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Arancaytar Law Bringer Member # 2984	written Thursday, April 13 2006 00:45 Profile Homepage #225 quote: Originally written by Air: Erika cannot be a two bit mage because, according to Encyclopedia Emarian, she was possibly the only person ever to create quickfire. In A3, in her tower, there is a quickfire trap guarding some drakeskin gloves which pretty much proves it. Who wrote that article? There is some correction needed, I believe. -------------------- Encyclopaedia • Archives • Members • RSS [Topic / Forum] • Blog • Polaris • NaNoWriMo Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. I have a love of woodwind instruments. Posts: 8752 \| Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00
Meeshka Shock Trooper Member # 6908	written Thursday, April 13 2006 01:13 Profile #226 quote: Originally written by Sharpie: quote: Originally written by Meeshka: Don't make Erika a lich, PLEASE!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!! Erika's reanimation as a lich is an interesting idea but seems unlikely to me as her body was completely immoliated when Rentar triggered her curse. No corpse, no lich. Ok, I agree. No corps - no lich. Yes soul - yes crystal, ok? -------------------- 9 masks sing in a choir: Gnome Dwarf Slith Giant Troll Troglo Human Nephil Vahnatai "If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?" radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1 Posts: 203 \| Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Arancaytar Law Bringer Member # 2984	written Thursday, April 13 2006 02:21 Profile Homepage #227 We have no record of any non-vahnatai ever attaining bokhood, with or without vahnatai aid. Seeing as the ritual is one of the most closely guarded secrets of the vahnatai, I don't see it being learned (let alone mastered) by humans anytime soon... -------------------- Encyclopaedia • Archives • Members • RSS [Topic / Forum] • Blog • Polaris • NaNoWriMo Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. I have a love of woodwind instruments. Posts: 8752 \| Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00
Archmagus Micael Agent Member # 4506	written Thursday, April 13 2006 03:43 Profile Homepage #228 quote: Originally written by Kuranes-: We have no record of any non-vahnatai ever attaining bokhood, with or without vahnatai aid. Seeing as the ritual is one of the most closely guarded secrets of the vahnatai, I don't see it being learned (let alone mastered) by humans anytime soon... You never know. If Rentar could bring back Garzahd (ah damn! I had to face him again), I'm sure another Vahnatai could bring back Erika. I'm not sure we all want Erika back, but it could be done. - Archmagus Micael -------------------- "You dare Trifle with Avernum?" ~ Erika the Archmage -------------------- My Scenarios: Undead Valley : A small Undead problem, what could possibly go wrong? -------------------- Richard Black - PROOF of his existance (the Infernal one's website). -------------------- MY FORUM! Randomosity at it's highest! :) Posts: 1370 \| Registered: Thursday, June 10 2004 07:00
Dikiyoba Councilor Member # 6600	written Thursday, April 13 2006 04:32 Profile Homepage #229 Originally written by Meeshka: quote: Don't make Erika a lich, PLEASE!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!! Seconded. Dikiyoba wants to see new enemies and new friends in Avernum 5. Posts: 4346 \| Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00
Delicious Vlish His Mighty Tentacle Member # 627	written Thursday, April 13 2006 06:47 Profile #230 As an aside. Purgatos got that information to make the Phoenix egg from a "visitor" and he was told to use it to help you. The Quickfire trap in the giant's cave was probably left there by Rentar. Petrie in Blackcrag might have a spellbook that you can read to learn Quickfire, but it doesn't mean that he knows how to cast it. One of my favourite things to do in Exile 3 was block off the main chamber in Rentar's fortress with barriers, and before putting the last one in place, casting Quickfire. Stuff would be getting fried as I worked my way forward. I am not so sure I want Erika back as a lich either. I was just saying it seems odd that somebody so powerful had no contingencies in place for the moment of her death. -------------------- If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish. Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish. Posts: 1104 \| Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Thursday, April 13 2006 06:49 Profile Homepage #231 quote: Originally written by Meeshka: Yes soul - yes crystal, ok? Agh, this is a terrible idea. Erika should not be turned into a crystal soul. What about her seemed even remotely vahnatai? -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Thursday, April 13 2006 07:16 Profile Homepage #232 A human turning into a Crystal Soul makes about as much sense as an earthworm pupating and emerging as a butterfly. Erika isn't the right species. —Alorael, who will not accept that Crystal Souls are all magic and no biology (parabiology?). It makes no sense! Please turn humor detectors to setting C. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Dintiradan Guardian Member # 6670	written Thursday, April 13 2006 07:49 Profile Homepage #233 By Vlish: quote: To have a mage that powerful, with that much arcane lore, that can zap her self through time and space, like she did to assist the adventurers in E/A3, and for her to not have a contingency for her own death just strikes me as being somehow wrong. Her curse was intended for the living if you get my drift. Somebody as powerful as Erika could have easily turned her self in to a Lich at the moment of her death, and would have probably gotten away with it too. Exile/Avernum would have left her alone and continue with her undead existance. In most fantasy settings, not only is lichhood viewed as abhorrent, but is also dreadfully complicated. Usually, it involves storing your soul in a vessel (denying you of the life hereafter in return for eternal undeath), often with demonic parties involved. So... no. Besides, the whole sunlight curse was invoked by Garzahd, a mage with powers rivalling Erika's. Human Crystal Souls... (Ahem) Arghhhhhhhhh!!! -------------------- Merry Christmas to all!/Now you're all going to die! - The Night Santa Went Crazy (Weird Al) Posts: 1509 \| Registered: Tuesday, January 10 2006 08:00
Old Scratch Warrior Member # 6977	written Thursday, April 13 2006 10:12 Profile #234 quote: Originally written by Dintiradan: Usually, it involves storing your soul in a vessel (denying you of the life hereafter in return for eternal undeath) . . . For future reference, said vessel is often referred to as a "phylactery". -------------------- Man may have been made in the image of God, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home. Posts: 66 \| Registered: Thursday, March 30 2006 08:00
Meeshka Shock Trooper Member # 6908	written Thursday, April 13 2006 10:37 Profile #235 quote: Originally written by Iron Eyes: A human turning into a Crystal Soul makes about as much sense as an earthworm pupating and emerging as a butterfly. Erika isn't the right species. —Alorael, who will not accept that Crystal Souls are all magic and no biology (parabiology?). It makes no sense! Please turn humor detectors to setting C. Why not consider Erika to be a caterpillar among all humans? quote: Originally written by Kuranes: I don't see it being learned (let alone mastered) by humans anytime soon... Erika wasn't a common personality. I bet she was prepared to face a real enemy in Rentar's face. Such a foolish death of such a powerful mage is out of normal fantasy canon. Like Gendalf the Grey Mage or Dumbledore (though not written yet, but 99 to 1 he is alive). At least, this was an idea. Another way there should be to return Erika, but still concealed it is from us. I shall grant the idea of returning Erika as a shade, making parallel to Shannara and its Druids, coming back as ghosts at the lake of death, giving advices. Edit: stupid UBB [ Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:38: Message edited by: Meeshka ] -------------------- 9 masks sing in a choir: Gnome Dwarf Slith Giant Troll Troglo Human Nephil Vahnatai "If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?" radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1 Posts: 203 \| Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Thursday, April 13 2006 10:56 Profile Homepage #236 Erika isn't exactly the helpful sort who would come back to aid others. If she's still around, it's because she hates Rentar-Ihrno and Rentar-Ihrno is not dead. Or maybe she hates all the vahnatai. Or she still has revenge to take on the Empire. Or she has revenge to take on Avernum for allying with the Empire. —Alorael, who would accept Erika's return if she returned as a non-evil undead and if she were only a minor character, neither a major NPC as in prior games nor a villain. She's Avernum background, but it's time for her to fade into that background. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Mivayan Warrior Member # 6632	written Thursday, April 13 2006 13:03 Profile #237 quote: Originally written by Meeshka: Erika wasn't a common personality. I bet she was prepared to face a real enemy in Rentar's face. Such a foolish death of such a powerful mage is out of normal fantasy canon. Like Gendalf the Grey Mage or Dumbledore (though not written yet, but 99 to 1 he is alive). Slightly silly perhaps, but sunlight isn't the first thing you worry about in a fortress 1000 feet(my guess) below ground. Rentar just had to wait untill she was in the exact right spot. And I think Erika considers undead too evil to become one. If she was powermad enough to only be out for herself, she wouldn't help fight Rentar. Posts: 50 \| Registered: Monday, January 2 2006 08:00
Jumpin Salmon ? Man, ? Amazing Member # 5755	written Thursday, April 13 2006 14:37 Profile #238 Logically it should take two successful attempts to kill Rentar. Likewise, it should only take one attempt to kill Erika. They are both dead now, neither expected to die, therefore there should be no contingency plans enacted. I'm sure Jeff is as tired with those two women as anyone could be, and if bothers us so bad we can just change the scripts to give Rentar a different name, capiche? -------------------- WWtNSD? Posts: 4114 \| Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00
Sharpie Apprentice Member # 6997	written Thursday, April 13 2006 15:16 Profile #239 quote: Originally written by Delicious Vlish: Petrie in Blackcrag might have a spellbook that you can read to learn Quickfire, but it doesn't mean that he knows how to cast it. Ahh, but you didn't pay him to read a spellbook, you paid him an ungodly sum of money to walk you through the incantation so you could cast it yourself. I don't pay my math professor to tell me which textbook I need and to "figure it out", I pay him for examples and demonstrations so I know what i'm doing. Petrie definately knew how to cast the spell. Also, there's the matter of all those mages west of Fort Remote in Avernum 2 who were experimenting with barriers which dissolved on contact with Quickfire. Would you really waste your time on such an experiment if there was noone at your lab capable of creating the stuff to test it out? Posts: 9 \| Registered: Thursday, April 6 2006 07:00
Spidweb Board Administrator Member # 1	written Thursday, April 13 2006 15:21 Profile Homepage #240 No more Erika. No more Rentar. No more Garzahd. - Jeff Vogel -------------------- Official Board Admin spidweb@spiderwebsoftware.com Posts: 960 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Dintiradan Guardian Member # 6670	written Thursday, April 13 2006 15:29 Profile Homepage #241 By Old Scratch: quote: For future reference, said vessel is often referred to as a "phylactery". I know. I avoid using the term, because it actually is something orthodox Jews put pieces of the Torah in. By JV: quote: No more Erika. No more Rentar. No more Garzahd. - Jeff Vogel Now, if we can just get the BoE/Aers to agree... -------------------- I have just discovered that LAN parties where no one brings games are not fun. Posts: 1509 \| Registered: Tuesday, January 10 2006 08:00
Dikiyoba Councilor Member # 6600	written Thursday, April 13 2006 15:30 Profile Homepage #242 quote: Originally written by Spidweb: No more Erika. No more Rentar. No more Garzahd. - Jeff Vogel Good! Dikiyoba will now use this sig to reiterate the goodness of it. Posts: 4346 \| Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00
Ephesos Law Bringer Member # 4153	written Thursday, April 13 2006 16:34 Profile Homepage #243 quote: Originally written by Spidweb: No more Erika. No more Rentar. No more Garzahd. - Jeff Vogel Yay! This day just keeps getting better! (I will say, however, that I enjoyed killing Garzahd again. It was a most amusing scene, though I felt that he lacked the combat 'oomph' he had in A2.) -------------------- Thuryl: "Runescape: for people who are too stupid to save their games." Gamble with Gaea, and she eats your dice. Posts: 4130 \| Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00
Dastal Warrior Member # 3610	written Thursday, April 13 2006 19:47 Profile #244 I'm a big fan of the Rentar, Erika, Garzhad announcement. Incidentally, what is translated as a phylactery is more accurately refered to as tefillin. They don't contain the entire Torah, only Exodus 13:1-10, Exodus 13:11-16, Deuteronomy 6:4-9 and Deuteronomy 11:13-21. Those are the commandments to wear tefilin and the central prayer (creed, if you will) of Judaism. That just got me waay off topic, so, let me just close by saying that I'm in the camp which wants something totally new. Posts: 129 \| Registered: Tuesday, October 28 2003 08:00
*i The Establishment Member # 6	written Thursday, April 13 2006 20:07 Profile #245 I think most of the BoX community agrees, redoing Erika, Garzahd, or Rentar is bad. I even felt queasy about it in A4, but it's good to hear that they are dead. To paraphase, it's time for them to fade into the history of Avernum. -------------------- Your flower power is no match for my glower power! Posts: 3726 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Meeshka Shock Trooper Member # 6908	written Thursday, April 13 2006 22:07 Profile #246 quote: No more Erika. No more Rentar. No more Garzahd. Long live Avernum. Bye, Erika, wink. Let you come again in some BoA. Bye, Garzahd. May be demons will moarn of your death. Bye, Rentar. A good villain were you. A good villain is better then a bad friend. So we shall find another good enemy. [ Thursday, April 13, 2006 22:11: Message edited by: Meeshka ] -------------------- 9 masks sing in a choir: Gnome Dwarf Slith Giant Troll Troglo Human Nephil Vahnatai "If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?" radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1 Posts: 203 \| Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Student of Trinity Electric Sheep One Member # 3431	written Friday, April 14 2006 04:56 Profile #247 quote: Originally written by Ephesos: (I will say, however, that I enjoyed killing Garzahd again. It was a most amusing scene, though I felt that he lacked the combat 'oomph' he had in A2.) He had had a rough day. -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 \| Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00
Darkdread Shock Trooper Member # 3716	written Friday, April 14 2006 11:16 Profile #248 For Avernum 5 I wish there was some kind of food (?) that restores your energy for mages and priests. Apples, meat and all the food restores your health, but I wish there was another way -besides energy potions- to do it :( -------------------- "Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire. Posts: 292 \| Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Archmagus Micael Agent Member # 4506	written Monday, April 17 2006 07:30 Profile Homepage #249 quote: Originally written by Spidweb: No more Erika. No more Rentar. No more Garzahd. - Jeff Vogel Yay! I'm happy. Garazhd = EVIL Rentar = SHE REFUSES TO DIE Erika = DOES SHE HAVE TO TRAP HER TOWER? Marcelo - Interesting idea, but all he really needs to do is re-implement "rest". Then I'll be happy. - Archmagus Micael -------------------- "You dare Trifle with Avernum?" ~ Erika the Archmage -------------------- My Scenarios: Undead Valley : A small Undead problem, what could possibly go wrong? -------------------- Richard Black - PROOF of his existance (the Infernal one's website). -------------------- MY FORUM! Randomosity at it's highest! :) Posts: 1370 \| Registered: Thursday, June 10 2004 07:00