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THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 10:39 Profile #76
[quote=Mind]
This issue is hasn't been contradicted yet:
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Besides, the lifespan of domesticated cows is probably much longer by average than the lifespan of undomesticated cows.
I didn't comment on this because it is irrelevant. They are given longer lives, but what does that have to do with them dying?

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Also, if animals wouldn't be slaughtered by humanity, would it reduce the suffering in the universe so significantly? Still, infinite beings would die every moment.
As I said I don't have a problem with the animals being killed for food, but many beings suffering doesn't justify causing another to suffer.

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Nena
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THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 10:01 Profile #72
quote:
Originally written by Mind:


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Originally written by andrew miller:

[qb]Grazing is what they do, why would they dislike doing it?
I didn't state that they dislike doing it, but that they don't enjoy doing it.
I said that, not Andrew, and who's to say they don't enjoy it? They are incapable of expressing joy or contentment the way we do.

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Nena
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THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 09:41 Profile #70
You are taking this from the prospective of a human living as a cow, not a cow living as a cow. Grazing is what they do, why would they dislike doing it?

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Nena
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Anvil on Dhonal's Isle? in Geneforge Series
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 08:54 Profile #3
On the peninsula southwest of the Main Army Camp.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Working cheater in Geneforge Series
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 08:49 Profile #14
quote:
Originally written by Abbadon:

-----------Dolphin-------------
Which scripts did you modify?
Aha so you want to now the rest
of the cheats.
Well i can say that of course the
testing grounds were modified
(how original) and the academy
and i've edited a script wich
contains Lankan that's all I shal say.
Well, actually I was asking so I could look over your coding, as I am curious what you did. Being that I have played this game in its entirety too many times as it is I would rather not do so again.

[ Wednesday, April 27, 2005 08:50: Message edited by: Dolphin ]
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 07:28 Profile #66
These reasons you didn't mention may only be apparent to you. Cows are not completely unconscious, and are doing what cows do, and likely enjoy doing it.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 07:01 Profile #63
What makes you so certain they would want to die?

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Nena
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Spharon Lands in Geneforge Series
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 06:54 Profile #2
There is also a way to sneak in to see Rahul through a passage to the far northeast in Dhonal's Keep, but you would loose a quest from Kroener.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 06:39 Profile #61
Mind-
Unless that animal wanted to die, killing it would be disadvantaging it.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 21:21 Profile #57
Nobody has voiced being against killing the animals, just how they are treated while living.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 16:36 Profile #54
How does this work where you are?

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 16:22 Profile #52
Of course if an animal is sick it receives medical care. To call dairy and meat antibiotic free means that they are not given antibiotics as part of their daily feed, and the dairy and meat must not contain any. The animal would not be milked or sold as meat until the antibiotic clears the system. Most inorganic farms (here) do add antibiotics as part of the cow's daily supplements

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 15:32 Profile #50
America doesn't have a single standard for Organics. It varies state to state. Where I am it means free from all artificial substances. For crops to be organic the soil has to be free of chemical fertilizers and pesticides for ten years, and the plants themselves must not be sprayed. For meat and dairy to be organic they have to be free of hormones and antibiotics. Antibiotics are not a natural substance, so to use them in farming would not be organic.

It's just my preference to not have those types if things in my food.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Artsy peoples! in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 12:00 Profile #32
It seems to me that who your are is relevant to your art.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Lankin plot bug? in Geneforge Series
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 10:55 Profile #9
There seems to be mixed feelings about GF3. It has similarities to the earlier games. I am happy I saw the whole game, but mostly because I just wanted to know what was going to happen. When I found out I was not excited.

As far a terrain you will later see more grass, than swampy cold grass, and finally snow. I liked the snow; it's a nice change.

I enjoyed the game enough that I found it to be worth buying, and I'm happy to support SW.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Litalia Bug in Geneforge Series
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 10:47 Profile #5
After completing the Geneforge I killed Akhiri Blaze, and no one cared. They are not the most loyal bunch. As for the leadership level I had 18, I don't know how much is actually needed.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
What do YOU want to see in G4? in Geneforge Series
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 09:08 Profile #38
I wish I could say where I got that from, but I don't know, probably GF1.

In GF1 the Sholai were hiding in a cave where there were turrets, not the cave to the far east. Part of the dialogue was “you are living here with rouges.” They responded, “We don't bother them, and they don't bother us.” Keep in mind this was a Shaper island. The existing creations may or may not have been there before the Sholai arrived. They may have just tamed some of the more docile creations.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Working cheater in Geneforge Series
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 08:56 Profile #9
Okay Hawk :)

Abbandon - Which scripts did you modify?
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Working cheater in Geneforge Series
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 08:26 Profile #7
Yes, it's very nice. Thank you for posting it. Hawk was going to post an item list, but I don't know what happened with that.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Working cheater in Geneforge Series
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 08:06 Profile #5
It looks great. Everything works.

One thing missing: all spells are upped, except fireball remains at one.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Lankin plot bug? in Geneforge Series
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 07:38 Profile #7
quote:
Originally written by JadeWolf:

Wasn't the first version of Exile bad quality?
I didn't see many mistakes in GF3 demo?!
*in defense of Jeff, my fav game producer*
I guess you aren't paying attention to spelling and grammar than; also the bugs come later in the game.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Is This Really One of the Endings? in Geneforge Series
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 07:35 Profile #2
You'll know it's the right boat when you get a message asking if you are ready to return to the Shaper Council, or the mainland.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 07:11 Profile #48
To Ash: As Thuryl said some antibiotics and other meds are potentially harmful to the baby. All I can comment on is what I would personally put in my body while breast-feeding. I would not give any of the early infancy vaccines, but many women feel it necessary, so these things are personal preferences.

The two dairy links are Organic free-range farms. They are very small companies and are kind to their animals. One is grass only and the other supplements grain in the winter. They are raw dairies, and California laws on unpasteurized sanitation standards are very strict. To clam a dairy as organic and raw it has to pass inspections to show it meets its claims, and is clean.

To Mind:
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Originally written by Dolphin:
By and large I agree with you. All else being equal, animals should be treated humanely and they generally are.
I didn't say that, I believe that Ash said that to me.

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Their life-span is short, and their consciousness is very limited.
Some animals have short lives, and some animals have limited consciousness. They do feel fear and pain. Why do unnecessary harm to any being? Especially one that can't comprehend why it is being hurt.

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Do you ever see them pace around in meadows as horses do?
They may be somewhat less mobile that some other farm animals, but that doesn't make it any more right to pack them into holding pens.

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That is a fallacious suspicion.
The meat of the cattle cultivated in Belgium is well-known for its quality, because of artificial selection. The farmers here were also often accused of using steroids, which has been proved to be incorrect.
Okay, but here it is common practice. Steroids meaning estrogens, growth hormone.

[ Tuesday, April 26, 2005 08:13: Message edited by: Dolphin ]

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Monday, April 25 2005 21:16 Profile #41
Fair enough, and the two links earlier on are organic dairy companies. I don't know what to say about animal rights in particular. I eat meat, so I can't complain about killing animals. This was entertaining though :P

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Monday, April 25 2005 20:38 Profile #39
I will look for some medical research on what is passed on to us, but also show me something that says the hormones don't affect humans.

The cow's utters wouldn't abscess if they were kept clean. There is meat that is “No hormones, no antibiotics” as in Organic or all-natural meat. It can be done. The cows shouldn't get like that in the first place. And I would argue that once given hormones and antibiotics the animal is no long suitable for consumption anyways.

Edit: The claim is that the hormones in given to the animals will cause cancer. Not my favorite links, I'll see if I can find better ones.

[ Monday, April 25, 2005 20:55: Message edited by: Dolphin ]

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Nena
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