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I think that creature creation in Geneforge 2 is similar to that of G1. You do have more variety and there may be some tweaking as far as statistics, but it keeps within the same ballpark.

If you have a creature since the beginning of the game, and you've been taking care of it, raising the stats and so on, it will get very powerful. On the other hand, some of the later creatures are awesome, though. When I played both games as Shaper I had a Fyora for the longest time. But, when I was able to create drakes I got rid of the fyora and had an army of only drakes, but that's just me.

When you can create more powerful creatures see how they perform as opposed to the one you have and see if they fit your game play better.

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No kidding. Even with Frank Herbert's book I got tired after the third. They seem to stretch on forever about little reason to do so. I didn't even bother to read the stuff written by B. Herbert and Anderson. In general, I don't find Anderson that good a writer (actually, I've always thought about him as, at best, a decent collaborator, at worst a hack. I've seen little stuff by him that is truly original, mostly I see him him working in other people's universes. But, there seems to be a market for spin offs out there.)

Though I loved the first books in Asimov's Robot and Foundation series, I didn't care for his latter ones.

The Sword series by Saberhagen weren't bad, but I guess that also deteriorated. Moorcock with his Elric? I only read the first, what do you guys think? I stopped reading Eddings after the Malloreon series, has the rest of his stuff been any good?

I think Zelazny kept pretty true to himself. I like all the Amber books. The second series is different from the first so it didn't seem repetitive.

There's a great series going on right now by George R. R. Martin, the "Song of Fire and Ice." There are three books out and the fourth will come out. . . someday (it's been four years!)

I think that's one of the best fantasy series I've ever read, what do you guys think?

Raymond Feist is also pretty constant with the quality of his output. His worst stuff is readable and his best is very engrossing. He has kept the same style throughout his career, and even the Krondor trilogy which wasn't as hugely epic as others was a lot of fun, I think.

There's this cool series that began a couple of years ago, "The Vampire Earth" by E. E. Knight. It offers a different take on Vampires, which I think is nice. It takes place in a post-apocalytic world, and many times while I read it I felt like I was in "Fallout." If you like that kind of adventures, I recommend it. You may find a copy in a used book store, if you don't want to risk spending the money for a new copy.

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I don't want to go on a rant, but I think Jordan has gone downhill in a calamitous way. Take every single time that Wiley E. Coyote had fallen down a cliff, add them together and multiply them times the money (in pennies) inside Fort Knox.

His first five books were neat. The Sixth one was absolutely boring and meandered through pointlessness like an expert for about 900 pages, until in the last 100 or so it threw a little action to cover the insane stillness from the previous 900. Or so.

Book seven and eight ignored, in many ways, what had happened in the previous six, began completely new threads, stopping or simply """improving""" previous arcs by adding unnecessary complications.

Book eight did little to quell the messes done in seven.

Book nine I couldn't read until I saw how it made a friend of mine, a grown man, cry in desperation and total, complete, sadness at seeing how a potential great series had been raped.

The series suffers of: "Hey people love my stuff, I'm just gonna keep writing more and more and more and more and more and more and never ever ever ever reach any kind of resolution for anything. And, IF by any weird chance I do reach a resolution to an arc, I'll make sure it is completely worthless and will just start another arc right there to keep my faithful servants and salves keep on making me rich." Maniacal laugh in high decibels then ensues. Sensoround! Digital extreme system! Holographic too!

No one has any clue when this series will ever come to an end. At this rate, it will have to be continued by some other author since, to be sure, Jordan won't finish it in his lifetime, unless he hires a cleaning team and they tie every single crazy arc into a neat package in a book or two.

Bah.

I, too, spent three or four days, doing nothing but reading the first six books in a row. I slept and kind of ate during that time (only the lack of acceptable diapers forced me to go to the bathroom)

It was a big dissapointment. It turned a flower lover hippie into a sad, sad cynic.

Icshi and anybody: Not telling you not to read it (what do I know, in the end) but wait until you are old and have retired, maybe by that time the series will be over. Or, if you're old and retired already, wait until you're older and have a desease that doesn't let you leave your house. Maybe by that time the series will be over.

Anyway. This is just my opinion. I could be wrong.

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I like Stephen Gould, I haven't read Rock of Ages yet.

This is a book I read ages ago, but I still remember it fondly: The Cheese and the Worms by Carlo Ginsburg. It's about a Miller in the 16th century with a very curious cosmological view. The inquisiton get their hands on him.

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I use the editor in some of the silliest situations (no specific example comes to mind). Basically, if I'm in some battle and forgot to buy enough potions or I'm too lazy that day to go out and find a place to sleep, I cheat. I heal my characters, resurrect someone if I'm too lazy to walk to a town (which would take two minutes of real time).

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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d20 is the rage these days. Not only is SW a d20, but also CoC. From what I've seen in quick scanning of the rules for CoC and SW, mostly out of curiosity, and what I've seen by playing KotOR, the problem with d20 is all systems are beginning to resemble each other too much.

If you see the feats, for instance, in SW and D&D, sometimes all you need to is change a laser for a sword. And since SW can use melee weapons, you may not need even that.

Maybe this is a conscious decision on the part of the designers to make RPG more friendly to the newer audiences. Some people complain that the changes in the d20 system have made the characters more powerful after a certain number of levels.

Well? I think one only needs to make the enemies more powerful, and maybe make the battles either more tactic than just hack & slash, or just concentrate on other aspects of role playing.

Anyway, if you've played Baldur's Gate (Icewind, Planescape, etc) and then played Neverwinter, you may see some of the differences between AD&D and 3rd Edition. It may not be the same as PnP RP, but it gives you some inkling.

(also, how powerful can you ever be in CoC when the more you learn, the more insane you get, and the big enemies are. . . well, big.) ;)

Edit1: Partly answered my own question: SW and D&D fall under the WotC empire.

Edit2: the whole AD&D is a little bit of several things, I think. If you're playing 2nd Ed, you may refer to is as such, or just say D&D for short. If you're playing 3rd edition, then it might be silly to say you're going to play AD&D since the "A" stood for Advanced to diferentiate it from the regular D&D. Or you may just be stuck in nostalgia and refuse to use any other nomenclature :P

Edit3: Just saw in the Chaosium page that apparently the Mythos CCG is still kinda big in Finnland. That's neat! It was a cool game. :D

[ Friday, March 18, 2005 13:59: Message edited by: behind stingy cactus ]

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Hola!

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I once heard that pornography is better paid prostitution.

Prostitution, as a concept, is not the problem, and I think it serves a need. Some people may find it hard to have sex on their own for whatever reason. Or maybe they suck at it and need some practice. Or any other number of reasons.

As has been stated above plenty of times, most recently by Alec, it's the conditions in which they work, and the dangers they are subjected to, that is execrable.

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Hi. Sorry if I came a little too strong earlier today. I was talking from my gut and not my brain.

Rogue. Here you can find some info on the history of the game in addition some Rogue like games.

I've enjoyed a good number of Rogue like games through the years, but my favorite so far is a 1980's Mac game called "Dungeon of Doom" (which I think you can download it here, but since I'm using a PC I don't know if the link works or not.) The reason it's my favorite is mostly nostalgia, since it was the first Rogue like game I played.

E_T: I've also been tempted to buy World of Warcraft. I've never played a mmorpg, and the fact that I have to pay 30 dollars (or whatever the amount is) a month makes me a little weary, even though I've enjoyed all the Blizzard games I've played.

Anybody recommends WoW? Actually are those mmorpg worth the time/money?

Here's a Question for Mac Users, specially those who played 1980's games:

There was an RPG whose name was something like "Zornth" or "Xornth." (or maybe nothing like that, I remember an "X" somewhere) My memory about it is as vague as it gets:

I remember when you hit someone, the monsters hit points were shown as a circle (I don't recal numbers) which either was filled or emptied the more you hit it. I also seem to remember that you had a little "fist" icon when you hit.

There were several maps. The last one had caves.

Boy, this is vague!

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Waffle Guy and Poot: Re your comments about the quality of the community's scenarios.

BoA is young, but in its youth it has already seen a few well done scenarios, and they keep getting better every time.

If you want to see how wrong you are about the creativity of the fine men and women in the Community, download BoE, and play some of the scenarios in it. You can check the Lyceum for more info on the BoE and BoA communities.

I think, after you've played some of these scenarios, that you may see the error of your ways. ;)

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Hi.

Could you tell me where I can find the Justice Lance and the Dagger of Hate? I don't remember finding those two.

If I recall correctly, the weapons I liked the most where the Crosbow, the Black Halberd and the Mithril Blade.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Soon. . . The Ides of March has come and gone. If it's in March that it's going to come out, 13 days at the most.

(It'd be funny, in a way, if the forum ended up in the same place as Richard White's board.)

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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sos (heh. intentional?) I'm pretty much going to reiterate what Alo just said.

I also wholeheartedly recommend you this game. You will see some differences between Avernum and this one. The automap, for one, is a bit bigger and the dungeon doesn't fit completely inside it.

The game is smaller than any other SpidWeb game. However, it does have the best plot.

It's a shame that it is the only stand alone game that Jeff's ever done since that may give the wrong idea. Well, the truth is that it didn't sell as well as the others, at least from what I've heard and read (well, read), but that doesn't mean it's bad.

Download the Demo and take a look. The rest of the game is similar to the Demo in that there aren't any big changes, just more of the adventure.

You can play as both sides in the Demo, and there are some places you can explore through twice, as each group, yet for different reasons.

The magic system is cool. The differences between the groups, both in game play and storyline are strong enough that you won't feel like you're just playing the same thing again with different characters.

Also, some of us here in the community like it so much that you'll see, now and then, people wishing for Nethergate 2, though that seems rather unlikely. On the other hand, it seems unlikely we would ever see a Fallout 3 and. . .

Good luck!

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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D'oh. Completely forgot GH.

AM: it's interesting that you mention Greyhawk, since "Temple of Elemental Evil" was made into a so-so game. It's the sign of the times that we've been talking about D&D and we haven't had to make a distinction between AD&D and D&D :P

(I never had the rule book, but I've dug up three of the DL modules for nostalgia's sake. The map for the "Lands of Abanasynia" in the "Dragons of Hope" module is huge. I miss the way they used to do modules. Or, for that matter, CRPGs. It may sound like waste of resources, but I liked it when I bought a game and it brought something extra, like the Infocom games, or for example Ultima IV with the ankh, or Ultima II with the cloth map. At least some modern games are doing something similar, like the manual for the FO games or that for Arcanum.)

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Dolphin: If I understood well what you were describing, that sounded like an Escort service. If that's the case, those things are all over the place in the States. They are indeed more expensive, and supposedly those who practice it take better care of themselves.

I doubt the current state of Republicanism will last long. On the other hand, that may be an overdose of optimism talking.

Stugie: 15 ain't that old. I've known people that didn't care one bit about sex or had any sexual urges until they were 21, or even older.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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I think the company may be kaput. I tried googling it some time ago and got nothing. I may be wrong.

However. . . read the other thread in this board to get a feeling of how these games are generally considered.

Ta!

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Must be something funky with the matrix. Second Deja Vu.

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Must be something funky with the matrix. Second Deja Vu.

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Singletons (I say this and think of John Singleton every time) is a fine way to play the game. Usually people begin with 4 characters.

One of the advantages of 4 characters is that you can carry more stuff.

Also, you can see how different combinations of skills work out. With only one player you are more limited unless you play it again and again trying different combos.

Also, it's a bit of an old tradition in many CRPGs to have a multi-character system.

There are other reasons as well.

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AM: Thank you. As I read this post I was hoping someone would say something similar to what you said. Salve Andrew!

Alec's post: anybody who disagrees with it should go to a Zen Monastery for a decade and meditate upon their mistakes. Either that or join one of those monasteries in Ireland where one gets to do a lot of self-flagelation as one meditates.

Role Playing Games: Note to the younglings out there. As mentioned above, you are playing those computer games of yours that you like so much because, more than likely, one or two (to be on the safe side with a small amount, likely the amount is around 50-90% percent, aslthough by the way the new generation thinks) played an RPG when they were kids (more than likely DnD) or played some Warhammer or some kind of miniature game and loved it so much they decided to make a Computer version of it.

Note: Baldur's Gate, any of you heard about it? Well, it's Forgotten Realms, which is a spin off of DnD. (in fact, Jesus christ on skates, the rules for the game are a computerized version of those in DnD!)

Ever played a strategy game? Even the dumbest of them probably owes something to the AH or SPI board games of old, or some miniature battle simulation game. These in turn may owe something to the simulations mentioned by Alec.

(and though this is a detour from the RPG thread, if some of you guys criticized RPG without ever playing them, can't wait to see what you'd say about the 60's and 70's military board games...)

For many years, and this still exists to some point, there has been a bit of a schism. There are those who role play and then there are those who play with miniatures. Both fine, fine endeavours. Some brave souls have attempted both.

When Lord British sat down to do Ultima, I think you can be pretty sure he had done some DnD or some other kind of PnP role playing before hand.

Ever heard of Raymond E. Feist? Maybe he is not your type of author, he is a bit successfull. Well, in case you didn't know, the world of Midkemia first saw the light of day in a role playing game (not quite DnD since they were doing their own thing, but same basic principle)

Also, when the good people of Sir-Tech sat down to do Wizardry they more than likely had played DnD.

Or the good people of Infocom, etc.

This is all old news? Well, d'oh. But what are the foundations for the games you play today?

(this is all before the days of tridimensional walls and visual aids like today. Just a bunch of geeks sitting in a table with too much cola and chips discussing whether a lighting bolt can bounce in just such a way over a mirror)

I'm not saying that every single CRPG developer has role played in hers or his life, but. . .

As for knocking this game, that is just dumb. How can you knock a game by seeing some picture, or some web site.

Find a person in your town who plays this, preferably someone you like or at the very least tolerate, and give it a shot. Then you can piss on it as much as you want.

Also, an RPG is just as good or total crud as the GM (and, of course players) in it. If your GM is a person with a god complex who only wants to be there to feel superior. . . good luck! On the other hand when there is an organic and harmonious relationship between GM and players and both contribute to the story and the world and are there to have fun, then it's great.

Since Warhammer is fairly huge and available in many places, give it a shot. This is miniature fighting simulation. Very, very cool (also very expensive, but you can do good with the starter box)

Or, if you like strategy games, you may want to give it a try to one of the old (or modern) military board games. They are very cool, though can get very long too.

Also, in case this was not obvious: DnD is not, by any stretch of the imagination, the only RPG out there. There have been literary scores of them.

Here are some of the most popular at one point or another:

GURPS this was by Steve Jackson, and it was supposed to be a universal rule system for RPG (thus the name), it wasn't bad. Many, many tables, but fun if you waddled through them.

Vampire: The Masquerade Yeah, the game is based on this. It is virtually diceless. Far as I know it all began with this. After this you had the books, the games, the stuff. Spin Offs: Werewolf (okay), Ars Magic (one of the absolute best fantasy RPG ever made. Period)

Palladium Games They made a few, and still exist. RIFTs, a Robotech and a Super Hero game I don't remember much about. Most used the same or similar rules. Fun stuff, but combat took forever, at least on Rifts which is the one I remember more clearly.

Star Wars It was a d6 system (d stands for die, and 6, well. . . This means that the onyl dice you used were 6 sided) and fairly cool.

Star Trek I don't how many companies carried the ST logo on their systems. I never played any of these.

ShadowRun Another d6 system. Fun stuff. Cyber Punkish.

Amber Based on the great series by Roger Zelazny. One of the few Non-dice systems around (Vampire use dice once in a while)

Call of Cthulhu Lovecraft. Need I say more? (oh, yeah, it's awesome. But I'm baised)

And I know I'm missing a few obvious ones here.

DnD is so obscure it has gone through 3 editions and it has seen two movies with its name on the title (terrible, terrible, terrible movies though!)

As mentioned above in this post Forgotten Realms is a spin off of DnD (basically it is a HUGE DnD world) but it is not the first. The whole DragonLance series was (I think, I'm not sure) the first books written on a DnD universe.

Planescape? Ever played it? Well, that is a spin off of DnD, basically the same basic rules, but different books that you had to buy. There was also Spellhammer, but wasn't very successful, and there was also Ravenloft (based on a. . . 1986? Module)

So, for those of you who are Attanasio's fans. No drows without DnD.

That Mr. Cool Vin Diesel (I hate the guy, but that's just me) even played it. Maybe even plays it still.

And for the record: that whole "you've gotta be smart to play this game" (ANY role playing game), fiddlesticks! If you've ever read a book you can play it.

I would've thought that anybody who sits down to RP in the computer had done at least some kind of PnP RPG, but I see I'm mistaken.

I used to think that these games didn't work for the socially self-conscious (by that I mean the "I'm too cool for this" crowd), until I realized that most people who play it are in a closet for some reason.

I've stopped being amazed at people in this supposedly Machista country. I talk to them about RPGs, some are intrigued (even Macho men) we do an impromptu session and, though many don't become converts, at least they don't go around pissing on the concept either.

It simply becomes something that ain't their thing. Which is cool. Some zip first, then button. Some do it the other way around. Haven't seen any fight over such difference yet.

Edit: a "whole" wasn't well written. A "Chew on that!" on the Attanasio part.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Hello OM.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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17 degrees or so. It's dry season. Will last until May or June if the weather doesn't go crazy on us again. Sun, trees, birds, grass, mountain, little babies gagaing, here. In the city: traffic, horns honking, pollution, insults, stress.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Humanoid Species In Mythology in General
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Jack Vance's Ska from Scandinavia. They can be read in his brilliant Lyonesse trilogy.

(actually, many books by him showcase fantastic humanoids.)

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Hi FBM! Nice new name.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
Random Jack Vance Quote Manual Generator Apparatus (Cugel's Saga)
Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00

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