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1. Homosexuals are not treated unequally (in relation to who they can marry).

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2. They want something different from equality.

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Married couples enjoy scores of legal and financial advantages unavailable to gay and lesbian parents, including preferential tax rates, inheritance rights, and the legal recognition of the family without costly court procedures, said Rebecca Rolfe, director of the LGBT Community Center.

Jadallah, 43, and Karraa, 45, felt those inequities directly after Jadallah gave birth to their twin boys. At the time, they lived in Santa Barbara, where she was a graduate student at UC Santa Barbara. They petitioned for Karraa to adopt the twins but were rejected by a judge because they were same-sex partners. (Five years later, after the passage of Assembly Bill 25, they succeeded in cross-adopting all three children.) As a result, Karraa couldn't put the children on her health insurance at work, so Jadallah paid extra to add the boys to her student insurance and sought MediCal for well-baby care. The couple also were turned down for university-owned married student housing, so they paid more to rent an apartment in town.

"The financial impact is still with us today, through larger student loans," Jadallah said. The family lives on Karraa's earnings as a public health nurse; Jadallah is a stay-at-home mom.

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3. Homosexual relationships are not illegal. Jim Crow laws actually made certain actions illegal.

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4. There is an objective difference between homosexual unions and heterosexual unions. This is not an arbitrary distinction as in the case of Jim Crow discrimination.

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It angers me that liberals claim to have the poor mans best interest in yet they are more concerned with idiot nitpicking laws then the real issues.

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...and only they make use of the genitalia implied by their form. This makes them naturally different.

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According to the ISNA definition above, 1 percent of live births exhibit some degree of sexual ambiguity,[19] and that between 0.1% and 0.2% of live births are ambiguous enough to become the subject of specialist medical attention, including surgery to disguise their sexual ambiguity.

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All opposite-sex marriage is male-female. That is the pairing that is perceived to be ideal.

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By you. Given the statistics you cited, same-sex marriage might be even better. We have no idea.

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[F]or several years now the Commonwealth [of Massachusetts] has had the lowest divorce rate of any state in the union. [...] [I]n the first two years of legal same sex marriage in the Bay State, Massachusetts showed a more rapid decline and will very likely hold on to its title as the US state with the lowest divorce rate in the nation.

[T]he group of US states...which have passed both state laws and also state constitutional amendments prohibiting same sex marriage, lag dramatically in terms of divorce rate improvement when compared to same sex marriage friendly states. [...] This group contains 4 of the 5 states with the highest divorce rate increases in the US during 2004 and the first 11 months of 2005.

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Dikiyoba, I don’t know if you are following, but we’ve established that there are two types of discrimination. One is based on merit, the other is based on prejudicial grouping. White only fountains would be the latter; traditional marriage the former. What you did is equivocation. Some of the others just did it for the zillionth time, too.

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What law is not moral? Give me an example. Maybe it’s just my worldview affecting my outlook, but laws are based on protecting society and individual citizens and that’s all moral to me. We want to live in a fair and just society because justice is good. Yes, it benefits us, but that’s exactly why it’s moral.

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Diki: I still don't think you saw what I had to say critique-wise. But thank you very much for getting the next chapter out much quicker.

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*Thats* your silver lining?! :P

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It’s application is dependant on race. It therefore discriminates. Limiting marriage to opposite sexes does not discriminate in the same way. And you still may not get the partner you want, but you are free to marry whoever will have you.

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Well for one thing, the least amount of innocents (or at least people not in the war) are killed.

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Because...let me think:In best case you get locked up for half of your life and other half you are exiled, in worst case you get executed.

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My point is that saying same sex marriage is not allowed is not the same as having white-only water fountains. The former is not discriminatory as it applies to everyone.

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