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Displayed name	Kelandon
Member number	4045
Title	Off With Their Heads
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Registered	Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00

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Party Makers in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Sunday, May 16 2004 10:45 Profile Homepage #7 Yeah, with a HLPM, you can know for sure that you're at the power level that the designer of the scenario wants you to be. Using the Character Editor, you could end up anywhere. Besides, a HLPM is far more powerful than the Character Editor. You can give custom items (as long as they don't have custom graphics), for example. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Party Makers in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Sunday, May 16 2004 10:45 Profile Homepage #7 Yeah, with a HLPM, you can know for sure that you're at the power level that the designer of the scenario wants you to be. Using the Character Editor, you could end up anywhere. Besides, a HLPM is far more powerful than the Character Editor. You can give custom items (as long as they don't have custom graphics), for example. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Three wishes in General
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Sunday, May 16 2004 10:01 Profile Homepage #41 Dark energy and dark matter seem pretty mystical to me. Also, regardless of how verified or accurate quantum mechanics is, it still seems pretty mystical at its heart. But you're right. EDIT: Oh yeah, the topic. I wanted money, women, and to be the leader of a country. Apparently no one wants the responsibility of that one. Fine, then: Kelandon for president in 2028! EDIT 2: To make sense. [ Sunday, May 16, 2004 10:42: Message edited by: Pronounced Kel-LAN-don ] -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
A game programmer's point of view in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Sunday, May 16 2004 06:02 Profile Homepage #17 The scripting language comes more from Geneforge than from the Avernums, I think. The Avernum Trilogy did not include any scripts with the game, whereas Geneforge did -- and you could tell by the complex behavior of characters in the game that they had custom scripts. In Avernum, ever character used the same program, something similar to basicnpc (except with less of a pathfinding algorithm). Towns didn't have their own scripts; they probably had the same nodes as in Exile. So basically, the Avernums worked very much like Exile in terms of their programming, and BoA works a lot more like Geneforge. These are just my surmises from having played all of these games and looked around in their included files, but I'm pretty sure this is how it works. If I'm not mistaken, there are a substantial (haven't counted, but substantial) number of calls that we have for BoA that aren't equivalent to nodes Jeff used in the Avernums. [ Sunday, May 16, 2004 10:41: Message edited by: Pronounced Kel-LAN-don ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
A game programmer's point of view in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Sunday, May 16 2004 06:02 Profile Homepage #17 The scripting language comes more from Geneforge than from the Avernums, I think. The Avernum Trilogy did not include any scripts with the game, whereas Geneforge did -- and you could tell by the complex behavior of characters in the game that they had custom scripts. In Avernum, ever character used the same program, something similar to basicnpc (except with less of a pathfinding algorithm). Towns didn't have their own scripts; they probably had the same nodes as in Exile. So basically, the Avernums worked very much like Exile in terms of their programming, and BoA works a lot more like Geneforge. These are just my surmises from having played all of these games and looked around in their included files, but I'm pretty sure this is how it works. If I'm not mistaken, there are a substantial (haven't counted, but substantial) number of calls that we have for BoA that aren't equivalent to nodes Jeff used in the Avernums. [ Sunday, May 16, 2004 10:41: Message edited by: Pronounced Kel-LAN-don ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Party Makers in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Saturday, May 15 2004 16:07 Profile Homepage #3 I was thinking about working on a general party maker that would work sort of along these lines. But the general apathy that this thread received convinced me that no one yet cares. Maybe later, when some more high level scenarios are out. [ Saturday, May 15, 2004 16:07: Message edited by: Pronounced Kel-LAN-don ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Party Makers in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Saturday, May 15 2004 16:07 Profile Homepage #3 I was thinking about working on a general party maker that would work sort of along these lines. But the general apathy that this thread received convinced me that no one yet cares. Maybe later, when some more high level scenarios are out. [ Saturday, May 15, 2004 16:07: Message edited by: Pronounced Kel-LAN-don ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
semi-article: Attach your document in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Saturday, May 15 2004 16:01 Profile Homepage #10 Do you have the same complaints about the big-name designers? If I were making a readme, I would copy Alcritas's format, or TM's from his later scenarios, or Brett Bixler's, or if I had a big scenario, Stareye's. At the Gallows in particular has a good readme. Old scenarios or scenarios by lesser-known designers don't necessarily have good readmes, though. In the early days, I think it was more standard to have the intro text to the game say everything that needed to be said. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
semi-article: Attach your document in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Saturday, May 15 2004 16:01 Profile Homepage #10 Do you have the same complaints about the big-name designers? If I were making a readme, I would copy Alcritas's format, or TM's from his later scenarios, or Brett Bixler's, or if I had a big scenario, Stareye's. At the Gallows in particular has a good readme. Old scenarios or scenarios by lesser-known designers don't necessarily have good readmes, though. In the early days, I think it was more standard to have the intro text to the game say everything that needed to be said. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Happy Beltane! in General
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Saturday, May 15 2004 11:25 Profile Homepage #103 Neh, such historical tampering does not suit me. I have a different idea, which I suspect would suit everyone just fine: I will never, ever again respond to an FBM post or refer to one. That will save SW its precious bandwidth and save everyone else the headache. -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Happy Beltane! in General
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Saturday, May 15 2004 11:05 Profile Homepage #101 Now that I look it up, "misspelled" does indeed have a double S. But that's cheating, Boots. You did his work for him. I was wondering if FBM would go to the trouble, because my impression of his posts is that he puts no more thought or effort into them than the average three-toed sloth puts into its daily routiine. "And its friends"? Is this just to suggest the other forms of the word -- of which I note one in my post -- or that I have misspelled other words? I ask because as I read over these posts, I wrote "mispell" AFTER the frenetic gerbil collection in question claimed that I could not spell. I am still waiting for his answer about what I wrote that was incorrect that caused him to write that, then. -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Rankings in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Saturday, May 15 2004 03:51 Profile Homepage #1 Rankings of what kind? I could give about three or four different answers to this question. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Happy Beltane! in General
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Saturday, May 15 2004 03:29 Profile Homepage #97 What flames! While I admit that my last post was rather hostile, for which I apologize, it did contain arguments, in addition to things that could be interpreted as personal attacks. Yours contained only personal attacks. I did check the definition of sophistry before I made that post. Alec's usage is still right. That doesn't mean your definition is wrong. That just means you need not have corrected him. And I challenge your statement that you can spell better than me. Find an instance of me mispelling anything. I would be interested to know. (Bear in mind that I am an American, so spelling words like "color" without the U is correct for me.) For the record, this means that you have TWO questions to answer at this point, namely: how do you propose to create a method for predicting people's behavior that will work well enough to design a governing system around it, and when have I ever mispelled anything? If you ignore one of them (as you are wont to do), I will assume that you don't have an answer. EDIT: By the way, the reason that I don't shut up about things is that I don't get tired of discussing them. I just wonder about someone who repeatedly says, "This is my last post in this topic," "This is my final word on the subject," and other statements to that effect, but then continues to post. I'm fine talking for about things until the mods come in and lock the topic. EDIT 2: Come to think of it, that wasn't entirely fair. The sophistry thing could've been construed as a point of some kind. It just wasn't related to the central issue of discussion. [ Saturday, May 15, 2004 03:46: Message edited by: Pronounced Kel-LAN-don ] -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
A game programmer's point of view in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Saturday, May 15 2004 03:17 Profile Homepage #13 Screenshots? Where? -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
A game programmer's point of view in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Saturday, May 15 2004 03:17 Profile Homepage #13 Screenshots? Where? -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Happy Beltane! in General
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, May 14 2004 19:54 Profile Homepage #95 quote: Kel, two things, WHEN did I use the present tense? You didn't make that clear. In the post under discussion, the one that I quoted in my last comment on your ideas. Specifically, quote: it is possible to create a method of predicting someone's behaviour that will work 99.9999% of the time. The verb "is" is the present tense active indicative third-person conjugation of the verb "to be." quote: Secondly, it is possible. It's just the resources required to make it work would be inordinately large for it to have any overall benefit. So it's possible, huh? How? How do you propose to create this method? How do you propose to succeed where the greatest minds of the past several centuries have failed? How do you, a fifteen-year-old who can't spell, propose to outdo the greatest psychologists, sociologists, biologists, cognitive scientists, economists, statisticians, and politicians alive today? Go ahead. Tell me. Even if people wanted to create a method for predicting people's behavior to the ten-thousandths decimal place, how could it be done? Alec is still correct that one is practicing sophistry if one knows that a point is wrong and argues in favor of it anyway. That is the practice from which the term came, from the ancient Greek Sophists, masters of rhetoric who could (and did) argue in favor of anything. quote: I tend to tire after a while of it. And yet you don't shut up about it. How hypocritical. -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
A game programmer's point of view in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, May 14 2004 13:57 Profile Homepage #10 Does this mean we'll have to wait until 2010 for BoG? Seriously, though, I think that statement above spells doom for a Geneforge engine-based scenario maker. Which means the question of what's next after GF3 is even more interesting now. Oh, and just a thought: the Blades games do last better than the others, don't they? I would imagine people are still buying BoE at rates that far outstrip E3 or E2. [ Friday, May 14, 2004 13:59: Message edited by: Pronounced Kel-LAN-don ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
A game programmer's point of view in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, May 14 2004 13:57 Profile Homepage #10 Does this mean we'll have to wait until 2010 for BoG? Seriously, though, I think that statement above spells doom for a Geneforge engine-based scenario maker. Which means the question of what's next after GF3 is even more interesting now. Oh, and just a thought: the Blades games do last better than the others, don't they? I would imagine people are still buying BoE at rates that far outstrip E3 or E2. [ Friday, May 14, 2004 13:59: Message edited by: Pronounced Kel-LAN-don ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Happy Beltane! in General
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, May 14 2004 10:39 Profile Homepage #92 Hypocrisy is, indeed, saying one thing and doing another. Believing one thing and saying another is just lying. Believing one thing and arguing for another because no one else will is playing the devil's advocate, though, which is a perfectly legitimate activity if done well. It takes a truly skilled rhetorician, though. -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
full screen mode in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, May 14 2004 10:32 Profile Homepage #3 Just to confirm: yes, it is done in the prefs, which are under the File menu, not the BoA menu as one might expect. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Three wishes in General
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, May 14 2004 10:28 Profile Homepage #24 quote: It could well mean the English that Paine wrote in, it could well mean pre-Shakespeare That would only be true if it weren't a standardized term. Thus, early Modern English could mean damn near anything, but Early Modern English means exactly what you describe towards the bottom of your post. I feel as though I have this on pretty good authority, because my source is Dr. Nicholas Howe, who wrote the book on Old English (literally -- he edited the Norton Critical Edition of Beowulf). -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
A game programmer's point of view in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, May 14 2004 09:40 Profile Homepage #7 quote: You have to make the underlying game worth it's salt too (or have it as part of a series, such as the A1-3 series, then Blades), or you'll never get anyone to make a bunch of scenarios. This is what worries me a tiny bit about Pygmalion. Still, most of the best BoE scenarios have nothing to do with the Exile setting. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
A game programmer's point of view in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, May 14 2004 09:40 Profile Homepage #7 quote: You have to make the underlying game worth it's salt too (or have it as part of a series, such as the A1-3 series, then Blades), or you'll never get anyone to make a bunch of scenarios. This is what worries me a tiny bit about Pygmalion. Still, most of the best BoE scenarios have nothing to do with the Exile setting. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Three wishes in General
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, May 14 2004 09:33 Profile Homepage #21 Because people have wandered around this without saying it: the most formal academic term is Early Modern English. [ Friday, May 14, 2004 09:33: Message edited by: Pronounced Kel-LAN-don ] -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Better for map making... in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, May 14 2004 08:07 Profile Homepage #1 Once you get used to BoA, it's not hard. I had to remake by hand three towns from Avernum before I got a handle on how it works, but I say if you're going to be making it for BoA, make it in BoA. Besides, BoA gives you more choices. You can make different heights, for example. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00

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