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The second weekly international spiderweb contest will now begin in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #1
Ocean Bound is the lowest in quality, I'd say. Galactic Core is the most blandly boring. Homeland is the most excruviatingly painful.

Out of the games actually made by Jeff, I'd put E1 at the bottom. I know that the Spiderweb mantra is that advanced doodads aren't everything, but E1 really feels painfully primitive.

—Alorael, whose E1 memories are of version 1.0.0. While there is a charm to the game, even E2 feels much more polished.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #252
quote:
Originally written by The Creator:

Spoiling a child will not make it happy, which is what you are saying God should do for us. We can only become perfectly happy when we become perfect.
Spoiling a child makes it happy. The eventual consequences make it unhappy. God is both capable of "spoiling" us indefinitely so that we never suffer for it and able to spoil us far more carefully than any human parent.

quote:
Suffering is the denial of a want, whether it is 'I want that toy' or 'I want you to stop hurting me'. How can a being that doesn't have any free will want anything?
Free will isn't consciousness, as Thuryl pointed out. And for that matter, God could give us enough free will to choose our own kind of happiness while still preventing unhappiness. If God is omnipotent and omniscient, that shouldn't be an impossible task at all.

—Alorael, who believes God did create humans perfectly happy and almost perfect. The problems started with a faux pas in Eden. That seems a little bit like a setup by God too, though.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #245
The Lord works in ineffable ways. Don't even try to eff his plan. It's effing impossible.

In other words, the whole reason this discussion can exist is because God doesn't make sense. Any explanation is only going to be a pretty cover to render the inexplicable slightly more explicated. In the end, those who don't understand why death and suffering are so widespread still aren't going to know, but there will be all kinds of interesting justification.

—Alorael, who is guilty of spam. It was irresistable!
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
RWG in Richard White Games
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #37
Yes, they're cones. The rods were a thinko.

Since color is only perceived by the types of cones an animal has, that can mean either finer distinction or more range. Humans with red, green, and bluish cones can detect those colors and "guess" at the other colors from how much those types are firing. Varying proportions produce orange, yellow, turquoise, that slightly darker green, and so on.

A species could have those same cones and another set of cones outside the spectrum of light visible to humans. Its ability to distinguish colors we can see probably wouldn't be very different, although all colors would be tinged by some extra value, but it would be able to see a color we can't and several intermediate colors as well.

A hypothetical species with seventeen different types of cones, all detecting wavelengths in the green portion of the spectrum, would not be able to see color like us at all, but it would be very good at telling greens apart since they would seem like entirely different "primary" colors rather than shades of one primary color.

—Alorael, who recalls another fun eyeball fact. Because cones are clustered at the center of the eye and rods are denser at the edges, "front and center" vision is terrible at night. Try staring at something in the dark sometime and notice how it seems to disappear. This may or may not explain why reading in the dark is so hard.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
The International Contest of Spider Games shall now commence! in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #21
If the outdated engines of BoE and BoA bother you, Spiderweb is not for you anyway and none of the games are likely to be favorites of any kind.

If you can stand the technical and graphics gap (although turn-based games haven't advanced much recently so the technical aspect really isn't so defunct), you can enjoy scenarios that do remarkably impressive things for casual developers who aren't touching anything resembling code (for BoE, at least).

And you certainly get more quality gaming hours from BoE than from any other RPG I can think of (MMORPGs excluded, but they're not beginning- and end-driven).

—Alorael, who should perhaps cut down on the parentheses. As tempting as they are (and they are very, very tempting!), they seem to serve too often as a distraction rather than an explanation. (The distraction to explanation of each post as a whole could be called into question, but that can be ignored for now.)
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #243
The Jews certainly have had a rough tenure as the chosen people of God!

Creator, thank you for that passage. I now know that at least one passage predicates salvation upon good deeds. This also means that Biblical literalism seems to require a great deal of doublethink. Take note, all ye in school: editing is a must!

Although God has the power to save everyone from starvation, millions go hungry. Although God has the power to stop wars, senseless wars continue unabated. Although God has the power to stop the dictators, he does not. He can exercise absolute power, yet he does not, and countless deaths result from his negligence. That seems more like Mao Zedong and the Great Leap Forward than anyone else, actually.

—Alorael, who actually prefers to believe that God gave mankind the world as a kind of sandbox. Yes, it's that parental metaphor again. Humans may screw up pretty badly, but it's not God's job or his place to fix it all. This, of course, hinges on his not performing any miracles at all, which is the crux of the whole debate.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Nooooo! in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #15
I now have two reasons to administer the sweet kiss of death. Therefore, from sheer perversity, I shall refuse to do so!

—Alorael, who will, however, thank you kindly for refraining from resurrecting spam in order to call it spam. Everyone is well aware without the label, actually.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #238
Mind has argued that God is not perfect (and is, in fact, tyrannical) in a manner reminiscent of famous human tyrants. Gizmo, you disputed this by saying that God's particular tyranny is not tyrannical because God is perfect. That logic is circular. God can't be perfect because he is perfect. If he behaves objectively like an evil dictator, then isn't he an evil dictator?

No, that's not what I believe, but I still see no way around it other than to deny God's omnipotence, deny God's omniscience, deny God's omni-goodness, or to claim that humans can never understand God. The last of these options is obviously the favorite among the religious, but it's also a cop-out. Saying that all evidence we can ever have is meaningless negates all possible arguments.

—Alorael, who can only see fatalism as the logical conclusion of the God makes no sense theory. If you can't understand God at all, what grounds do you have to believe him? Even if the Bible does contain the word of God, why isn't he lying to you? It may be for your own inexplicable good!
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
RWG in Richard White Games
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #31
"Primary" color, as far as vision goes, is just the types of rods in your eyes. We can see red, green, and blue-purple. All other colors are seen by processing the varying signals from those detectors. Birds are able to detect another part of the spectrum (ultraviolet, I believe), so they have four primary colors.

You could call it C-Y-M-UV if you wanted.

—Alorael, who doesn't feel any need to respect pidgeons for superior eyesight. Until they start making UV art, they're still airborne rats.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
The International Contest of Spider Games shall now commence! in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #13
BoA wins on potential, BoE wins on actual product. They're also in a category of their own. Comparing one game, no matter how good, with hundreds of games or even potentially hundreds of games is unfair.

Otherwise, I like A2, Nethergate, A1, A3, E3, E2, and E1. While Geneforge demos are intriguing, I can't get past the engine, which does not agree with me.

—Alorael, who would like to append a few more important things. Lost Souls trails the other games by a lot, but it's worth playing. Ocean Bound trails by even more and probably isn't worth playing. Galactic Core falls in somewhere near OB. Homeland is not a game at all. It's a cruel and unusual experience.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Goal or Rushed Behind? in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #33
Actually, he's more of an old member who bifurcated. His title split with him.

—Alorael, believes it would be more fair to give one half the BoE and the other half the posse. They can work it out between them.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Errand in The Exile Trilogy
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #3
That's the point. You think you are delivering imporant information until you've sent the last moves and the hermit has a tantrum.

—Alorael, who does not approve of signature theft. Unhand the signature and nobody will get sniped.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Errand in The Exile Trilogy
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #1
Yes, they're playing chess, and it's just a few delivery quests for minor rewards.

—Alorael, who thinks it's more slightly odd Jeff Vogel humor. At least it's nod bad kung fu.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Message board basics in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #16
You can try to leave Spidweb, but Spidweb never leaves you.

—Alorael, who welcomes Grendel back to the madhouse.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Moderator Board - What are they up to? in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #12
Do mod board posts show up on recent topics still? I thought that was fixed.

—Alorael, who doesn't want anyone to know the secrets of the moderators. If revealed, they could have dire consequences on Spiderweb, nay, upon the entire world! Maybe.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
RWG in Richard White Games
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #25
That is the closest thing to cute that RWG deserves.

That is all.

—Alorael, who would like to know what makes pidgeons so much more palatable than rats. They're really not that different from the much-maligned rodents except for their comparatively enhanced aerial capabilities.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Av3: Under Troglo Castle? in The Avernum Trilogy
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #2
You don't need the runes to line up perfectly. You just need to be able to step from rune to rune so that you can either reach and break through the cracked wall (you need Move Mountains) or get through the secret door that is allegedly somewhere on the back wall.

—Alorael, who actually had no runes perfectly aligned. Diagonals are definitely your friends.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
A3 advice in The Avernum Trilogy
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #2
Make sure you read Bojar's notes in his lab. If you haven't found his directions to the real source of the slimes you won't be able to get in.

—Alorael, who can't remember how easy it is to miss the notes. If there's no entrance in the mountains, go back to the tower and search again.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Moderator Board - What are they up to? in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #9
TM's Krazy Kwilting Korner lives on!

—Alorael, who will say nothing of hidden smoky compartments in smoky rooms where the conspiracies behind conspiracies are planned.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Favorite Author in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #53
If you demand that art act as socio-economic allegory, then you're definitely going to be disappointed by and large by anything more than a few centuries old. That doesn't make the art bad, though. It means you're looking for something very specific. I wouldn't tell someone in search of a comic play to read Fitzgerald for much the same reasons as you seem to think Shakespeare is awful.

Also, whether or not you like Shakespeare's plays, and I'm ambivalent on the pop entertainment of a few centuries ago, you have to respect someone who is the single greatest source of the English language ever.

—Alorael, who does not think that all art must serve an agenda. Being 'pretty' is something as well. And art can be both pleasing and enlightening simultaneously, too. Far too much modern art seems to be neither, though. No, that's not all free verse poetry and all abstract art, but many poets convey unintelligible messages or paint ugly and incomprehensible pictures. What is the artistic value in that? The nice thing about centuries old art is that the worst of it has already been filtered.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
I'm at the last battle in The Avernum Trilogy
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #3
Note that there are four ways into the lower level of the keep and that you have to be careful with the order in which you activate beams. It's possible to block the path to further levers.

—Alorael, who is positive that Erika shows up when you have everything arranged right if she already provided some help. The amulets are an all or nothing deal.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
A2: Finding Locke in The Avernum Trilogy
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #2
I think the book is in Fort Draco, actually. That's definitely where the mines are.

—Alorael, who is always hesitant about disagreeing with Seletine. One does not contradict the master lightly!
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
is there a way to make it possable to Edit your other accounts posts in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #5
Or stick with only one account.

—Alorael, who does not understand this need for multiple accounts. If you want a new one, fine, but what can you possibly do with several concurrent active accounts besides make trouble and hide behind anonymity?
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Goal or Rushed Behind? in General
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #11
I've seen one person harm himself while watching a game alone. He got a little too enthusiastic.

—Alorael, who has also heard that the more agitated fans have been known to break televisions. Spectating can be very hazardous to you budget.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
I want to play but the there is no time in The Avernum Trilogy
Law Bringer
Member # 335
Profile Homepage #5
It is possible to rush through the game as a challenge, but if you want to see everything in the game, you'll spend significantly longer. Yes, that means playing through the entire game is easier than rushing through only the essential parts, but that's exactly what the sidequests are there for.

—Alorael, who would like to add (maybe unnecessarily) that A3 gets no easier as game time passes. If anything, it gets a little bit harder. The only major difference is that you can't complete a few quests, though. And there's a fun event if you delay long enough.
Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00

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