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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 00:33
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I thought a poll might be nice. So, here's a poll. Music genres are always sort of subjective. I've tried to balance being inclusive with making the poll useful, so some genres and subgenres have been lumped together. Classical, Jazz, Rock, and Dance/Electronica have additional questions about subgenres, because there are so damn many of them, and they are popular genres here. One request: Please DO NOT post your individual music preferences in this thread. We already have about fifty threads for that :P Poll Information This poll contains 6 question(s). 42 user(s) have voted. You may not view the results of this poll without voting. function launch_voter () { launch_window("http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=poll;d=vote;pollid=AapYSuJhOHVL"); return true; } // end launch_voter function launch_viewer () { launch_window("http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=poll;d=view;pollid=AapYSuJhOHVL"); return true; } // end launch_viewer function launch_window (url) { preview = window.open( url, "preview", "width=550,height=300,toolbar=no,location=no,directories=no,status,menubar=no,scrollbars,resizable,copyhistory=no" ); window.preview.focus(); return preview; } // end launch_window   -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 01:24
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Rock ftw. It's good to see that you "lumped" sub-genres together - that way, it is more generic, and easier to get a rough idea on the music people like. -------------------- I'll put a Spring in your step. :ph34r: Posts: 2396 | Registered: Saturday, January 29 2005 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 01:27
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Compliments on the poll, it's really good :) . -------------------- There are 400 words in the dictionary that begin with "self" and only 8 that begin with "fellow". When in doubt. . . mumble. Posts: 150 | Registered: Saturday, August 20 2005 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 01:48
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What, no barbershop? -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 01:56
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Barbershop would go under "Showtunes / other melodic" :P -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 05:17
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I protest the lack of Hindustani music. And don't say it's lumped in with Classical, because if that's what you had intended, you would have had it among the options for the third question. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 05:51
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I would argue that Christian rock is not a style but represents a lyrical point of view. from what I understand there are christian versions of punk, metal, alt etc. So, the question on christian rock should really refer to what type of lyrics do you wish included in your favorite form of music or what do you wish the artisits practicing your favorite form of music to sing about. Or, do lyrics even matter to your enjoyment of that style? -------------------- "Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things." "You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares." Posts: 687 | Registered: Wednesday, January 19 2005 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 06:03
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Where's the "Video Game Music" option? -------------------- * Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 06:07
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quote:Video games music also belongs to a certain group. At least, I think so. For example, the music I listen to from Simcity 4 is Jazz/classical, the music from Otto Matic is modern Classical etc.. -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 | Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 06:15
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quote:The music from a few of the FFs have been made into metal. Vote for metal. -------------------- ??? ?????? ???? ????? Posts: 883 | Registered: Wednesday, October 19 2005 07:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 06:20
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ADOS: I actually thought about putting it in, but finally decided the only fair option was to be blatantly Eurocentric and leave an Other option. There was no way to cover every cool culturally-related sort of music. Fatman: Christian Rock is a blanket term that covers those and others (Christian Industrial, anyone?). However, calling it a style is no less legit than for any of the others. Lyrical content is absolutely a part of style and genre. Christian rock music may have lyrics on any number of subjects, within a Christian theme. This is no different from, say, Punk, which has a diversity of lyrics, but certain themes. It's true people fight about what punk is really "about" and different punk bands might have wildly different lyrical content. People also have different ideas about Christianity -- to begin with, there are a buttload of denominations -- and Christian music is similarly diverse.Because Christian Rock is ignored by many people involved in other rock subgenres, it tends to influence itself a lot. As a result, there are musical commonalities among some groups of Christian rock musicians that make it a useful term for musical style in the same way as any other.If you are worried about the term embracing too wide a variety of musical differences, don't be. In practice its constituents tend to have much more in common musically than those of certain other rock styles; Post-Rock is a particularly glaring example.This, of course, is exactly the kind of thing that prompted my comment about genres being subjective. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 06:24
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Video game music tends to be recognized as an actual subgenre in its own right. Note the while there is significant overlap between the subgenre and the music that is played in video games, there is not total overlap. Anyway, I would lump it in with Synthpop and Electronic Art Music. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 07:25
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I can think of no unifying elements to video game music besides the fact that it is from video games, which makes about as much sense as liking movie soundtracks because they're from movies. Video game music falls under another genre, and you can like that genre or not as you choose. —Alorael, who recently read a very interesting argument over whether LOOM, game with its entire score taken from Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake, is musically great or musically terrible. The latter position left him scratching his head. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 07:34
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From Wikipedia: Many of the games made for the Nintendo Entertainment System and other early game systems featured a similar style of music which may come closest to being described as the "video game genre" in terms of musical composition, as opposed to simply "video game music" for being in a video game or being played on a video game console. Some compositional features of this genre continue to influence certain music today, though, game soundtracks currently tend to emulate movie soundtracks more-so than this classic genre. This genre's compositional elements may have developed due to technological restraints. Features of this genre include: Songs almost always have main sections or "verse sections" consisting of chord progressions of four or more chords (similar to much of J-Pop and 1980's Western Pop), as opposed to the two chord progressions found in most Western Pop verses. The "chorus" of the songs also often contain four or more different chords in their chord progressions. Often many songs feature a chord progression which is extremely popular in J-Pop, which (in the key of c) could be given as: F minor, C minor, G major, C minor, with C major quickly inserted before the series repeats again. Overall, there would be generally a higher number of sections of a song than a comparable pop song, as this helps to reduce the repetitive aspect of the music, which was generally played as a continuous loop. This also sets it apart from even J-Pop music or most other forms of popular music. Songs feature a heavy amount of synchronization between instruments, in a way that would be difficult for a human to play. For example, although the tones featured in NES music can be thought of emulating a traditional four piece rock band (triangle wave used as a bass, two pulse waves analogous to two guitars, and an affected white noise channel used for drums), and although video game music was influenced by rock or pop music at the time, composers would often go out of their way to compose complex and rapid sequences of notes. That has been compared to music composition during the baroque period, where it is believed that composers compensated for instruments such as the harpsichord (which do not allow for musical expression based on the volume of the sound) by focusing more on musical embellishments. Composers were also limited in terms of polyphony, or the amount of notes that can be played at once. Only three notes can be played at once on the Nintendo Entertainment System. A great deal of effort was put into creating the illusion that more notes are playing. As of the late 1990s, musical groups covering these melodies have sprung up. One such group is The Minibosses, who attempt to emulate these melodies as closely as possible using real instruments. Another such group is The NESkimos, who opt to explore these songs artistically, and create entirely new songs out of them. The bassline of a large percentage of tunes during the 8-bit period consisted of notes played in the rhythm of a quarter note followed immediately by two eighth notes on most beats. The particular note played would often be the root of the chord. --- If it needs further justification, a number of related, entirely performance-based musical styles have sprung up, with names such as Bitpop, Chip Music, Picopop, Gamewave, etc. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 09:52
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Very nice poll, Starty. After reading this whole string about video game music, I wondered, why not group all soundtracks together as their own genre? Isn't the idea of a soundtrack to relate the listener to events complemented by the music, even when the events aren't going on? quote:Christian rock is more like a sub-subgenre, much like sacred music could be said a subgenre of classical. Lyrics, as Slarty said, are an integral part of the song. There are, yes unfortunately, "Christian versions" of other styles of music. But, in my experience working with a campus radio station for a christian college, many of these are sickeningly poor rip-offs of various style in order to either make money off of an apparrently isolationist subculture, or the work of said isolationist subculture to keep itself from going secular. Most of the better artists have a blend between "secular" and "sacred" work within their colloective repitoire, and are generally considered good artists within a sub-subgenre, not "christian versions" of a genre. See artists like Reliant K, Jeremy Camp, Switchfoot, and the guy that did the Christmas Shoes song (I can never remember his name). Odd unverified subcultural myth: POD was considered "Christian rock" group by the christian community until they stopped doing blatantly "sacred" work, and then they were virtually immediately rejected. One little thing that you have to notice about media in general throughout the ages: Only the good stuff lasts. -------------------- The Silent Assassin has begun yet another attept at creating the ultimate homemade incendiary device. In other news, I can't figure out why all of our toothpaste is missing. -------------------- -Lenar Labs What's Your Destiny? Ushmushmeifa: Lenar's power is almighty and ineffable. All hail lord Noric, god of... well, something important, I'm sure. Posts: 735 | Registered: Monday, January 16 2006 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 10:13
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From my experience, those that listen to Xian music listen to similar material in the secular world, while those that listen to secular material rarely stray into xian forms. Ergo, it is a subculture rather musical. Whether this last statement is right or wrong (I looked at the poll musically) and rereading your poll I believe a proper interpretation of your poll coould (and obviously does) distinguish this as a separate category. I personally listen to several forms of Xian music, but checked off the categories I thought most clearly defined it for me (art rock, punk being two of them). -------------------- "Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things." "You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares." Posts: 687 | Registered: Wednesday, January 19 2005 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 12:57
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quote:Seconded. Very well-thought-out poll, Slartucker. -------------------- Gamble with Gaea, and she eats your dice. I hate undead. I really, really, really, really hate undead. With a passion. Posts: 4130 | Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00 |
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E Equals MC What!!!!
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 16:35
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quote:False. They are still considered a Christian band, and still make blatantly "sacred" music. Their third album was not sold in some Christian stores because the artwork appeared to be pagan to some people. You should be able to pick up "Testify" from any Christian store, though some people still have issues with that one on account of a Hasidic Jewish guest artist. *shrug* As for the "Christian artists ripping off the mainstream" stereotype, I really do think it's overhyped. Sure, you could say that Krystal Meyers is an Avril Lavigne wannabe, but it's not like when Avril came on the scene everybody gasped and said "Oh my! I've never heard anything like this girl before! She is completely unique and original!" You could accuse Coldplay of trying to be U2 or Evanescence of trying to be Lacuna Coil just as easily. Heck, there's a Rogue Traders song going around at the moment with a blatantly stolen guitar riff from "My Sharona". All music has a lot of okay songs/artists who tend to be a bit generic and derivative, and all music has a few genuinely creative artists. That said, Jeremy Camp one of the best? Please. Oh, and: quote:I simply must disagree. Modern Christian music contains way more veriety than you give it credit for. Even Christian Rock alone contains way more variety than you give it credit for. As I Lay Dying as compared to Plumb, for example. [ Tuesday, May 02, 2006 16:41: Message edited by: Ash Lael ] -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 16:54
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I didn't mean to imply that there is no variety in Christian Rock (or Christian music in general). My point was that Christian Rock has more unifying elements than certain other styles, so if Fatman is attacking the use of those labels, he would do better to attack another one. Art Rock, for example, encompasses both Tortoise and Sonic Youth, and I'm hard pressed to come up with anything they have in common, aside maybe from being innovative. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Perhaps I'm simply displaying my ignorance here, as I'm only passingly familiar with the two groups you cited, but from what I know of them, they don't sound massively different. Both seem to have a sort of slow, unusual rhythm, for example. Again, apologies if this is misrepresenting those bands. But yeah, I probably overreacted there. It is pretty irrelevant whether Christian or Art Rock encompasses a wider spectrum. Sorry 'bout that. One could argue that since Christian Rock can also include Art Rock within its umbrella, it is necessarily more varied, but I'll leave that one well alone. [ Tuesday, May 02, 2006 17:28: Message edited by: Ash Lael ] -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 18:27
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For the people who put Other, I am kinda curious what your preferred genres are. I am guessing we have at least one vote for Hindustani music. What else? -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Nuke and Pave
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written Tuesday, May 2 2006 20:19
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quote:I picked "other" (in addition to "classical") because I wasn't sure how to classify Russian and Jewish music that I like. [ Tuesday, May 02, 2006 20:20: Message edited by: Zeviz ] -------------------- Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword, For it too has the power to kill. However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword, Can also have the power to heal. Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, May 3 2006 00:55
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quote:As does metal. For example Darklane - Secondary Effects (.ram) or Novembers Doom - The Pale Haunt Departure (.wmv) versus Nightwish - Sleeping Sun (.ram) or Korpiklaani - Kadet Siipina (.wmv) EDIT: There's more extreme stuff than the first two, but I couldn't be bothered to find music videos of it. The stuff here is the stuff I like enough to have downloaded. [ Wednesday, May 03, 2006 01:01: Message edited by: radix malorum est cupiditas ] -------------------- ??? ?????? ???? ????? Posts: 883 | Registered: Wednesday, October 19 2005 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, May 3 2006 02:29
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I listen to Folk and Classical music, and Jazz on occasion, but not enough to tell apart the subgenres listed. As for classical, I like all of them, although I don't know an example for Medieval music, so I left that out. However, when you say Folk music, do you have any specific culture in mind? I listen to Irish, Japanese Andean and sometimes Native American music, all of which would potentially fit there. The Andean music would fit both in the Folk and in the Latin American genre. -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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quote:I was not attacking anything, except perhaps to create another point of controversy between me and Slarty (heh heh). I was Questioning its inclusion and I later recanted and accepted its legitimacy in the poll. (although I refuse to apply that label to the stuff I listen to, out of spite) ;) -------------------- "Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things." "You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares." Posts: 687 | Registered: Wednesday, January 19 2005 08:00 |
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