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written Thursday, April 14 2005 12:31
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1) Two spelling mistakes- mediocrity and desist. 2) Mozart did Figaro? More shame on Whackoff Wille, then. 3) If I'm "guilty" of bemoaning capitalism, it's a better crime than being an irredemable jerkoff whose sole purpose is to glorify anything mummified. 4) Part 2. With Falstaff leading the army and all. 5) No, you insufferable rantallion, metaphor is use of relation between concrete item and abstract idea. (For instance, the two eggs represent the meritocratic and classist rich.) Allegory is the Aristotlian rubbish, wherein the symbolism is not divorced from any member of the audience due to its opacity. Its other definition is emblem, a signifier of unquestionable (and pray that Derrida doesn't enter this discussion) meaning. -------------------- 人 た ち を 燃 え る た め に 俺 は か れ ら に 火 を 上 げ る か ら 死 ん だ Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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written Thursday, April 14 2005 12:55
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quote:Much more than that, but let's not go there. quote:The fact that you apparently don't know the difference between a Shakespeare play and an opera does not lend credence to anything you say about Renaissance art forms. quote:No, it's really not. Metaphor relates two items by stating that they are the same when they literally are not identical, but share some essential features in common (often explaining one situation in terms of another). Allegory is the representation of abstract ideas by characters in a story. Shakespeare used a lot of metaphors, but I can't think of an instance when he wrote a real allegory. Morality plays had gone out of style a few decades earlier (thank god), and they were the main allegorical works on the Renaissance stage. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Thursday, April 14 2005 13:21
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quote:*chokes* -------------------- Sex is easier than love. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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written Thursday, April 14 2005 14:08
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If you demand that art act as socio-economic allegory, then you're definitely going to be disappointed by and large by anything more than a few centuries old. That doesn't make the art bad, though. It means you're looking for something very specific. I wouldn't tell someone in search of a comic play to read Fitzgerald for much the same reasons as you seem to think Shakespeare is awful. Also, whether or not you like Shakespeare's plays, and I'm ambivalent on the pop entertainment of a few centuries ago, you have to respect someone who is the single greatest source of the English language ever. —Alorael, who does not think that all art must serve an agenda. Being 'pretty' is something as well. And art can be both pleasing and enlightening simultaneously, too. Far too much modern art seems to be neither, though. No, that's not all free verse poetry and all abstract art, but many poets convey unintelligible messages or paint ugly and incomprehensible pictures. What is the artistic value in that? The nice thing about centuries old art is that the worst of it has already been filtered. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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written Thursday, April 14 2005 14:50
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Now, over to the vote count... Sorry. Could'nt stop myself. I have not read Shakespere, and I do not really intend to. Its not that I have anything against him, but I, for the most part, cannot comprehend all the 'thee's, 'thou's and most other talk like that. Oh well, I try my best. [ Thursday, April 14, 2005 14:51: Message edited by: Sprung Spring ] -------------------- I'll put a Spring in your step. Polaris Posts: 2396 | Registered: Saturday, January 29 2005 08:00 |
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written Thursday, April 14 2005 16:06
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quote:You mention Marx and forget Engels? Shame on you. Also, how exactly does a philosophist "beat" another? At the topic: No Tom clancy? No Anonymous (for writing the 1001 nights, kudos) ? At all of you killing each other over authors (and even mention a few) you all forgot the best of them all, Jules Verne. -------------------- spiderweb soft make an mmorpg! Posts: 126 | Registered: Wednesday, February 26 2003 08:00 |
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written Thursday, April 14 2005 16:08
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I never really liked Shakespeare. I mean, he's certainly talented, and I suppose constructs a play technically well. But his chaaracters always seem to lack depth, the plays themselves repetative, and the stories always pretty straightforward. His plays are always watchable but not terribly interesting. Granted, it differs from play to play. I rather liked King Lear, but found All's Well That Ends Well to be pretty poor, probably the worst among those I'm familiar with. Romeo and Juliet isn't bad but is a weak love story. I've never liked any of the poetry of his that I have read. Posts: 23 | Registered: Friday, November 14 2003 08:00 |
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written Thursday, April 14 2005 16:14
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This issue is too superfluous to be flinging insults about. Apologies. -------------------- 人 た ち を 燃 え る た め に 俺 は か れ ら に 火 を 上 げ る か ら 死 ん だ Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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written Thursday, April 14 2005 20:23
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I'd feel offended at that last remark, but I agree. -------------------- I'll put a Spring in your step. Polaris Posts: 2396 | Registered: Saturday, January 29 2005 08:00 |
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written Friday, April 15 2005 00:24
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quote:Not that Mozart was working during the Renaissance, if that's indeed what you were implying. Uh, in fact, about 100 years after it ended. Mozart was a Classical composer. Sorry for the irrelevance but I'm a musician and couldn't help myself. -------------------- Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." - Soviet infantry manual, 1930's Posts: 267 | Registered: Wednesday, November 27 2002 08:00 |
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written Friday, April 15 2005 00:58
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Call me a Philistine, but I pretty much only enjoy poetry that rhymes or has good meter. Sure, I respect that a lot of feelings and other stuff went into more free-verse poetry, but that doesn't make a good poem. Art may exist as a form of expression for the artist, but that doesn't mean I have to appreciate it. Bravo for him for getting what he feels out there. If it's unrhythmic and boring, I'm definitely not going to read it. Give me Biggie Smalls or Dr. Seuss any day. And TM, I'm glad you decided to cut out the insults, but could you also cut out the obscenities? "Cockwiggler," "jerkoff," and "as open as your mother's legs," have no place in this forum or in a civilized debate. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy desperance.net - We're Everywhere ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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written Friday, April 15 2005 01:17
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I find that looking at a representative sample of Picasso's works throughout his career in chronological order in one sitting is very instructive. Most less ordered art makes more sense when you see where it came from. As for poetry, I'm not really qualified to comment, because I can't write it and don't like to read it. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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written Friday, April 15 2005 02:12
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My favorite author must be J. K. Rowling(Harry Potter, as you should know) or David Eddings, a well-known fantasy author. -------------------- How many shapers are there? Why is Drypeak controlled by Zakary? Why is Barzahl a Guardian? How does the Geneforge work? What's as small as nothing? Why am I asking stupid questions? -------------------------------- Shaper teacher : "DON'T TOUCH THAT!" BOOM!! apprentice :*little voice* "Sorry..." --------------------------- Visit CSM !!! And this site is just great! Wow! Did you know what the answer to the gretest question ever is ? Posts: 576 | Registered: Wednesday, March 2 2005 08:00 |
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written Friday, April 15 2005 17:34
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quote:They are both good. July 16th is what I'm waiting for! EDIT: You may of read the last 7 words of this post and thought: WTF? July 16th is when the next Harry Potter book, Harry Potter & The Half Bloodd Prince , is coming out. [ Friday, April 15, 2005 22:42: Message edited by: Sprung Spring ] -------------------- I'll put a Spring in your step. Polaris Posts: 2396 | Registered: Saturday, January 29 2005 08:00 |
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written Saturday, April 16 2005 07:48
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Most of these works are fictional. Who has a favorite nonfiction author? I am reading Jared Diamond's Collapse How Societies Choose To Fail or Succeed right now. I will follow it up with Guns, Germs, and Steel by Diamond next. So far, it is very interesting to read. Not the absolute best, but very entertaining. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Saturday, April 16 2005 10:48
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I read very little nowadays, and haven't read any nonfiction that wasn't a textbook in years, but my favorite work of nonfiction would have to be Killer Angels. Thus, my favorite nonfiction author would be Michael Shaara. -------------------- Stughalf "Delusion arises from anger. The mind is bewildered by delusion. Reasoning is destroyed when the mind is bewildered. One falls down when reasoning is destroyed."- The Bhagavad Gita. Posts: 1798 | Registered: Sunday, October 5 2003 07:00 |
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written Saturday, April 16 2005 10:59
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I'll go in chronological order of authors I've enjoyed enough to remember their names without going back to look. C.S. Lewis with the Chronicles of Narnia - My first real enthusiasticly read series. Stephen King - don't ask me why cause I really don't know. I started collecting his books when I was around 14 and I've only been brave enough to read four of them. The rest have just sat on a shelf collecting dust in the meantime. Piers Anthony with the Xanth series - he's still turning out books for this one and I'm still reading them. I have an almost complete set. J. R. R. Tolkein - (which I've always pronounced TOLL-kin) I read The Hobbit before Narnia and enjoyed it enough to buy the LotR series (like seven years ago) but I didn't start reading them until after the movies came out and I did not watch the movies until all were available on video. Brian Jacques for the Redwall series - It was just by chance that I started to read one of his books, but I enjoyed it enough to start in on the whole series. I also really enjoy the 'Left Behind' series which I've read most of but with two authors my mind just can't remember their names off hand. Other classic authors come to mind; Charles Dickens, Anthony Trollope, Herman Melville, Henry David Thoreau ,Shakespeare... but reading their works always takes such concentration on my part that some of the joy of reading is drained by it. I'm just asking for it ain't I? -------------------- Forever Always on Past the End tracihedlund@charter.net[/url] TrueSite for Blades - Blades Walkthroughs Pixle Profusion - BoE Graphics Archive Posts: 563 | Registered: Tuesday, July 27 2004 07:00 |
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written Saturday, April 16 2005 14:24
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quote:Thats a good way of doing it. If they are not worth it, don't find out their names. -------------------- I'll put a Spring in your step. Polaris Posts: 2396 | Registered: Saturday, January 29 2005 08:00 |
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written Sunday, April 17 2005 04:49
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quote:It was a very good book, but I don't know that I'd call it my favorite nonfiction book. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy desperance.net - We're Everywhere ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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written Sunday, April 17 2005 07:49
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I've always been a bit of a Civil War buff, so that undoubtedly played a part in my adoration for that book. It's quite possibly the most emotionally affecting book I've ever read, as it succeeds like none other in portraying the raw, real humanity in the thoughts and relationships among people engaged in brutal warfare. -------------------- Stughalf "Delusion arises from anger. The mind is bewildered by delusion. Reasoning is destroyed when the mind is bewildered. One falls down when reasoning is destroyed."- The Bhagavad Gita. Posts: 1798 | Registered: Sunday, October 5 2003 07:00 |
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written Sunday, April 17 2005 08:10
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I recently finished the Everworld series by K. A. Applegate, which was good, but by no means was is the best series ever. It's still my favorite series I've read so far. Right now I'm reading Watership Down by Richard Adams. It's about fluffy bunny rabbits and it's awesome. As for nonfiction, I'd say my least favorite of what I've read would have to be This Boy's Life by Tobias Wolff. He had a hard life, okay. But lots of people have much harder lives and don't write books about it. Nothing good can come of reading that book. It's boring and dull and it doesn't offer any inspiration or hope or anything, just dull depressing crap. Don't read it. I don't have a favorite nonfiction book. -------------------- The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) Famous Last Words - A local pop-punk band They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |