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Alright, this topic is a Spider Web Game Contest! Each person who posts will name the game that they think is the highest quality overall. Note- This is not your favorite game, but the game you think has the highest quality and provides the best experience for the most people.

Best Game- Geneforge 2

Why: Geneforge 1 is my personal favorite, with Geneforge being my favorite series. However, G1 wasn't polished, it had only 3 spells for each class of spells, with the sects being there to be milked, without really affecting gameplay otherwise. G2 adds more features and streamlines them, and making powergaming the sects much more troublesome, with the sects offering you more and affecting gameplay more. As such, In my personal experience, I have found G2 to be the best.

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Considering I haven't played Geneforge 2/3, or Avernum 1, or the Exile games except for the demos, my vie on this is limited. I'd say Geneforge, although my own pesonal facourite is avernum 2, for all its flaws.

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Blades of Exile.

No contest, even though the GF series has an odd habit of attracting a wide swath the internet's special education population. +300 scenarios, many of which are large, above the quality of anything done by JV, and also very fun. Extreme technical devotion, nitpicking amongst community members and innovative gameplay make BoE the best buy ever.

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I'd like to contest that Blades of Avernum's only drawback compared to BoE is its present lack of scenarios, and even considering that it is already nearly as good.

The point stands, however. Blades of Avernum, then Blades of Exile, then, with a long distance the other games.

If I'm meant to rank them all: Avernum 3, Avernum 1, Avernum 2, Exile 3, Exile 2, Exile 1, Nethergate, Geneforge, Geneforge 2. I prefer GF because the plot, at least, is new at that point.

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Yeah, from what I've heard about BoA, it's probably the best quality game so far, so I'll vote for it. However, I am a big fan of BoE.

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Blades of Avernum has ~10 scenarios. Blades of Exile has over 300 scenarios, and over five times as many quality scenarios than exist for BoA period.

(And don't even TRY to argue that BoA reviewers are harsher than BoE ones.)

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quote:
Originally written by :Slash::

Considering I haven't played Geneforge 2/3, or Avernum 1, or the Exile games except for the demos, my vie on this is limited.
Same. However, Exile 3 is pretty good quality.

Shouldn't you of put a poll in and got people to say why in their post?

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BoA, BoE, Avernum 2, Nethergate, Exile 2, Geneforge 1, Avernum 1, Exile 1, Exile 3, Avernum 3, Geneforge 2.

Reasoning:

Blades of Avernum is better than Blades of Exile for my purposes because of the fact that I own BoA and not BoE. Both blades games beat all Jeff's other games because they allow players to actually well... make their own scenarios. Yeah. After that, the games are rated first on plot, close second on gameplay, and far third on graphics.

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Polls are terrible.

Anyone who says anything here other than BoE doesn't have BoE, or is an idiot.

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BoE, BoA, Exile 3, Exile 2, Avernum 3, Avernum 2, Avernum, Exile, Geneforge, in order from best to worst.

No opinion on Nethergate or Geneforge 2, having not played them.
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Blades of Exile

It has more scenarios, and until BOA does, it's BoE.

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BoA. I don't own BoE, though.

I do, however, think that Jeff made a better system with BoA, especially the open-source editor. It's got a higher learning curve, but I think that's why all the scenarios released have been at least decent. Now if only he would fix the bugs in the app itself...

So, the community's done a lot with BoE, but Jeff himself did a better job with BoA, and the community's gonna do that same stuff with BoA, ...right?
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BoA is ok, but then again, after playing it, I found it really hard to play BoE, even though I have been playing it for longer. I guess in that case BoE wins, because... it's just better experience for people who may be new to these games. And it has a poo-load more scenarios. :D

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BoA wins on potential, BoE wins on actual product. They're also in a category of their own. Comparing one game, no matter how good, with hundreds of games or even potentially hundreds of games is unfair.

Otherwise, I like A2, Nethergate, A1, A3, E3, E2, and E1. While Geneforge demos are intriguing, I can't get past the engine, which does not agree with me.

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Blades of Avernum.
this is because you don't have to go into fight mode to kill things in tunnels etc & the graphics
are better

my personal fav has to be boe at the moment just for the range of scenarios :P

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E3 is my personal favorite, however, BoE is by far the best game.

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I think I agree that Geneforge 2 is the most "polished" of the Spiderweb games. Geneforge 3 is probably a close second, and arguably first.

As you can see from other posts, the Blades of XYZ have a fanatical following among some of the board members, and as someone who owns both, I can tell you that I think they fail the "newbie" test. In the sense that they're very hard games to get into. For BoE, the graphics and engine are nearly two decades out of date, which seriously limits the casual gamers ability to enjoy them. And BoA is only about a decade out-of-date engine, but lacks the fanatical fanbase of BoE.

I would also like to take issue with the common assertion among the Bladesistas that BoE scenarios are someone the best game designs ever. I'm sure they have their charm, but come on. At best, they've milked a below average game development tool for everything its worth. Unfortunately, even questioning this dogma usually results in charges of heresy and questioning of mental health and/or sexual orientation.

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quote:
Originally written by Zorro:

I would also like to take issue with the common assertion among the Bladesistas that BoE scenarios are someone the best game designs ever. I'm sure they have their charm, but come on. At best, they've milked a below average game development tool for everything its worth. Unfortunately, even questioning this dogma usually results in charges of heresy and questioning of mental health and/or sexual orientation.
I'd actually call BoE an above-average game development tool, although that has more to do with the generally parlous state of game development tools (especially for Mac) than the objective quality of BoE. You're right, of course, that there have been plenty of BoE scenarios made that aren't that great, and that from a technical perspective BoE designers' innovations are mostly not that impressive compared to what modern commercial games can do (those that are lauded are often viewed from a whistling-dog perspective; sure, the dog can't usually whistle very well, but it's pretty damn impressive that it can whistle at all).

So I guess a lot of your view of BoE, especially from a technical perspective, is going to be shaped by how impressed (or unimpressed) you are by the fact that the community's become very good at teaching dogs to whistle.

Having said that, plotwise some BoE scenarios beat most commercial games. We're fortunate enough to have a number of very talented writers in the community.

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quote:
Originally written by Ash Lael:

Anyone who says anything here other than BoE doesn't have BoE, or is an idiot.
Can't it be both?
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quote:
Originally written by andrew miller:


Can't it be both?
Yes, it probably could. There are hepas of idiots.
And a couple on this board, but I won't name names.

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Or, yes, both.

There are BoE scenarios that beat most commercial games in far more than just plot, I think. Some of those dogs whistle really well. :P

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If the outdated engines of BoE and BoA bother you, Spiderweb is not for you anyway and none of the games are likely to be favorites of any kind.

If you can stand the technical and graphics gap (although turn-based games haven't advanced much recently so the technical aspect really isn't so defunct), you can enjoy scenarios that do remarkably impressive things for casual developers who aren't touching anything resembling code (for BoE, at least).

And you certainly get more quality gaming hours from BoE than from any other RPG I can think of (MMORPGs excluded, but they're not beginning- and end-driven).

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BOE yeah its great 300 scenarios sure. But its so ugly now compared to BOA. The scenarios are certainly great. I just can't handle the crude aesthetics anymore.

Oh and my favourite game E3/A3 yeaa!

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I think BoE looks way better than BoA.

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quote:
Originally written by Ash Lael:

Polls are terrible.

Anyone who says anything here other than BoE doesn't have BoE, or is an idiot.

I say BoA is best, i have BoE, and I am not an idiot, or at least I prefer to think I am not. I despise flaming like that more than anything else... honestly, don't try to force your personal views on others. It'll only make them loathe you, right...? Unless, of course, they think the same.

The lack of scenarios is an unavoidable problem, but will get better over time...
And I prefer the BoA gameplay system. When playing BoE I was rather annoyed by the sheer uselessness of melee combat against foes, excluding, of course, those who had magic immunity. At level... what was it, 26? My best melee fighter's most potent hit against a SLEEPING enemy was... 36. Mages were overpowered, and I'm not going to argue over that.
The scenario editor is also much more flexible... more complicated to use though.

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