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my grang-grandfather died in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Thursday, April 28 2005 13:33 Profile #54
They do say just that. Only they consider that such sayings of the Church are also revelation, and authoritative.

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Debout! les damnés de la terre! in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Thursday, April 28 2005 04:26 Profile #6
It's either true, or a widespread myth, that the Nazis initiated the May 1st labor holiday. Whether or not they actually originated the idea, I certainly understand that they established it as a German national holiday. They had a number of such token policies designed to lull the proletariat, such as calling themselves National Socialists.

[ Thursday, April 28, 2005 04:26: Message edited by: Student of Trinity ]

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my grang-grandfather died in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Thursday, April 28 2005 04:22 Profile #52
So do the people that were in Limbo before 1992 get grandfathered in, or are they languishing in the Limbo of Limbos? I mean, it's pretty rough when even Limbo goes condo and evicts a bunch of foeti.

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Errand boy vlish in Geneforge Series
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 18:38 Profile #6
Shopkeeper: Can I help you?
Gazer: The eye is just looking.
Shopkeeper: [Can't shovel the stuff over fast enough.]

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Benedictus XVI has a twin brother... in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 14:04 Profile #7
There was a Borgia pope (or two?). Isaac Newton seriously thought the pope was the antichrist. Comparing Benedict XVI to a movie bad guy is a tad bland, because see: the man is THE POPE!

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THE GREAT DEBATE in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 13:40 Profile #92
Humans never made any individual cows dependent upon humans. By choosing which cows and bulls would breed, and in the process helping many more cows to breed and to live than would have managed to do so naturally, humans have made the species of cow dependent upon them. No doubt many lean and ornery longhorns, which might in a state of nature have been long-lived and prolific sires, have suffered early extinction at human hands. Yet for every such thwarted champion bull, several fat placid milkmachines, which might in a state of nature have starved quickly, have survived and proliferated in comfort. The net human impact on life, reproduction, and comfort of individual cows would seem to be enormously positive.

The offense of human husbandry, if there is any, would therefore seem to be not against cows, but against the cow genome. If there is any doubt about the moral rights of cows, surely the rights of such an abstract collective entity as the cow genome are quite nebulous. For one thing, the whole human-cow relationship, at the species level, can surely be considered a most cunningly successful symbiosis, as far as the cow genome is concerned. If genomes can have wishes, then the mammoth genome probably wishes it could have been a cow.

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Errand boy vlish in Geneforge Series
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 12:29 Profile #2
HA! I did not anticipate that effect. The tentacle is quicker than the eye!

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my grang-grandfather died in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 05:23 Profile #37
Why doesn't Hallmark have a line of sympathy cards for loved ones' damnations? It's not like Hallmark would have to believe in hell -- they're just selling stuff to customers. And there would seem to be a decent market segment of folks who claim to believe in hell. Why wouldn't they buy each other such cards? Could it be that, if it actually becomes personal, practically no-one really can believe in hell, even if they think they should? Or is my attempt to let the marketplace settle metaphysical questions somehow flawed?

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RWG in Richard White Games
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 05:13 Profile #48
Pidgicide, or eggicide? You decide.

I really don't think those black arcs were dark colors, and even if they were, adding white to a shade of blue so dark as to look black should just make a gray that was no more than very slightly bluish. That was not the effect I saw.

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Errand boy vlish in Geneforge Series
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 05:06 Profile #0
Maybe all the GF games have had this feature, but I just noticed it, and it's strange.

You can pick up any items to which any of your party is close. So you can dump a pile of things by the dock, leave a vlish there to guard them, and saunter off to the north edge of the map. Then hit 'g', and just by clicking on all the stuff that appears, transfer it instantly across the map.

I just picture that eager vlish, running back and forth with all your things as fast as its little tentacles can carry it ...

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Lankin plot bug? in Geneforge Series
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 18:56 Profile #10
Quite a few people in the game indicate that there are more rogues around than just the ones you meet (and usually kill). Many others are lurking in between the tiles, it seems. So Lankan still has grounds for being worried about rogues even after you have trashed every available one. I agree, though, that this could be spelled out more, and that Lankan ought to at least react a bit to the fact that you have taken out the spawners and minds.

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Artsy peoples! in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 12:42 Profile #33
It seems to me that if this thread stayed on its original topic for more than a page it would be a historic first. Wandering off onto furriness in general should not be construed as disrespect for the original theme.

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Artsy peoples! in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 11:48 Profile #30
Thanks. Can't say I'm much of a furry myself, but it really doesn't seem so bad.

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Artsy peoples! in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 10:05 Profile #27
I am so sure I'll regret asking this, but (ulp): What the heck is a furry?

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Three Questions in Geneforge Series
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 09:52 Profile #6
You find out what was behind that mystery door in Geneforge 3.

Shantih's necklace really does seem to be just a necklace, as she says. You can't get it.

Barzahl is no big deal, certainly not after Inner Gazak-Uss.

Kill Eyebeasts the same way a hopped-up Agent can kill anything: pop round a corner, flash a couple Kills or Auras of Flames, then pop back out of sight, making sure to save at least on AP. Exit combat mode, then re-enter immediately. Repeat until whatever it is becomes whatever it was. Minor variation if no convenient corner is at hand: finish up with Strong Daze. Worst case, attack only once per round, and use the remaining 10 AP to get back and forth from behind cover.

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Three Questions in Geneforge 2
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 09:52 Profile #6
You find out what was behind that mystery door in Geneforge 3.

Shantih's necklace really does seem to be just a necklace, as she says. You can't get it.

Barzahl is no big deal, certainly not after Inner Gazak-Uss.

Kill Eyebeasts the same way a hopped-up Agent can kill anything: pop round a corner, flash a couple Kills or Auras of Flames, then pop back out of sight, making sure to save at least on AP. Exit combat mode, then re-enter immediately. Repeat until whatever it is becomes whatever it was. Minor variation if no convenient corner is at hand: finish up with Strong Daze. Worst case, attack only once per round, and use the remaining 10 AP to get back and forth from behind cover.

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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Monday, April 25 2005 14:24 Profile #340
I wish I were so confident science could explain everything. The highest goal of physics seems to be determine the ultimate equations of motion, leaving the initial conditions of the universe a complete mystery, even though everything would depend on them. Yet my mind boggles at the idea that everything, down to the minutest detail of creation, should be logically necessary; which is what the existence of an explanation of the initial conditions would seem to mean. I am left confused about even what I ought to mean by 'explain'.

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RWG in Richard White Games
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Monday, April 25 2005 12:43 Profile #43
I recently saw a very strange optical illusion. It was a wheel half black and half white, but with three short black arcs added to the white half. When spun rapidly, the arcs appeared to be colored, even though when still the whole pattern was very clearly pure black and white. The museum's accompanying text promised that that would happen, so it is a known illusion. What's with it, though?

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rebel on Harmony in Geneforge Series
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Monday, April 25 2005 12:33 Profile #0
I'm on my second run through G3, this time as a rabid rebel Shaper, with Greta, Alwan, and a squad of vlish. (Alwan is pretty shocked, but I tell myself I'll make it up to him when I reincarnate as a die-hard Shaper loyalist Guardian.) Nearing the end of Harmony Isle, I haven't really noticed much difference from my first game as a lukewarm loyalist; but I expect this to change soon. I want to be maximally rebel, so of course I'll be giving Mr Lankan his medicine; but I also want to squeeze as much experience out of the island as I can. I don't really have much time to spare for Geneforge, so I don't want to have to redo anything. So, a question:

How much difference will it make to my career in the rebellion if I kill all the rogues and spawners before handing Lankan his little jar?

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Why does no-one notice you're a prodigy? in Geneforge Series
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Monday, April 25 2005 12:24 Profile #20
It seems clear that the arts of the Shapers mostly consist of skills never acquired by the PC: growing living tools, mines, and turrets; growing long-lived creatures in vats; researching new creatures, items, or improvements; controlling large numbers of creations at immense distances; making potions; making living boats; shaping items; and so on. The PC evidently turns out to be a prodigy in the narrow range of arts most useful for doing what the PC does -- making a handful of creations from personal essence, slaying rogues, disarming traps. These talents wouldn't necessarily make one stand out so extremely in a Shaper school that was mostly dedicated to longer term endeavors.

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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Monday, April 25 2005 12:04 Profile #333
If there is such a sharp distinction between religion and science, I don't see how that can be it. Some religious people think they have all the answers already. Many others are confident, or at least hopeful, that all the answers will eventually be revealed. Some scientists doubt that some important questions have answers comprehensible to humans. Practically all scientists admit that many questions will go unanswered for the foreseeable future, and the distinction between that and 'forever' does not seem to have many practical consequences. And of course many scientists are religious.

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Warped Creator in Geneforge Series
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Monday, April 25 2005 05:38 Profile #4
I kept Dazing the worms so I could continue lobbing Searers onto the Creator. It took a while, but the outcome was never in doubt.

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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Sunday, April 24 2005 16:16 Profile #330
I do not assume God will never be comprehensible, at least not at the level of comprehensibility involved in answering simple questions. I am agnostic about the ultimate comprehensibility of God. I merely point out the inconsistency of expecting people to explain God, when no-one can even explain (for example) quantum gravity. The universe is subtle, strange, and difficult to imagine; any God worthy of the name must be at least equally so. The complexity of a theology is the last thing that should be held against it.

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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Sunday, April 24 2005 10:28 Profile #323
Neither I nor anyone else on the planet comprehends how quantum mechanics and general relativity can be reconciled, but evidently they are, and the universe rests on that union. Hence no God that I could comprehend could possibly be responsible for the universe. It is belief in a comprehensible God that would make no sense.

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Does Spiderweb improve your English? in General
Student of Trinity
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
 written Saturday, April 23 2005 14:34 Profile #46
The first sentence of the preface to The Book of Common Prayer: the acme of English prose style, as of 1549, when men were men, and colons were everywhere:

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THERE was never any thing by the wit of man so well devised, or so surely established, which (in continuance of time) hath not been corrupted: as (emong other thinges) it may plainly appere by the common prayers in the Churche, commonlye called divine service: the firste originall and grounde whereof, if a manne woulde searche out by the auncient fathers, he shall finde that the same was not ordeyned, but of a good purpose, and for a great advauncement of godlines: For they so ordred the matter, that all the whole Bible (or the greatest parte thereof) should be read over once in the yeare, intendyng thereby, that the Cleargie, and specially suche as were Ministers of the congregacion, should (by often readyng and meditacion of Gods worde) be stirred up to godlines themselfes, and be more able also to exhorte other by wholsome doctrine, and to confute them that were adversaries to the trueth.


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