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Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
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AM, while I am not a Christian, and even if I were, I would not be in favor of Biblical literalism, I still have yet to see a counter-argument to what I posted near the beginning of this thread. The whole pork issue is moot. Peter says in Acts (3 times!) that Gentiles need only follow a few simple rules before becoming Christians: refrain from idolatry, avoid sexual immorality, and avoid eating blood or things that have been strangled. While I don't know if the latter rule applies in the case of pork, the idea here was that most of the Law was thrown out at this point. Chapter 18 of Leviticus (concerning sexual morality) was not, at least not right here. And I have not heard anyone arguing with specific evidence that it was thrown out anywhere else, either.

Well, unless you take one of a few outs: the Law is symbolic anyway; the whole "love everyone" thing takes precedence; Jesus's words are from God but the disciples were fallible; or the whole thing is outdated anyway. None of these seem to be firmly Biblically grounded. The question that I presented was about the Bible and what it actually says, not about what we should do in consequence, and while this thread has taken a life of its own (as I figured it would), that is still the question at hand.

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Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue
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2 Final Questions (for a while) in The Exile Trilogy
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Ack, either my browser is misbehaving badly or Avernum Annotated Maps is down. Oh well.

I think the Orb is in the Waterfall Warrens, a screen north and then west of Sss-Thsss's castle. It's in a slightly obscure path through the warrens -- you will probably have to save and just try them all, unless someone remembers more thoroughly than I do.

The usual disclaimer applies: all this is from memory, and my information is from A1, not E1, but I think it's accurate.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
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Misc. Scenario ideas/wishlist in Blades of Avernum
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Nah, you're still a n00b. You have a lower member number than me :P

This post is spam. I was hoping for something to make it less so, but honestly, I have nothing to contribute. Well, except that I thought that Formello (and the nearby Fort, um, Draco, I think) were pretty cool, so mining is, um, good.

Nope, still spam. Oh well.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Ending a scenario in Blades of Avernum Editor
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My bad. Honestly, I was thinking:

if (choice == 1)
block_entry(1);
and just delete the end call entirely. It doesn't really make that much of a difference.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Ending a scenario in Blades of Avernum
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My bad. Honestly, I was thinking:

if (choice == 1)
block_entry(1);
and just delete the end call entirely. It doesn't really make that much of a difference.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Graphics Comp Rules... in Blades of Avernum
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Slith dialogue pics would be nice, seeing as how I have roughly 235723537409382 talking sliths in my scen. Edited slith character graphics would also be nice, too.

But that's just for me, not for the competition. :P

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
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Timed Events in A3 in The Avernum Trilogy
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Buy horses right off. Use them whenever you travel anywhere. Without rushing in the least, I finished the game on day 110, having done every single quest in the game (and I checked the hint book to make sure).

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Any Blades of Avernum guides? in Blades of Avernum
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Southwest of the outdoors. I don't remember precisely, but head west from Sweetgrove for a screen or two and then southwest and you should find him eventually. Or someone with a more specific memory can post real directions.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
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Overwhelming, for someone who is so emphatic about studying the actual texts and finding out what they say, you certainly tend to agree with the medieval Christian interpretation, not the scholar's interpretation.

For instance: the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Yes, the Devil is portrayed as a snake in various places, and yes, it would make sense that the serpent is him, but the Bible does not explicitly say so, and if you look carefully at the quote that you cited, you'll notice that.

More to the point, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for sins, and I think the Bible even says something about sexual immorality being involved, but to the best of my knowledge, it does not explicitly say that homosexual practices of any kind were involved in its destruction.

Also, as for anti-homosexual Biblical passages, I think you just cited the passages to which Xan Kreigor's earlier post referred. You may wish to re-read the interpretations he presented, as those interpretations are founded in the context of the passages and the original Greek.

I just want to say I'm surprised at the level of civility here in this thread. I started it because I was bored and expected it to degenerate into a flame war by page 4 and be locked on page 5. Good job, everyone!

EDIT: Apologies for lacking details in the above references. I don't have time right now to write out a full post.

[ Sunday, July 11, 2004 17:09: Message edited by: Just Call Me Kel ]

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Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue
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How do you people DO it?! in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Says the man who has completed 20 scenarios or so. :P

Scripting is easier or harder depending on your level of experience with programming and the way your brain is wired. One of the downsides to the elaborate scripting engine for BoA is that those who are able to write a really good story but can't program worth a damn won't be able to do much with BoA. But then, those who can program AND can write good stories have the power to do amazing things.

It's easy for some and not for others, so don't freak out if someone thinks it's hard. The manual is not that great unless you already know some coding techniques.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
How do you people DO it?! in Blades of Avernum
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Says the man who has completed 20 scenarios or so. :P

Scripting is easier or harder depending on your level of experience with programming and the way your brain is wired. One of the downsides to the elaborate scripting engine for BoA is that those who are able to write a really good story but can't program worth a damn won't be able to do much with BoA. But then, those who can program AND can write good stories have the power to do amazing things.

It's easy for some and not for others, so don't freak out if someone thinks it's hard. The manual is not that great unless you already know some coding techniques.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Ending a scenario in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Right before the end call. So...

if (choice == 1)
block_entry(1);
end();


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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Ending a scenario in Blades of Avernum
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
Profile Homepage #15
Right before the end call. So...

if (choice == 1)
block_entry(1);
end();


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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
2 Final Questions (for a while) in The Exile Trilogy
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You need the Orb of Thralni, I think. One of the walkthroughs at the top of this forum (or the Avernum Trilogy forum, too -- the games are much the same) can tell you how to get it.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Slight Problem in Palace of Khoth (Za-Khazi) in Blades of Avernum
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I hope that was only BoE that reset after four towns, not BoA. I know the Avernum Trilogy didn't.

The mirrors should reset every time you enter the town, though. They're in the INIT_STATE.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Mountains. in Blades of Avernum Editor
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I absolutely loathe the way that Exile/Avernum history has been written by the community. I think you can feel free to ignore anything not in the games themselves.

On what's actually in the games themselves, I have my notes from re-playing the games for historical information posted on my web site, and for an update as soon as I get real Internet access (3-5 business days, they tell me), I will be turning that into a readable piece of work. It is, of course, not everything there is to know from the games.

Oh, and yes, if you're *i and make AtG, it becomes canon, apparently.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Mountains. in Blades of Avernum
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I absolutely loathe the way that Exile/Avernum history has been written by the community. I think you can feel free to ignore anything not in the games themselves.

On what's actually in the games themselves, I have my notes from re-playing the games for historical information posted on my web site, and for an update as soon as I get real Internet access (3-5 business days, they tell me), I will be turning that into a readable piece of work. It is, of course, not everything there is to know from the games.

Oh, and yes, if you're *i and make AtG, it becomes canon, apparently.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Backround Sounds -( For Towns) in Blades of Avernum Editor
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My guess is that custom sounds are a really bad idea for the moment. Unless your scen REALLY needs them -- and I would suggest re-writing your scen so that it doesn't rather than using this method -- don't use custom sounds.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Backround Sounds -( For Towns) in Blades of Avernum
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My guess is that custom sounds are a really bad idea for the moment. Unless your scen REALLY needs them -- and I would suggest re-writing your scen so that it doesn't rather than using this method -- don't use custom sounds.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Skarrageth? in The Exile Trilogy
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You can't learn the ritual. You can run all the way back to Micah, but he won't tell you anything.

As I recall, you need the Blessed Athame. I don't remember how to get it, but one of the walkthroughs around here will tell you. (And, as always, my info comes from A1, not E1, but it should be the same.)

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
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Repeat Thuryl's last post, except coming from me this time.

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Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue
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Speculation about "that door"...? in Geneforge Series
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Geneforge's language is fairly close to Avernumscript, so I can understand it, and no, there's nothing in GF2 behind that door. However, there is obviously something behind the door, inasmuch as GF3 has to based on it (or else Jeff will see hell from all of his customers after its release).

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Speculation about "that door"...? in Geneforge 2
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Geneforge's language is fairly close to Avernumscript, so I can understand it, and no, there's nothing in GF2 behind that door. However, there is obviously something behind the door, inasmuch as GF3 has to based on it (or else Jeff will see hell from all of his customers after its release).

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
new scenario? in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Oh, come on. Stop this foolishness. This question has been asked several times, and anyone who is going to give a real answer has already given one.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
new scenario? in Blades of Avernum
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Oh, come on. Stop this foolishness. This question has been asked several times, and anyone who is going to give a real answer has already given one.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00

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