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THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #37
What happens to the animal happens to you. Tortured animals pass on adrenalin to you. Say a cow is given Growth Hormone; it doesn't disappear when the cow dies. It will affect your endocrine system as well.

Giving an animal so much antibiotics will also be passed on to you, so when you take antibiotics they are less effective.

Girls are maturing at 12 years old. The cows are given estrogen so they will produce milk, and gain more meat. This is passed on to human females who would not yet be producing such hormones. This causes very early maturation.

I don't know about Australia, I'm sure most of those links were American.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #34
See above.

Just a side note, how did I get into this with you :P

Edit: Pictures of some farm animals in their happy home. The sites go on and on. None of this is new, it's just commonly excepted.

Edit 2: one more, egg hens.

[ Monday, April 25, 2005 18:38: Message edited by: Dolphin ]

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #32
Maybe The Humane Society
would be a more trustworthy resource for you?

Edit: For some reason I can't type today.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #30
quote:
Good health = more and better meat/milk/whatever.
Antibiotics = dirtier conditions and less nutrition being expectable. Steroids = faster growth = more meat = more money. Why would they need to give the animals antibiotics and supplemental vitamins as part of their regular diet if the animals lived in natural conditions?

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What horrible conditions in particular are you talking about?
I'm probably the wrong person to offer exact details on this, as I have not been involved in inorganic companies in some time. It is difficult to list examples without references. I'll look it to about bit. I buy form companies such as Organic Pastures and Claravale, and their meat equivalent.

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Nena
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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #342
quote:
originally written by 1001011001000:
Also, if you can prove that animals have this same kind of interaction with God, or any interaction with God for that matter, I might be moved to believe that animals in fact do have souls. However, there is no evidence that animals follow any type of religion, and I think their lives are operated purely by God-given instinct and earthly experiences, but they don't voluntarily follow God.
Humans are the only animal capable of a worshiping a higher being, but there are many humans who have no connection to God, or don't believe in God at all. Does that mean some humans don't have a soul?

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Geneforge 3 Cheats in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #10
Being that you are just editing the script they do work on Mac and PC, and there is no money cheat.
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THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #28
Forgive me for the habit of not clarifying terms. Commercial as in non-organic, very large companies who's concern is money not animals. Fast-food companies are probably some of the worst.

Yes, they are indoors, but most of them don't have much room to move around. I'm sure cows like to walk around.

I never advocated Peta's ethics, just a place where there are pictures of conditions. They are against milk, and any other animal product (meat, eggs) I don't personally agree with such things.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Geneforge 3 Cheats in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #8
The GF2 editor can be found at the top of the GF2 forum. Yes, the necessary script is in the scripts folder.
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Litalia Bug in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #3
You'll still be a rebel. Nobody cares if she dies.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #26
Okay, perhaps the animals diet isn't a very strong argument. Cow are kept indoors in very poor conditions. Anyone who says commercial animals are treated well has not visited a commercial farm. I'm sure Peta would have some more accurate pictures. I'm not against eating meat, just the way industrialized farming operates.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Litalia Bug in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #1
If your leadership is high enough you can talk her out of attacking you. I don't remember what the number was, but a lot. She is canister crazy, jealous, and Akhiri Blaze probable told her to do it. It's not a bug at all.
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rebel on Harmony in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #1
None.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #334
Ben-
If animals don't have souls (which they do) than why did God give the sensations of fear and joy? Why would God give a creature thought and desires similar to ours, only to deny them the next realm?

“God made us in his own image” Image as in what? He looks like us or thinks like us? I'm guessing in body, due to when he created us we were made ignorant. Only after eating the forbidden fruit did we gain consciousness greater than that of animals.

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Nena
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Orois Blaze bug? in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #1
This would have fit well here.

If you kill him without dealing with him the result is the same. Can't say for sure, but it's likely part of the same bug.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Help! I can't find the Monastery of Tears! in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #4
The Right Acces Bracelet is in the Benerii-Eo Labs. The Golem in the northeast corner has it. The Left Access Bracelet is in the center of the Benerii-Eo Vat Core.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #23
Well there is something to be said about the humane treatment of animals. Like cows living outside in meadows and eating grass rather than genetically modified pesticide sprayed grain.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Geneforge 3 Cheats in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #1
They work the same as GF1 and 2. Press the “shift” and “d” keys simultaneously, and type the code. Yes they work in the demo, and type them lower case. The codes work no matter where you are. Make sure of your spelling, other than that, I don't know.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Help! I can't find the Monastery of Tears! in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #1
There is a dock in the northeast corner of The Tower Path on Gull Island.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Really, really, really non-good. in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #18
I like the idea of reading a book. Drawing or writing would be good as well. There is also the option of spending some time with your grandmother. Are you able to go out? If so go for a lot of walks, or got to the park.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Warped Creator in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #1
This was a fairly difficult battle. I used two drayks as long range, and I attacked it with melee. I found that when it had to focus on melee combat it didn't create as many creations. Bless and Haste everyone. Augmentation and shielding spells help as well.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Fun Experience Bug...and another question in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #2
If I am not mistaken the problem is when you speak to Issss-Ta in Icy End you are told to find Vrabel who is also in Icy End. Vrabel tells you to kill Orois Blaze in the Breeding Vally for a reward. If you kill Orois Blaze and report back to Vrabel nothing happens.

Email Jeff about this, it is a bug, and please use specific names and locations so we can help you.

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Artsy peoples! in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #7
The writing skills could use a little more work.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #320
I don't resent God. I dislike Christianity and Catholicism because they are hypocritical and no body who is guided by those faiths can answer my questions. They all have faith in something they barely understand. Why fallow a God you don't know and can't comprehend?

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #317
quote:
Originally written by hawk king:

when you turn 13 if you die and said no you go to hell 13 is the line once your there you can no longer claim ignorance its up to you now
Does the bible say 13 or do you? Times change, and people mature much slower now than they did 2000 years ago. What about people who are mentally incompetent, or are very dumb? Do they get special consideration?

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
99% of all Statistics are made up. in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #101
That's why it's better to do those types of things with friends rather than alone. Not that I have ever tried hallucinogens. I saw someone have a really bad trip once and decided it was better avoided.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00

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