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down with the world of avernum in General | |
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written Saturday, July 17 2004 19:58
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You know, had this topic ended with TGM's first post, it would have been a truly wonderful topic. Too late now, though. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
Avernum 4 or Nethergate 2 in General | |
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written Saturday, July 17 2004 19:25
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Ohh... two mistakes. First, I thought you were asking which we'd prefer. Second, I hadn't read the email until five minutes ago. I don't know about Alorael, but I'd say it's NG2. Avernum has not "waited a long time to be continuted". -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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written Saturday, July 17 2004 13:03
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I'm not exactly sure what's in my profile; all I know is that I add stuff occassionally, usually with over a month in between, and rarely take it out. The Pendragon quote is something that I like, and the quote itself should really be self-explanitory. The links... well, click them if you want to know why they're there, but be careful. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
Avernum 4 or Nethergate 2 in General | |
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written Saturday, July 17 2004 12:25
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I say A4 would be better. You just can't make a sequel to Nethergate. Avernum... you can certainly make a sequel to that. In fact, I'm sure somebody will. So why not Jeff? -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
Valley of Thunder RP in General | |
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written Saturday, July 17 2004 03:41
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Two figures reached the top of a hill overlooking Selger. Smoke drifted up to them, adding more urgency to their mission. One started down, but the other stopped. "Sadith! Wait!" Sadith looked back at him. "There is light in Selger! The shadow has lost its grip!" "Fool! Look!" Sadith looked where Kenthred was pointing. Several more figures were joining those at the dam; several carried torches. "What are they... oh, gods..." Kenthred took a sip from his canteen and tossed it to Sadith. "If they succeed, that town will be destroyed completely within minutes. Along with everyone in it." Sadith drank and threw the canteen back to Kenthred, who caught it running. Sadith followed as fast as he could. Along with everyone in it... Ray, Sylvian, Vor, Alex, Eferas... Eferas... "Where is Eferas?" he shouted. "How the hell should I know? Did he go through the portal?" "Yes, but he's not there! I'd see his light! He's not in Selger!" "Lucky!" Kenthred removed bombs from his bolts as he ran. If any fire touched that dam... "There he is! EFERAS!" "Quiet, you fool! If those demons hear us, we can all go to hell!" Sadith obeyed, running just behind Kenthred towards the dam. His eyes strained, focused on where he had seen the point of blinding light. He quickly gave up; only he and Kenthred could do anything now. "Sadith, what do you have that can kill a demon?" "A sword?" "Anything else?" "No." Kenthred tossed several short javelins behind him. Sadith barely managed to catch them. "Thanks." "No fire." "I know." Sadith noticed Kenthred getting lighter as he ran. Whatever his goals and alliegances, he was now focused solely on saving lives; Sadith respected that. Several minutes later, Kenthred slowed and began moving stealthily, quietly. He held up a hand, and Sadith attempted the same. The miner watched the soldier's feet, making sure his own feet tread on the same rocks, avoided the same branches. They were close enough to hear te shrill laugh of the demons as they tore the seasoned wood from the edifice. Axes, curved bars, claws, teeth... whatever could tear wood was being used. The new group, including several possessed humans, had almost reached the demons. The human laughter alongside that of the demons sounded grotesque. "Right. I'm going to hit that one in front, the big one with the axes. You get as close as you can. Stay in the trees. When I yell, attack. Go for the torch bearers first. Oh, and Sadith?" The miner looked up. "Try not to die." Sadith started down the gradual decline, sword in one hand and a javelin in the other. He heard a screech, and heard Kenthred rearming his crossbow. The demons sent up a horrible din, crashing through the forest, trying to heal their leader or, at the very least, push him into the river. Several pushed on frantically, especially the humans. One ran in the direction from which the bolt had come, towards Kenthred; Sadith crouched in the bushes, then decapitated the man as he ran by. He shuddered as he saw the face; the man had been a good miner. A great miner, in fact. But with a shifter in possession of those muscles... he quickly threw the man's cloak over his body and ran towards the demons. Just as he reached their path, he heard Kenthred's voice. "ATTACK!" Another bolt flew from the trees, piercing the heart of a torch bearer. A demon running towards the dam kicked the torch into the river with a splash; a human cry of rage was followed by demonic sounds of pain, and then another splash. Sadith caught up and hurled the javelin at the group; it sliced through a demon's arm, and the beast howled in rage. It turned, saw Sadith, and charged at him, flanked by two other demons. Another javelin stopped one, and a sword stroke removed the wounded demon's leg. The third demon launched itself at Sadith, knocking him to the ground. It reached for his neck, claws out - and fell forward, limp. Kenthred placed a foot on the demon's back and tore the dirk out. "Let's go. They're almost at the dam." Sadith pushed the demon off himself and retrieved his sword. He plunged it into each demon's torso, making sure they were completely lifeless, then sheathed it. "Thanks." "Don't mention it. Wait until we're done, when you have breath to spare. Let's go." They ran off again in the direction of the dam, weapons ready. EDIT: Changed a word. [ Saturday, July 17, 2004 03:51: Message edited by: Lady Davida ] -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
Happy Birthday, TGM! in General | |
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written Wednesday, July 14 2004 20:20
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Happy birthday. Don't die. Birthdays are generally bad times to die. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
Sir Alexander killed Internet Explorer in General | |
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written Wednesday, June 30 2004 20:44
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I see question marks in all lines but the second to last, in which I see something this: § (option 6). That's for all browsers. EDIT: nothing important. [ Wednesday, June 30, 2004 20:46: Message edited by: Lady Davida ] -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
"Wut do u look like 2" in General | |
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written Wednesday, June 30 2004 20:20
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Aran looks almost exactly like my mental picture of Motrax. Motrax looks... deranged, somehow. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Too much piano will do that to you. I'd post a picture of myself, but I can't find any. I'll try scanning my own face right after this post. Eyes closed. Don't worry. Right after HP3:PoA came out, about half my high school informed me that I look exactly like Harry Potter. That's including people I don't know, and even a teacher or two. Cut his hair a bit and get rid of the glasses, and I guess they're right. TGM, I must say, those picture are quite a bit nicer looking than the hockey picture you posted on the CoA. What is it with Finns and self-photography? Kel reminds me of someone I can't stand, unfortunately. Nothing wrong with the way you look, aside from that. You're not a physically strong anime raver, are you? Morgan, I can't see that pic on any of my browsers, so I'm going to assume that you look exactly like Mario. Red hat and all. Oh, and about Thuryl, I'm completely straight and that picture turned me on. He definitely wins the Spiderweb Beauty Contest. Unless, of course, I can get a picture of myself at exactly the right angle. I'm not sure what the prize is, but I can guess, and I'm certainly willing to let Thuryl have it. I've overshot the "doesn't say much" thing already, but I'll throw in a just to be safe. EDIT: Facial scanning was a complete failure. Oh well. You can all keep guessing. I'll post a picture of my hand, if you like. [ Wednesday, June 30, 2004 20:30: Message edited by: Lady Davida ] -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, June 30 2004 19:45
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quote:...You're kidding, right? Have you even considered the consequences of that? I'd say the "kicked in the stones" part is a much better idea. Although I'm willing to obtain the firearm if you want to go in for the first. Welcome back, Cairo Jim. I remember slightly better punctuation and grammar from you, but everyone has their bad days, I suppose. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, June 30 2004 19:29
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Works for me. Happy 2000, TM. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
Lucien 'Thuryl' McMahon Is Naked in General | |
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written Wednesday, June 30 2004 19:27
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How do we know you're not ad dead sexy as Thuryl? You've never shown us, as far as I know. Happy birthday, Thuryl. I have no present for you, but if you expected one, that would be kind of odd. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, June 30 2004 19:13
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It's easy, just don't say much on the boards and use the tongue graemlin way too much. :P EDIT: And the B) smiley. Can't forget that. [ Wednesday, June 30, 2004 19:31: Message edited by: Lady Davida ] -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
Name my web page! in General | |
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written Wednesday, June 30 2004 12:47
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That, or Kelandon's Elysium. The Lea makes it too long. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
Sir Alexander killed Internet Explorer in General | |
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written Wednesday, June 30 2004 08:38
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Hey, nice kill, RC. ...what doesn't have tabbed browsing? EDIT: While we're on this subject, which browsers do you all recommend? I use Firebird, but it's got problems with downloading, so I also use Camino and, occasionally, Mozilla itself... which browser is best, do you think? [ Wednesday, June 30, 2004 08:51: Message edited by: Lady Davida ] -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
Valley of Thunder RP in General | |
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written Tuesday, June 29 2004 22:48
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"Kenthred!" Both men whirled around, Chadussid's crossbow leveled at Sadith's chest before he could blink. "It worked." Chadussid snorted. "We noticed," Kenthred replied. "Nice aim, by the way." "Mining's not so gods-damned boring when you know how to have fun. Where did that portal lead? Don't tell me-" "Selger." "Damnit! Why didn't you follow?" "Because I-" Chadussid threw himself at Kenthred. "Duck!" A bolt sailed overhead, exploding against a tree; Sadith jumped just in time to avoid the chards of glass. "Kenthred, Sadith, run! Gods damn that man..." Kenthred jumped to his feet and grabbed Sadith. "Where?" "To Selger," Sadith replied, drawing his sword. The map-making materials had already been lost. "If they're alive," he said, trying to figure out where Chadussid had gone, "they'll need our help. If not, there's not much else we can do, is there? If... if they found them..." "Why?" Kenthred yelled into the wind, stumbling as he ran. "What's in Selger?" Sadith shot Kenthred a look, slowing briefly. The soldier's heart jumped; what could the demons have done to him? "Just hope that you never find out," Sadith yelled back, remembering the shadow and the lightless man. He shut his mouth as they reentered the forest, heading once again for Selger. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, June 29 2004 21:24
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Ahh... sorry to hear it. But, as dampeoples said, it's good that she decided to leave now and not sometime after tomorrow. Good luck with... whatever you need good luck for. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, June 29 2004 21:19
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It doesn't look backwards to me... dampeoples, you have a Mac? Hmm... Drakey? What do you see? -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
Lucien 'Thuryl' McMahon Is Naked in General | |
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written Tuesday, June 29 2004 21:16
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If Thuryl is very hairy, Plah, I say we fit him into Alorael's 0.05%. We'd better slip in in here anyway, just in case. You know that's a very popular 0.05%. TM, who doesn't have a crush on Thuryl? —Sir David, who cannot help but point out the fact that he was the inspiration for Alorael's recent monikers, Alorael's monikers of the near future, and, quite possibly, every moniker that Alorael has ever had or ever will have. He would also like to point out that he is a member of DuctTapeUnited™ (DTU) and therefore cannot be sniped without the sniper risking severe retaliation from his brothers in arms. Tape. Whatever. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, June 29 2004 20:57
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God, I love this message board. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General | |
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written Tuesday, June 29 2004 19:19
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This topic is moving far too fast for me, so I'll respond to the three posts directly after mine and then wait for it to slow down a bit. Djur, I see those bits about a "jealous God" as a mistranslation or misinterpretation. You can either believe what I believe, or you can believe that the Bible is horribly self-contradictory; why would such a God allow his own son to be killed in such a horrible way for people who had been actively fighting him for millenia? I also believe that God started out with a desire to make humans as perfect as possible, and then, with such strong resistance by Satan, backed off over time, leaving us more and more to our own devices. A form of ethnic cleansing, I suppose, but remember - to God, eternal life is more important than our current existance on Earth. Also, when you're God, not Hitler or Pol Pot, you can do things like that; what is yours, you can either protect and nourish, like Moses, or you can mostly leave it alone, like most of the modern world, it seems, or you can destroy it, giving it another chance in the afterlife. Sounds cruel, I suppose, but it's really not... I'll let RC or someone with time on their hands explain. Muslims must really love you. Thuryl, I haven't. However, my cousin is a Catholic priest; I'm about to go on a family trip for two weeks, so I should have plenty of chances to discuss religion then. What I've heard, though, I don't really like - it seems too conservative, too strict, too self-centered, too... top-heavy, I guess, like a bureaucracy that keeps growing and growing until it can't keep track of itself. I'm a Christian non-conformist, and I don't intend to change that any time soon. Not that I'm unwilling to change. I just can't find a Christian church that I like that focuses on the Father more than the Son, that's willing to accept that Paul was wrong, that Jesus is the Son only, not God himself (did you know that the Bible never actually says that Jesus is God until Paul's letters?). A bit like the Jehovah's Witnesses, I guess, but they're more strict than Catholics. Kelandon, you agree with Dolney? You realize that he's a radical atheist, right? The non-believing equivalent of those Christian fundies that everyone hates so much? Of course, there's nothing wrong with fundamentalism. Unless it's religious. In Paul's letters: "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." (Romans 1:26-27) This might be the only time in the Bible where female homosexuality is mentioned; however, it is equated with male homosexuality, which is discussed in more detail elsewhere. "Law is promulgated, not for the righteous man, but for persons lawless and unruly, ungodly and sinners... fornicators, men who lie with males,... and whatever other thing is in opposition to the healthful teachings according to the glorious news of the happy God." (1 Timothy 1:9-11) Not as critical as he is in Romans, when you think about it, but... it's there. This was from my friend's Bible; he's a Jehovah's Witness. Mine just says "fornicators and perverts", I think. The other quote was from the New International Version. Take that as you will. I prefer the Old Testament's quotes anyway, mainly because they're not written by Paul, but you were wondering where it mentionaed homosexuality. That's where. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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written Sunday, June 27 2004 22:23
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YAY4ISOLATIONISM!!1! now will you please wipe the drool from my bib? Aside from ignoring the obvious, even when it's shoved in his face like a streaker on enhancement pills, Moore doesn't seem to care about any non-Americans who were killed by Saddam. Unless they were killed by Bush, of course. EDIT: Wrong words, if you want to know. [ Sunday, June 27, 2004 22:27: Message edited by: Lady Davida ] -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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written Sunday, June 27 2004 22:13
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I don't know much about this subject, but it seems to me that everyone's safety is more important than the temporary confort of an individual. SARS was very much overrated, I've heard, but if it were as bad as everyone thought, I'd have no problem with quarantining infected and contagious persons. It's what saved Italy during the Plague. As for the apples and pears, there must be more behind this. Why does the WTO want Australians to take such a risk? I mean, is it just about money? Is it just that they want more apples and pears in Australia? Or is there a bigger picture, like starving fruit farmers in SE Asia whose very lives depend on Australia taking this risk? In that case, the risk itself should be studied very closely and, depending on the chances and the possible effects, either accepted or rejected. And if I were in that company's shoes, I'd make damn sure that the WTO was willing to accept some of the cost if these forced imports caused such damage. EDIT: Example [ Sunday, June 27, 2004 22:15: Message edited by: Lady Davida ] -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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written Sunday, June 27 2004 19:38
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The quotes posted already show what the Bible says about homosexuality. Someone said something about female homosexuality not being forbidden; I know for a fact that one of Paul's letters forbids it specifically. You've already mentioned Leviticus. So, we have it forbidden in both the OT and the NT. It's almost indefensible to say that the Bible does not prohibit homosexuality. This leaves us with a question: should these rules be followed today? I say the answer is yes. Jesus came to us because of our sins; his purpose in life was to die. But he was also a teacher, and it seems to me that he told us that God was loosening up. RC, do you honestly believe that God has not changed ever? If that is the case, why do the things described in the Old Testament not happen today? It seems to me that he has been backing off, giving us more freedom. This doesn't mean we can do whatever we want, or that we should simply discard the Old Testament laws; Jesus came to modify and moderate them, not to blow them off. We have been given what we need to carry out God's will, so now it's up to us to do so. Jesus also said that even us sinners could go to Heaven, because God is forgiving. From this we can imply that gouging out one's eye for looking lustfully at a woman is metaphoric, not literal, and that we're all allowed a certain degree of sifulness. But how much, and what kind of sin, exactly? To say that all sin is equal is wrong; the Bible does not say this at all, regardless of how many opponents and fundamental supporters of Christianity would have it. Under our laws today, both murder and thievery are illegal, but murder is worse. Christian laws are the same way - God would rather have you steal that loaf of bread and run off with it than have you knife the baker. So where does homosexuality fit in in all this? That, like it or not, is up almost entirely to interpretation. Maybe it's better than thievery, maybe it's worse. Maybe you should hit your father before engaging in intercourse with a partner of the same sex; maybe not. Is it an automatic, one-way ticket to Hell? Certainly not; would Jesus have it that way? But will it lead you in that general direction? Well... if not, why would the Bible forbid it? So, to me, homosexuality is wrong. How wrong, exactly, is a matter of personal opinion. I'm still unsure as to where I stand in this; I'm not even sure I believe in the Bible. Paul does not appear to be all that great of a guy to me, and if God really used him as a mouthpiece, he's got strange tastes. But if you believe in Christianity and follow the Bible, I don't see how you can support homosexuality or even accept it. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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written Sunday, June 27 2004 18:41
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Underdog, Alec? Since when is Michael Moore the underdog? And what, exactly, should we feel self-conscious about? Also, I fail to see why you count Moore among "those of us with a conscience" while implying that the rest of us are without. He does far more injustice to the facts and the naked truth than the president you despise so much. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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written Sunday, June 27 2004 18:28
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The leaving topic was enough, Alec. The welcome one was pushing it a little. But three... -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |