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The Abominable Photo Thread IV: A New Hope in General
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Oh, and Jethro Tull must have used recorders at some point.
Yes. They just didn't use metal.

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How would you deal with an acquainted killer? in General
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I killed your mom's hymen. Does that count?

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Question 3: Disease in General
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Ah, simple-minded kel. Creationists believe in microevolution.

That means that we, the noble and mighty Homo Blancus, did not descend from apes of darker complexion and savage mannerisms, but that we can also be slaughtered wholesale by malicious, Asian viruses, so we had better put our faith in god today!

As for diseases: Not all diseases can be stopped, but proper hygiene and nutrition can stave off much of the spread. The lethal ones should be researched as to develop cures/vaccines as soon as possible. Any other arguments I leave to the scientists.

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Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon:

While it is convenient to say "white" and "black", it would be nice if we opted to identify races by cultural heritage rather than skin color. It is easy to do and helps to move us further away from the time honored tradition of equating skin color with worth.

Thank you.

If we gloss over racial terms, then we pretend the problem doesn't exist. It's the rhetorical equivalent of colorblindness, and it convinces us that we've actually done something to combat racism. It's a placebo. (A white placebo.)

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How the hell can you ban coathangers? Will you actually waste taxpayer time and money to moniter mifepristone black markets? Hell, even OD'ing on birth control pills can be used for abortions within the first three weeks of the pregnancy. And okay, I'm no herbalist, but there are also herbs that can be used for abortions at any phase of the pregnancy.

So let's get beyond the notion that you can actually keep the MEANS out of peoples' hands. The only solution left is to discover whether or not people are pregnant at any one time, and how the hell do you plan on that, Mr. Big Brother? Are you going to give pregnancy tests EVERY DAY?

Preventing abortions is flat-out impossible. You can make it more DIFFICULT, but by no means imposible. I am not arguing in favor or against abortion (although let it be known that banning abortion is a universally wrong thing under any and all circumstances simply because of the misogyny), but your proposition of banning it would be a waste of time.

You COULD prevent abortions, however, by teaching safe sex in schools. Because as much as I'm sure you hate sex, I will say this much: In the heirarchy of sins, sticking latex on your dick is inarguably worse than "booger murder." (Plus, safe sex has the added benefit of keeping STDs on the down-low. Condoms do not prevent STDs from spreadin 100% of the time, but their percentage rating is MUCH higher than you would be led to believe.)

EDIT: And I will get to the rest of the thread whenever I can figure out which points have already been refuted and which remaining ones actually merit my time.

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I wrote a page-long rant here, but I'll save it for appropriate thread. Short summary is that American system is totally messed up and you need to completely reform it to get anywhere.
I agree that some overhauls are necessary, but fewer than you might think. Schools are defined by their students, and urban youth have already suffered far too much at the hands of affluent caucasians at that point to accurately "develop/test their merit."

And urban public schools do NOT have enough funding, even if there are problems with the spending.

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Foreign Aid:
You have to invest enough money into the countries to help them fully develop their economies and educate the people and make sure the money isn't being stolen by corrupt officials if you want the aid to have any effect. Otherwise you'll just end up with 5 times more starving people when the generation you've just saved from starvation grows up and has their own kids.
...thank you, Malthus. News flash: These people are already having kids, and the way things stand, they are almost guaranteed to die of starvation, nevermind live to any decent age before doing so.
Self-sufficiency will be a convenient thing, but it's not the be-all and end-all. I reserve that for preventing the millions upon millions of deaths that we in the civilized world sorta just spit on.

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Get money for it by cutting military budget. US shouldn't be the world policeman and the army doesn't need new genration of stealth bombers. Nobody in the world can compete against the current one. However, the mess in Iraq is likely to eat up a lot of resources for many years to come, so I don't see much foreign aid happening in forseeable future.
Eating up a lot of resources? What, you mean those $200 cans of soda that KBR officials sip on in the walled-off Green Zone of Baghdad?
The costs of Iraq are so massively inflated that it's not even funny. Even if we kept on using the same stuff, we'd do it for a lot less if we didn't go through the most bald-facedly evil cads on the face of the planet to get it.

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Affermantive Action:
How many Asians are you going to kick out of universities to make room for Blacks?
Wo-ho-hoah, racism.

I wasn't thinking of kicking out Asian-Americans. I was thinking of kicking out Whites. (Or heaven forbid, increase spending and add more seats.)

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Racial quotas never solved any problem and there is no way to set them without most people feeling discriminated against.
You know, I went to a private school, and one time in class, Affirmative Action was brought up. And I swear, I was the only person in that room who was in favor of it.

YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN how those people all turned around me and the teacher like fricking vultures. These rich, white, male, privately-educated pricks honestly had the balls to claim that they were being persecuted against. Because, you know, all these dangerous black men are coming to take their Ivy League seats.

My opinion is that white folks should get the fuck over themselves. Now. Affirmative Action isn't discrimination. Rendering African-Americans as a permanently unskilled class through a combination of inequitable "free market" job hirings and an educational system that favors the rich is discrimination.

Help the poor? Fine. You think the quota system needs work? That could be a seperate issue. But I cannot help but wretch at the criticisms people raise against Affirmative Action. It tends to be the most racist vitriol I could ever hope to hear.

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loans to start their own businesses, etc,
...oh, right. How cute. Competition, the solution to all ills.

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And I don't know about your part of the country, but I haven't seen much racism in California.
...are you kidding me?

San Francisco, who put all of its blacks on the other side of the bridge? Or Los Angeles, who put all of its hispanics in the most smog-infested areas of the city? Or are you merely talking about Berkeley, where Synagogues' windows get shattered? (Heck, I'd be curious about Berkeley's demographics.)

Yeah, yeah. Milwaukee has an unemployment rate of over 50% for Black males. But California is by no means pure.

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3. How are you going to prevent "the rich" from replacing their American citizenship with foreign one? (Nobody smart enough to get a million dollars would want to live in a country that takes away most of his money.)
Property tax. Unless the rich want to live in Mexico.
Anyway, your reasoning is: "Don't tax the rich because they'll just get out of it, tax the poor because they're dumbasses?" Or are you saying tha there's some miracle value at which the rich actually accept taxes? The rich will ALWAYS try to evade. It's our job to corner them by any means necessary, chain them to a wall, cut open their insides and send power drills through their eyes.

Or tax them. Either is fine by me.

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Strengthening welfare.
I partially agree, but you need to make sure that sitting on welfare isn't more appealing than taking a minimum-wage job.
Then the minimum-wage needs to stop sucking so badly.

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Labor unions.
I was under impression they are quite powerful already and are one of the main power bases of the Democratic party.
1. Quite powerful? Then why aren't working conditions where they should be?
2. FYI, the democratic party is a bunch of rich, white men, and they don't actually care about poor people.

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Disestablishing religion.
Considering that America already has stronger separation of Church and State than many European countries, I think we are doing fine on this point.
If a preacher in Europe says that we must assassinate Hugo Chavez, does anyone freak out? And yet if Pat Robertson says it, Chavez actually gets scared. Why is that?
If we aren't a christian nation, then why does bush quote the bible so often in justifying taking over Iraq?

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Send troops to Sudan. Hopefully somebody standing up and taking action would convince everyone else to pull their heads out of the sand.
That would make you the first christian leader to ever publically take down genocide.

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I'd also ban abortion, but please, nobody start a flame-fest over that one.
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I can only conclude that there is a huge amount of racism in some areas of the world.
Welcome to America.

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As for Nuclear weapons, well it's only OK for the U.S. to have them.
Yes. Because America never initiates conflicts based on bloodlust, bold-faced greed and lies. No-siree.

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Things that bug me about A4 in Avernum 4
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Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas:

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Originally written by Ephesos:

... So, in short, thank you for sharing, and thank you for keeping the complaints away from the standard "i just dident lyke et" that we get way too often (it is a relief, seriously).
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Originally written by Keto-san:

Things that bug me about A4:

1. It sucks ass.


Fine, you want clarification?

It suffers from the Galactic Core bug.

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NBA Playoffs in General
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Originally written by Mysterious Man:

Watching Baseball on TV just about puts me to sleep. Although, I like watching NASCAR... go figure.
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Sorry I missed a 2 there.
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$25,000 (or higher) for a suburban public student.
$5,000 (if that, probably less) for an urban public student.

I was under the impression that you were discussing urban public education, since discussing suburban public education is patently vaccuous.

Or, okay. If public schools have SOOOOOO MUCH money, then why are programs (ESPECIALLY artistic ones) being cut and constant demands for more funding being made? (And if you mention "teacher unions," you will eat your testicles.) Corruption explains why one out of every ten fruits is overripe, but not why nine out of every ten fruits has already been half-eaten by the grocers before reaching the shelves.

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I think you hit my point. Think about more and you might find out what I was trying to say.
The only logical explanation for your argument is that it is okay for the first world to let deaths that top the holocaust happen on an annual basis because us rich, white folks are somehow "okay" with it. If this is honestly an ethical or moral postulate for you, then you have serious ideological issues to struggle with before this discussion can begin to address the issues of a politic society.

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But, he still can establish himself a good character to make getting a job easier.
Oh. My. Balls. Are you aware how racist this sounds?

You are saying that to COMPENSATE for a social burden on an already economically-desolate situation, a black person should have to SUCK ASS to be on an equal playing ground with a white competitor, who has no such burdens? It's not just that you're denying racism: You are saying that it exists, AND THAT IT IS THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX.

If I hit you in the face and tell you that I hate you, is it somehow your DUTY to tell me how wonderful and beloved I am for fear of being maimed even MORE?

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Somehow I feel this is sarcasm. No that is not the reason why. IF everybody would give up their nuclear weapons I would agree however, unfortiantly somebody would not thus blowing up the world ten times around.
That last bit of verbiage you've got there isn't even a sentence, and even if it was, it'd be a far cry from a logical argument. (Plus, Alec has already hammered out the argument in more words.)

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No, because if our economy moves then our whole country moves.
Are you saying that because America, the richest nation in the world, cannot field its own skilled workers, that our wealth will suddenly go flowing into Europe?

1. I was referring to Europeans migrating here to take jobs
2. Do you know just HOW FRIGGIN' EASY it would be to revitalize 2-year colleges?

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No, I never said that they could not get degrees in fact, I was encouraging them to do so.
YEAH. Because if they brown-nose enough, they might just get admitted to a prestigious university!

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You are absolutely right these megachristians are not what I call a costructive religion these guys don't even believe their own book!
Agreed. Jesus was a socialist, and was a staunch advocate of the lower class in Jewish society.

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ncreasing federal spending for public education:I disagree we are already spending well over $5,000 a year on every child in the united states. The problem is that we are spending that money wrong.
$5,000? And that's it? I assume you are unfamiliar with a private education's tuition. And okay, I know from personal experience that public educational institutions tend to be corrupt and wasteful, but at the end of the day, a public student at only $5,000 cannot help but be behind a private student whose worth might even approach $20,000, and is guaranteed to be at least 2-3 times as high as a public student's.

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Massive increases of foreign aid to stave off starvation and easily-preventable diseases: I disagree here to that is not the goverments job but, I would encourage chariatys to do so.
So wait, you AGREE that something should be done, and yet you don't think that a government, given a choice, should do it? Are you saying that people should have a choice NOT to eliminate starvation?

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Repealing Welfare-2-Work and replacing it with a social net capable of catching something smaller than a barn: I'm not sure exactaly what you are saying here but, I think that welfare should be taken off the governments hands. Though they should still provide work for anybody that wants it, such as building parks.....
Do you know what Welfare to Work is? We've ALREADY privatized welfare.

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Strengthening Affirmative Action to solve the massive unemployment rate of urban blacks (and males in particular): I think this is more of the indiviuals problem if they want a job they get a degree that proves that they are the best person for the job, or get a job with the government. (as suggested above)
You know, you're right. It's a black man's fault if his skin color immediately identifies him as a lazy bum to all employers. He, given massively disparate circumstances economically, should also bear the noble burden of also being hated when trying to land a job.

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Nuclear disarmament: positivily NO
You're right. Because unless we can destroy THE ENTIRE SURFACE OF THE PLANET TEN TIMES AROUND, we cannot truly be safe.

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Recognition of labor unions: No, but maybe recognition of unorganised labor unions. For example all most people want is more money thus costing the companies more and either putting them out of businuss or sending them over seas.
More money, yes. Also, fewer hours, more flexible hours, maternity/paternity leave without losing one's position, etc.
America has an advantage (or, I suppose, it honestly SHOULD and has no feasible reason NOT to), and that is skilled laborers. You cannot outsource carpenters, professors, lawyers, electricians or engineers. Or, okay-- maybe you can outsource them, but only to other first-world countries. And yeah, this HAPPENS, but that'd be INTENSELY easy to rectify. (Of course, by guaranteeing that African-Americans cannot under any circumstances obtain a quality education, we've managed to create a distinctly unskilled class, but that's also a problem that can be solved by doing ANYTHING other than blaming the black community for its own failures.)

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Disestablishing religion: Never, when this country does this I promise you IT WILL FALL!
Well, I give you props for not taking that as sarcasm.
But, well... I'm not quite sure what good is done by placing political power into megachurches and televangelists does for ANYONE. (And most of these megachristians are outright evil for many reasons other than the stranglehold they've been exerting on the rest of us.)

Me, a dictator? Sure. Step one: Relocating the capitol to the Playboy Mansion after the coup.

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Things that bug me about A4 in Avernum 4
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Things that bug me about A4:

1. It sucks ass.

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First thing's first: Most of what causes and fixes government comes from the people themselves. For me to be elected in a world that won't respond to my changes guarantees that they will undo them or prevent them, and for me to be elected in a world that would adopt my changes would get them done regardless of whether I was president or not.

That being said, to answer the question of what legislation a government should pass:

Increasing federal spending for public education. Massive increases of foreign aid to stave off starvation and easily-preventable diseases. Repealing Welfare-2-Work and replacing it with a social net capable of catching something smaller than a barn. Strengthening Affirmative Action to solve the massive unemployment rate of urban blacks (and males in particular). Increased public transportation spending to allow said urban African-Americans to reach their jobs. Massive tax hikes for the rich. Nuclear disarmament. Nuclear power. Increase of minimum wage to a liveable minimum. Socialized health care. Recognition of labor unions. Disestablishing religion. Prohibiting corporations from hiring children abroad and forcing globalized corporations to pay a minimum wage for all workers abroad.

Ah, hell. You get the idea. I'd all but make a commie revolution redundant. (Hell, I probably wouldn't stop there.)

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NBA Playoffs in General
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I've been indifferent towards the NBA for little under 19 years now. :P

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May Day Poll in General
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Spread the Revolution!

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May Day Poll in General
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Originally written by Monaco, baby xx:

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Originally written by Thuryl:

Real communists drink vodka.

Except for Gorbachev, but nobody likes him.

I'm sure his mum did...

His mum what? Liked Gorbachev, or drank vodka during her pregnancy?

I spent the day, um, being leftist in classes?

Hey! The students have become paid-wage laborers too! Pity me. ;_;

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Music: a legitimate poll in General
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Where's the "Video Game Music" option?

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OoC Thread for "An RP in the World of Avernum... *Reloaded*" in General
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Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas:

Also, if all that happened was that you sensed portals opening, how would you know it was demons.
Okay, fine. The Rakshasi wouldn't know that it was demons... But considering the demonic energy-- that is, a symptom of portals going to or from hell...
All I'm saying is, the Rakshasi see this coming. Considering that you'd have a hard time actually surprising them like this anyway, all I'm doing is pre-emptively describing how the strategy is changing.

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The Abominable Photo Thread IV: A New Hope in General
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Originally written by Snafta a.k.a. no chicken for sale:

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First reaction: Wow, she's cute.

Second reaction: Goddamn, she's moustachioed! Back into the closet!

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If your demon army is gathering to the south:
1. It will take more than an instant to open up a portal
2. A hyper-magical race will sense this portal's opening

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Question 2: Imbalance of Wealth in General
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How could you possibly care equally for strangers as compared to your own family. Of course ones family is more important.
First, define "family" for me. We'll move on from there.

Or, I suppose, look at it this way:

If I'm allowed to favor a specific group's well-being at the complete disregard of another group's well-being to the point of complete ignorance of the maligned group's pain, then you are saying that ethics aren't universal-- that is, that it's OKAY for anyone and everyone to treat all people inequally.

This, in turn, justifies Hitler (as Thuryl stated).

And if you cannot combat Thuryl's claim, then we have some serious problems.

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I like the computer where I can type on a keyboard and do the thingies and play games and see and hear what I do and things.
I use the kind that does that.

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