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It angers me that liberals claim to have the poor mans best interest in yet they are more concerned with idiot nitpicking laws then the real issues.

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Then what, in your opinion, are the real issues liberals should be worrying about?

Dikiyoba.

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Clinton's opinion happens to be what ever is popular, because she doesn't side with your opinion means your unpopular. Also your statement doesn't explain how welfare (something supported by liberals) helps couch potatoes yet doesn't help the working poor in some cases discouraging people from getting a job.

but to humor you what exactly is the "left"?

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Again, it's because the right (which is to say, every administration since Reagan) has been systematically dismantling the welfare system. You want to see the left in action? Move to Norway, the country with the highest standard of living on Earth.

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Considering I will never get the chance to visit Norway could elaborate? Also if the conservatives did dismantle welfare like you said, then how come nonworking poor get benefits and while the working poor get nill

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There's no such thing as the non-working poor in the US. No such thing. There's only the working poor who work legally and receive welfare, and the working poor who receive welfare and do work off-the-books to supplement their income. In most of the US, it is impossible to survive on welfare alone. Nearly all welfare recipients are forced to work illegally in order to survive, and the government knows this.

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edit: now now no need for insults. You don't insult ignorant people you enlighten them.

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I find it ironic that you think the poor should have to work for their money, but you don't want to have to work to find your own information. I guess your principles are good enough for others to live by, but not for you.

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Now I'm not going to research ideology that I don't agree with in hopes of convince myself of it. Listen too and see if it has merit yes, do an exhaustive study on it no.

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And that's what's wrong with the world. If you don't spend at least as much time researching viewpoints that disagree with your own as those that agree with it, you're being intellectually dishonest.

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Originally written by Thuryl:

If you must know, the reason I'm not bothering to seriously engage with you is that your statements so far give me reason to believe that you're a pathological liar.[/QB]

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I'm concerned that if I try to tell you, you'll deliberately misinterpret me again. You need to convince me that you won't do that, and so far you're doing just the opposite.[/QB]

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