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Hello everyone, a question and a script! in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Hey, I like this. Nice job!

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Hello everyone, a question and a script! in Blades of Avernum
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Hey, I like this. Nice job!

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Avernum/Exile in General
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All I can say is wow.

For the record, I like Avernum better, because I like iso-3D. However, everything bad that Djur says about people like me is completely true.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

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Avernum 4 in General
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quote:
Originally written by I Am A Puppet Account:
Besides it would make it look like a cheap second rerun of the same story.
Not that that would stop Jeff, really. (See the Avernum Trilogy as evidence.)

My guess is that A4 is the vahnatai coming back and fighting the Empire again. Jeff just might do the same thing as every bad BoE scenario and use Rentar-Ihrno as a main character with the same bad effects.

It would be interesting to get the BoA community to rate A4 when it comes out as if it were a BoA scenario. I bet it would get an 8+ rating. Come to think of it, it would be interesting to see such ratings for the other Avernum games, too.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Custom Graphics Help in Blades of Exile
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Er, this page may be of some use. Also possibly the Designer's Forum.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Custom Graphics Help in Blades of Exile
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From the docs:

"The custom graphics are arranged on the custom sheet in rows, 10 to each row. Each row is considered to have 10 'slots.' The first ten slots are in the top row, the next 10 slots are in the next row, and so on. The upper left graphic is considered slot 0. The top row contains slots 0 to 9 (numbered left to right), the second row contains slots 11 to 20, and so on."

Also:

"Terrain (not animated) — Place the 28 x 36 custom terrain graphic in one of the custom sheet's slots. To give a terrain type this graphic, add 1000 to the number of the slot the graphic is in, and put that number in the Terrain Picture field on the editing terrain window."

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Custom Graphics Help in Blades of Exile
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Well, you also need to change a terrain to have your custom graphic. Go to Edit Terrain Types and click on one that you want to replace with your custom terrain. For the field Terrain Picture, enter your custom graphic slot.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Making items in Blades of Avernum
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You need to make a custom objects script. For examples, look at emeraldmountaindata.txt or valleydydata.txt. To figure out what each of the calls do, read the docs.

There is also a utility to help you edit items. You can read about it and get it in this thread. I can't vouch for its quality, though, because I don't think I've ever used it.

EDIT: I just looked at it. It's pretty good. I'd still have the docs open and read them to understand each field, though.

[ Thursday, November 25, 2004 08:40: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Avernum 4 in General
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Weedy brings up an interesting point, though. I am curious about the setting of A4. I wonder if it will take place around the same time as Jeff's BoA scenarios, and if that means that the Second Slith War will be a significant feature.

More likely, I suspect, is that it will be the vahnatai returning to make good on their claim that it wasn't over when Rentar-Ihrno lost the fight at the end of A3. More vahnatai revenge, more fighting for the Empire, and therefore, probably worse stupidity than the overall plot of A3.

But perhaps I am not giving Jeff enough credit. It has been a while since he made a new epic plot for the Exile/Avernum universe.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

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Exile III Need Hint in The Exile Trilogy
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Specifically, "From left to right, set the buttons in the special to 5,4,3,2,0,2."

Don't turn a topic into a poll if it doesn't have to be one. Click on "New Topic," not on "New Poll," if you just have a question about the games.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
A1: Surface Password in The Avernum Trilogy
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Patrick knows the last part. You have to get Erika to tell you to ask him, which you may already have done.

As always, my information on A1 comes from Avernum Annotated Maps.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Scripting Language in Geneforge Series
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It's very similar to BoA's scripting language, which you can find out about by downloading the editor from the Scenario Workshop.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Scripting Language in Geneforge
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It's very similar to BoA's scripting language, which you can find out about by downloading the editor from the Scenario Workshop.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

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Suggestions for Geneforge 3 in General
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Geneforge had potential precisely because of what Mind points out, which is that issues were present in the game that could have been explored. It fails, plot-wise, insofar as it does not explore them.

Okay, fine: power makes one mad. But Geneforge doesn't explore the complexity of the issue. Rather than forcing me into an uncomfortable choice of some kind — Shanti is attacked; use a canister to gain the power to overcome the enemy or she dies — Geneforge presents no difficulties. GF2 is easy to handle without canisters at all. So if I choose not to use them, I have a slight power disadvantage, but no matter; I'm still strong enough to kill the Taker drakons. It's not a difficult decision. It doesn't make me weigh the merits of both sides of the issue.

On another note, I basically play RPGs and strategy games. I loathe FPSes. And I play RPGs largely for the gameplay, which is why I'm a customer here.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Creating New Editors for BoA in Blades of Avernum Editor
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If nothing else, expect to be held accountable for what you say here. Also, unless you have done something substantive for the community (and a promise does not count), expect not to be considered an authority on anything.

Also there's a time delay of about three or four days before any sort of change takes effect. Unless you make a clear rhetorical distinction between a previous stance and your current one — one that doesn't just say, "Get off my back!" and actually says, "Look, I've changed my mind!" — then no one will pay attention.

I'm answering a rhetorical question, I know, but I think it may be instructive. I'm a self-admitted newbie, but I've learned the rules here very consciously.

EDIT: In other news, does a moderator feel like locking this topic? If this were General, Imban would've killed this thing a long time ago. Its very existence is the cause of the tension to which it responds.

[ Tuesday, November 23, 2004 13:24: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Creating New Editors for BoA in Blades of Avernum
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If nothing else, expect to be held accountable for what you say here. Also, unless you have done something substantive for the community (and a promise does not count), expect not to be considered an authority on anything.

Also there's a time delay of about three or four days before any sort of change takes effect. Unless you make a clear rhetorical distinction between a previous stance and your current one — one that doesn't just say, "Get off my back!" and actually says, "Look, I've changed my mind!" — then no one will pay attention.

I'm answering a rhetorical question, I know, but I think it may be instructive. I'm a self-admitted newbie, but I've learned the rules here very consciously.

EDIT: In other news, does a moderator feel like locking this topic? If this were General, Imban would've killed this thing a long time ago. Its very existence is the cause of the tension to which it responds.

[ Tuesday, November 23, 2004 13:24: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Suggestions for Geneforge 3 in General
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And Air 'N Ax = Arenax.

In the direction of Alorael's latest comment, I wonder if perhaps Jeff's problem with plot late in games is that he thinks almost exclusively about gameplay during the course of the development process. I don't think anyone can argue that the gameplay (and here I mean stat-building, inventory management, combat, individual scenes and towns) isn't the most well-developed aspect of JV games, but I wonder if anyone else has noticed that JV games, while they fail utterly to climax in plot — no new surprises, developments, interesting points after the very first few sections, by which I mean that everyone knows that you're going to kill Hawthorne at the end of A1 and it happens in a completely predictable manner — they do succeed pretty well in climaxing in gameplay. The Hawthorne fight was fun — not challenging, but fun — and so were the Garzahd and Rentar-Ihrno fights. I remember rather vividly some of the tactical challenges late in GF2, even though the plot had ceased to progress at that point.

If Jeff spent a little more time thinking about plot in conjunction with his thinking about gameplay, his games could progress from fun to good. I don't know if that would matter as far as profit margins go, but it would be nice to see.

I personally think he may be getting there, but we'll have to judge from GF3 and A4.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

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Avernum 4 in General
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Raise your hand if it took you until now to figure for whom Puppet Account is a puppet account.

*raises hand*

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

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Where are all the Senarios? in Blades of Avernum
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Try it and find out.

There are little interruptions. My scenario is scant hours of work away from alpha, but I haven't been able to do much more than write a few lines of code since the end of August because of school. I honestly don't expect to be done until Winter Break, and possibly not even then.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Tell me if you like programming. . . in General
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quote:
Originally written by heron-wielder:
Are there any good online tutorials for programming using a macintosh? I'm on OS X and i really want to be able to write programs.
Any thoughts on this? I'd like to start teaching myself C or C++, whichever I can manage, over Winter Break, which is coming up in a few weeks. Are there any specific books that anyone recommends (preferably cheap, say $30 or less) or online tutorials that are particularly useful?

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

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HLPM-Wish List in Blades of Avernum
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I like this idea. I'll add it to my list for changes for a new version, which currently is something like this:

Update the LibraryFix the loading-the-Shopping-Area-more-than-once bugAdd greater diversity to the fights in the ArenaAnd now, add a way to customize character traits beyond what is otherwise possibleAny further requests from anyone? I can't guarantee that I can do anything, but I'll certainly try if it seems reasonable.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Crystal Soul or Soul Crystal in The Avernum Trilogy
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You can't use a crystal soul.

Use a soul crystal by casting Capture Soul or Simulacrum. For information about that, post a specific question and to which game you are referring (A2 or A3).

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Dead Guy in The Avernum Trilogy
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Every Avernum game has a place where you can buy revival from the dead (and it appears in the hints to start out the game), but it varies from game to game. Which one are you playing?

EDIT: Generally, a good bet is to go to the Tower of Magi. They can help you there (except possibly in A3, not sure).

[ Monday, November 22, 2004 16:26: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Creating New Editors for BoA in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Arenax, our discussions on AIM and your posts here do not match up. No one — except apparently m's avatar over PM — has suggested a tool that would simplify scripting to the point that it would no longer have the power of writing raw script. You're arguing against people when you don't actually disagree with them.

Also, no one has suggested making such a tool mandatory for making a scenario; if someone makes it and you don't like it, don't use it.

To make a simple analogy: you write code, not assembly language. Code covers up how the computer actually thinks. Would you say that people should learn assembly language and never C? Furthermore, would you say that people should learn machine language and write code in hexadecimal rather than learning C? After all, C hardly resembles machine language, but the computer works in the machine language and C just covers it up.

You are starting to sound elitist. "People should SUFFER in order to write scenarios! If they don't understand the Appendices, they are WEAK OF SPIRIT and DON'T DESERVE TO BE DESIGNERS! If I can do it, then SO CAN THEY!"

Arenax, stop arguing against people with whom you don't actually disagree.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Creating New Editors for BoA in Blades of Avernum
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Arenax, our discussions on AIM and your posts here do not match up. No one — except apparently m's avatar over PM — has suggested a tool that would simplify scripting to the point that it would no longer have the power of writing raw script. You're arguing against people when you don't actually disagree with them.

Also, no one has suggested making such a tool mandatory for making a scenario; if someone makes it and you don't like it, don't use it.

To make a simple analogy: you write code, not assembly language. Code covers up how the computer actually thinks. Would you say that people should learn assembly language and never C? Furthermore, would you say that people should learn machine language and write code in hexadecimal rather than learning C? After all, C hardly resembles machine language, but the computer works in the machine language and C just covers it up.

You are starting to sound elitist. "People should SUFFER in order to write scenarios! If they don't understand the Appendices, they are WEAK OF SPIRIT and DON'T DESERVE TO BE DESIGNERS! If I can do it, then SO CAN THEY!"

Arenax, stop arguing against people with whom you don't actually disagree.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00

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