sully my nostalgia by being such a curmudgeon and also an asshat.

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Have you ever... in Blades of Avernum
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1. Depends. Most of the bad things that happen in the BoA world are authored by me, so I sorta have precognition...

2. No. I usually just keep my ingredients on one character.

3. See no 1.

4. I don't use the character editor.

5. No.

6. ...that is a very good idea.

7. It does count for something. When you save even 1 SP on every spell, at the high levels you get that skill at, it can be the extra haste/war blessing/radiant shield you need. (And if your magi are perpetually offensive, you deserve what you get.)

8. No.

9. More than a guess... Err, no.

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Lucien 'Thuryl' McMahon Is Naked in General
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Most of them type one-handedly.

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The Election in General
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Bridge.

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Showering in General
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quote:
Originally written by Arancaytar. You Owe it to the Door.:

By the third day without show...
Wow. This is the first shower in history to take attendance.

Me? Roughly once a day during school days.

Practically never during the summer.

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Forsaken-The Spine and the Troglo Caves in Blades of Exile
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quote:
Originally written by Milla:

It'd also be nice to know where to find the Bean Pet monkey and walrus.
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I love this scenario for precisely this reason. :P

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Human nature in General
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Wow- what a blast of nostalgia! Just when I thought ben was the only reactionary phallus-horper, along comes the gimp boy of inane debates past...
I'll try to keep myself terse.

"Or we could pull our heads out of our self-indulgent rears and realize that virtually anything could be substituted for 'human nature' in your last sentence without affecting its verity."

Congratulations- you've stuffed whole sentences down my mouth without having any idea what I said whatsoever.

When I say that I refuse to comment on "human nature", that doesn't mean I'm chickening out of an argument. (Hell, if you've been here for more than a day, you should know that I flat-out never do that. Only times I've ever left a discussion I was in the middle of is when I was banned.)

I mean that arguing about human nature is the perfect way to immortalize the dialogues of the bourgeoisie. For context, the classic conservative "response" to communism is that it isn't in human nature- merely saying that somehow dispels the need for any sort of deeper dialogue. Hell, those same dialogues can be used against everything from mass transit to sharing, with the only purpose of it being to make people more self-destructively self-centered.

"If that's enough to prevent you from adding your input, why hasn't it worked in the past?
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That said, I have nothing to add to the topic at the moment,"

Damned hypocrite.

"I wouldn't wan't to get rid of or bury my vices. They are too big a part of me. Getting rid of them would be akin to mental suicide. Somebody might be walking around afterwards but it certainly wouldn't be me."

Wonderful- so now, there is no sense of self beyond what Whitey tells you to do? I've seen army ants with less of an authority-dependant attitude.

"Use them. They can be powerful driving forces in one's mind. If you can twist them to a particular end, you can do great things. Greed is good and pride is even better... at least if funneled. They all have their uses."

Absolutely. If you get rich enough, you can get poor mexicans to water your plants without having to use the whip. Great deeds indeed.

"Pleasure seeking can never be entirely suppressed, and even then 'morals' are defined by outside influences. Without a society attempting to cooperate with one another, human being would simply attempt to find ways to eliminate reproductive competitors and live a life most conducive to breeding."

Thanks for your invaluable contributions to the topic, Mr. Foucault. Unfortunately, I don't really like being limited to my genetalia, no matter how much the Catholic Church will tell us that it's the only alternative to not being mortally ashamed of our nocturnal emissions.

Or think about it this way- sexism is one of capitalism's best-running methods of extracting labor. It's also the oldest, since God™ knows how badly we need to hump out new kids to run the farm, eh? No bad seasons plaguing them Mormons, you know.

Not saying that sex is inherently sexist- but if you can think of a context where the essence of the plugging goes beyond a ritual to secure property rights, then let me know. Of course, some liberal types will always insist that their relationship is perfectly hunki-dori, whilst accepting those Jungian dialogues about male fermanence and ignoring those irritating figures of lower female salaries.

"Greed is also precisely why Marxism will never work in a large society. The average human slob will only care about his or her own self (i.e. greed)."

Hah! See? I told you so! I really did! (See the beginning of the post.)

"P.P.S: Obviously, I am biased towards the theory of natural selection."

How much melanin do you have?

"We are all "social beings", even though we could be anti-social towards each other."

Point of clarification: Being antisocial is not the same as being avoidant. Antisocial means that one rejects social guidelines, whereas avoidant means that one is not sociable. I'm not sure if this changes your meaning, but it's an oft-made terminology error.

"Do people of a lower social hierarchy really want to be in that upper class? Of course they do, but the upper class has to control to the lower hierarchies, so they do not lose their control of influence of power. Thus, greed is born."

I agree completely. Let me put this at a different angle:
Greed is the moral of the upper-class that places the onus for advancement on the lower-class. The Man tells darkey, boobs and trailer whitey that they can reach the pinnacle of his glory if they partake in the sacraments of the capitalist church, which causes guilt and shame for not advancing themselves (and their ten kids- see above). Thus they won't spite the higher-ups by producing less, since ultimately it's their own faults anyway.

"Whether those changes make people happier is another matter entirely, of course."

Bigger boobs, bigger boobs, bigger boobs... [/praying]

"Now you're confusing social status with power; the two are related but not identical. Having power gives you social status, but being wealthier than someone doesn't necessarily give you direct power over them."

lol

(If the rich don't have "direct power" over the poor, then explain to me just how the hell they pull some of the crap they do.)

"Integrity is doing what is 'right/good' when no one is looking. You are what you do in secret."

I knew it! That MLK Jr. arsehole really did have it coming. Take that, affirmative action!

"If God does not exsist, then there is no 'original sin' only instinct, which surely can be bypassed by higher thought and reasoning. It is only a matter of character and ingetrity."

But wait... Doesn't that make god's role in a sociopolitical sense a bit superfluous?

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The rest of the topic seems to be natural selection, and since I've precognized the arguments, I'll end here.

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Favorite Beatles Songs in General
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You Never Give Me Your Money... I like it, but it's not super-good. Golden Slumbers is poor. You Like Me Too Much is significantly poorer.
More later.

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Looks like nobody gets it at all.

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Human nature in General
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Sins- what, are we suppressing greed for solidarity with the poor?

Your entire line of reasoning is based on psychology, particularly a brand thereof which does the bourgeosie's job of placing the onus on the individual.

Furthermore, in an unrelated matter, you seem to think that greed is a "base" instinct- next thing you know, you might argue for capitalism as the most organic system. Now I'm pretty slow, but it seems sorta obvious who would impregnate you with those ideas.

Or to put it on a much simpler level- how does "greed as a survival instinct" have any bearing whatsoever when you're dealing with a hypothetical sum of money so large that you could fill a swimming pool with its respective hundred dollar notes?

As a policy, I refuse to say anything about human nature; doing so is inherently repugnant. Any dialogues about human nature will intrinsically limit it into compliance with the ideological traps of the dialogues' bearers.

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Favorite Beatles Songs in General
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Okay, Stuggie. I'll take you up on your offer...

Resolve the musical tastes of these bands and/or artists:

Ayu*, Bill Withers, Billy Joel, Bonnie Pink*, Boston, Chicago, Clapton, CSNY, DAI*, Doobie Bros, Eagles, ELO, EW&F, Gackt*, Hendrix, Hikki*, JAM Project*, Journey, Kansas, Morning Musume**, Shiina Yumiko*, Steveland Morris, See-Saw*, Supertramp, TM Revolution*, the Who

* is japanese
* includes ayaya-chan

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Family Guy!!!! in General
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American Dad is the comedy equivalent of Crossfire.

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RPGs in General
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In this order, give-or-take:

Blades of Exile
Final Fantasy VII
ChronoTrigger
Fallout 2
Fire Emblem: Rising Sun
Treasure of the Rudras
Fallout
Nethergate
Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones
Fire Emblem: Sealed Sword
Final Fantasy IV
Fire Emblem: Thracia 776
Blades of Avernum
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy V
Avernum 2
Exile
Exile 3
Avernum 3
Exile 2
New Centurions
Realmz
Avernum
King's Bounty
Geneforge
Geneforge 3
Final Fantasy II
Final Fantasy I
Geneforge 2

A few comments:

ChronoTrigger is, despite being one of my absolute favorites, overrated. When I first heard this, I did not believe it. Then, I found out how much it was hyped. Yeah... It's not that good.

Lufia is not grim. When Maxim and his gal die at the end, it's like watching two stuffed animals being disposed of at the dump. For the entirety of the game up to that point, nobody dies, and they're all 6-year-old-anime cute stereotypes.

FF4 is preferable to FF5 only because of the abusively poor plot FF5 has. Let it be said that FF5's "system" is infinitely superior.

Did You Know- Thracia 776 was the last game released for the SNES.

Treasure of the Rudras is, unfortunately, not available in the US. Fansubs are available online, though.

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How often do ya play RPGs? in General
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I play virtually every waking hour, and I still sleep enough that I'm a "moderate" gamer. :P
Ah, summer.

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"Blades of Geneforge" in General
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...but the problem is, nobody would design good scenarios for BoG.

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Mad Ambition Question in Blades of Avernum
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And by "nearby", he means "the Nephil Elders drop them".

I'm tempted to give the party a blessing from one of the shamans just to demonstrate this effect, but I had always assumed that blessing was the first thing someone did in combat, and the absorption message leaves little to the imagination.

It's not like you're ever in threat of dying, unless your character is a mage- and in that case, the Nephil Elders should be annihilated in relatively order anyway.

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Sorry. It's just that the word "tub"...

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The joke of my moniker is obscure. The joke of my location is worse by far.

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I don't like it that much either. It's just that it's not much of an "elevation"- I like the song because it's a precognized solution to Springstein's awkward and unwieldy "story songs". It's pretty bad music (and it's probably not that ambitious), but it realizes the setting, and that's sorta neat.

I'm generally not a fan of "british" rock in the same vein as I'm not a fan of blues- sure, it's the impetus for anything anyone listens to, but I don't like it. :P

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The Ultimate "Favourite Game" Poll in General
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Ignore that female.

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Thurmstorm Ridge in Blades of Exile
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FYI, "searching for clues" is perhaps the worst part of any RPG.

A SDF is basically an integer value. The parts A and B are "coordinates", but not really. Here:

0000000000
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Now if you decide to use SDF 2,3 and change it to 4, the grid will look like this:

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And then when you ask something about that integer you just changed, you tell it to ask about SDF 2,3.

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what instrument do YOU play? in General
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You know, the music from E1 is by Mozart...

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Favorite Beatles Songs in General
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Lady Madonna, Rocky Raccoon and Magical Mystery Tour are all good songs. The rest range from piddlingly poor (Sgt. Pepper's) to above-mediocre (the rest of their oeuvre).

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Oblivion awaits.

[ Sunday, July 10, 2005 19:12: Message edited by: Marx' Martyr ]

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