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Creating New Editors for BoA in Blades of Avernum
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Sunday, November 21 2004 12:40 Profile Homepage #20
I notice that you are writing your things in Basic, rather than assembler.

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3D BOA Editor (Windows) in Blades of Avernum Editor
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Thursday, November 18 2004 12:37 Profile Homepage #18
I am aware of the basic order of how things are stored. But remember that "scenario info struct" is not a simple thing. It depends on things like how the data is padded, whether chars are signed, how things have been endianised and so on.

I would love to see an actual file format specification. Please make one, I would genuinely find it useful.

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3D BOA Editor (Windows) in Blades of Avernum
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Thursday, November 18 2004 12:37 Profile Homepage #18
I am aware of the basic order of how things are stored. But remember that "scenario info struct" is not a simple thing. It depends on things like how the data is padded, whether chars are signed, how things have been endianised and so on.

I would love to see an actual file format specification. Please make one, I would genuinely find it useful.

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New Mac BoE
Posts: 1798 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
3D BOA Editor (Windows) in Blades of Avernum Editor
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Thursday, November 18 2004 10:14 Profile Homepage #15
Actually, I think the parts of the editor dealing with the file format are the nastiest and most arcane parts, with the possible exception of the script parsing. There is some weird magic for dealing with endian-ness that I don't want to touch with a bargepole, for a start.

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3D BOA Editor (Windows) in Blades of Avernum
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Thursday, November 18 2004 10:14 Profile Homepage #15
Actually, I think the parts of the editor dealing with the file format are the nastiest and most arcane parts, with the possible exception of the script parsing. There is some weird magic for dealing with endian-ness that I don't want to touch with a bargepole, for a start.

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Speeding up your computer without buying a cable modem. in General
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Tuesday, November 16 2004 15:26 Profile Homepage #6
If you're on dialup, a download accelerator won't help you much anyway.

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"Base Script" in Blades of Avernum Editor
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Wednesday, November 10 2004 01:19 Profile Homepage #6
You'd still have to download the new standard graphics every time, since the mac graphics file format has them all in one file (ewww), so you'd have to download them along with the graphics that are unique to that scenario (or muck around with resedit)

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"Base Script" in Blades of Avernum
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Wednesday, November 10 2004 01:19 Profile Homepage #6
You'd still have to download the new standard graphics every time, since the mac graphics file format has them all in one file (ewww), so you'd have to download them along with the graphics that are unique to that scenario (or muck around with resedit)

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What is your status on your 4 Characters? in Blades of Avernum
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Wednesday, November 10 2004 01:17 Profile Homepage #8
Just out of interest, why do your character names end in .exe?

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A Hypothetical in General
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Sunday, November 7 2004 06:07 Profile Homepage #1
I like to think that I wouldn't, not even for myself.

I hope I never get to find out the truth though.

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Undead Valley Testing Version 8.0 Released in Blades of Avernum
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Saturday, November 6 2004 11:55 Profile Homepage #21
If you're still looking for testers, I'll apply (out of boredom and morbid curiosity)

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Scenario Starts in Blades of Avernum Editor
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 15:08 Profile Homepage #12
Is it calling the right code? You might have it set to call the same state for each exit. If you make the dialog message different for each, it'll be easy to tell.

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Scenario Starts in Blades of Avernum
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 15:08 Profile Homepage #12
Is it calling the right code? You might have it set to call the same state for each exit. If you make the dialog message different for each, it'll be easy to tell.

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Evolution in General
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 12:52 Profile Homepage #1
Get you to the middle ages!

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Scenario Starts in Blades of Avernum Editor
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Monday, November 1 2004 23:46 Profile Homepage #9
It helps greatly to use a text editor that tells you line numbers. Then you can see where the error actually is, rather than making some wild guess.

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New Mac BoE
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Scenario Starts in Blades of Avernum
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Monday, November 1 2004 23:46 Profile Homepage #9
It helps greatly to use a text editor that tells you line numbers. Then you can see where the error actually is, rather than making some wild guess.

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New Mac BoE
Posts: 1798 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
Statistical Survey in Blades of Avernum
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Sunday, October 31 2004 04:24 Profile Homepage #8
quote:
Originally written by Drakefyre:

quote:
Originally written by Khothie:

I think the one comparing BoE's graphics to Exile I's was also a bit of an opinion question.
Not when he gave the version number.
I'd still say it was a matter of opinion. The differences are nothing like those between the Exiles and Avernums.

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New Mac BoE
Posts: 1798 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
Statistical Survey in Blades of Avernum
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Saturday, October 30 2004 23:35 Profile Homepage #5
I think the one comparing BoE's graphics to Exile I's was also a bit of an opinion question.

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New Mac BoE
Posts: 1798 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
Statistical Survey in Blades of Avernum
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Saturday, October 30 2004 13:21 Profile Homepage #1
Oops, I got caught out on one. And one I should have known, too. *runs off and hides*

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What would be the best call to use? in Blades of Avernum Editor
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Saturday, October 30 2004 12:27 Profile Homepage #1
That depends on what you're trying to do. If your plot demands that the item be silently removed, use the first. If the party is supposed to know about it, use one of the other two. Do what is best for your story.

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What would be the best call to use? in Blades of Avernum
Khoth
Post Navel Trauma ^_^
Member # 67
 written Saturday, October 30 2004 12:27 Profile Homepage #1
That depends on what you're trying to do. If your plot demands that the item be silently removed, use the first. If the party is supposed to know about it, use one of the other two. Do what is best for your story.

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Barcoorah: I even did it to a big dorset ram.

New Mac BoE
Posts: 1798 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
Scenario File Format in Blades of Avernum Editor
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Saturday, October 30 2004 08:00 Profile Homepage #9
There is no specification released. I doubt anyone, including Jeff, fully understands the scenario format. The Mac scenario editors released have been modifications of Jeff's, and have not (as far as I know) touched the file I/O section of the code.

If you don't want to reverse-engineer a specification, you could base your editor on the code for the existing one.

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Scenario File Format in Blades of Avernum
Khoth
Post Navel Trauma ^_^
Member # 67
 written Saturday, October 30 2004 08:00 Profile Homepage #9
There is no specification released. I doubt anyone, including Jeff, fully understands the scenario format. The Mac scenario editors released have been modifications of Jeff's, and have not (as far as I know) touched the file I/O section of the code.

If you don't want to reverse-engineer a specification, you could base your editor on the code for the existing one.

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Posts: 1798 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
Next Spiderweb Game in General
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Thursday, October 21 2004 07:04 Profile Homepage #16
Maybe he thought that since you posted as if you hadn't read it, then you hadn't. :cool:

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Next Spiderweb Game in General
Khoth
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Member # 67
 written Wednesday, October 20 2004 07:20 Profile Homepage #7
I doubt that it would be copyright infringement if Jeff acted on an email like "A sci-fi RPG wood b a cool idea. kthxbye"

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