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What do YOU want to see in G4? in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #5
It would be cool if you could be a Sholai. Since they have warriors and mages you could end up with Guardian-like and Agent-like classes, and perhaps some kind of Sholai shaman would find themselves good at storing essence, once they had picked up some training and/or canisters. We already know from G1 that Sholai can use canisters.

Plotwise, I think it would be nice if the GF series introduced some prospect for resolving the power paradox which has been its main theme so far. It might be that the resolution would fail, or it might succeed or fail depending on the player's actions.

By the 'power paradox' I mean the fact that you can only gain enough power to change the Shaper world by becoming something at least as bad as the Shapers in the process. The problem has been pretty thoroughly presented by the end of G3. Just to keep harping on it would get monotonous. To try to do something about it, this time, would be very interesting.

According to one of the G1 endings that the G2-3 history line doesn't take, the Sholai leader Trajkov basically manages it, while the Shaper PC cannot. So perhaps the Sholai have something the Shapers lack.

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Khyryk oddity in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #0
For some reason Khryk sells me Kill and Major Heal as Shaping training, not magic. My Agent was happy with this deal, but I thought it was odd. Chalk it up to his 'eccentricity'?

It seems that in G3 you can still train twice in a skill after you have canistered it. This is good because in G2 you were tempted into some weird and tedious strategies to postpone canisters until after training. If you were really serious this even meant pushing yourself right through Outer Gazak-Uss at foolhardily low levels just so you didn't miss out on the training. While that was good for getting some adrenaline after you've beaten the game a few times, it didn't really make sense in the game world. (Puny Shaper runs gauntlet of deadly horrors on hunch that at the end there'll be a servile hermit with a really good Powerpoint show ...)

[ Wednesday, April 13, 2005 18:23: Message edited by: Student of Trinity ]

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Phaedra in Blades of Avernum
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #73
Yeah. In the off chance that taking it a little bit seriously isn't, though:

Sexism is bad, but there's a point past which hypersensitivity greatly impedes the fight against it, by making every complaint seem ridiculous by association. On the other hand, it is true that there are few patently appropriate opportunities to fight something so pervasive: there are almost always a lot of smooth arguments against rocking the boat. So it can be hard to tell by oneself when one has gone beyond fighting the good fight, and has reached the point of damaging hypersensitivity.

My own guess is that as long as the opposing reactions are defensive, the critique may be on target. Once the predominant reaction is pure ridicule, I think it may be worth considering the other possibility -- if one is really serious about opposing sexism, and not just striking a pose.

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Favorite Author in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #9
Who the hell is Sherman Alexie?

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striped clawbug in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #1
Display Warrens basement, northeast corner.

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Middle of the road viewpoint in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #8
I kind of hate the boats, too, and yet I think they are right. The slight annoyance I have as a player in getting between islands makes me actually think of them as islands separated by difficult waters, and I think this contributes to the atmosphere of the game.

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Two years to the day. in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #108
When we can't mate with ourselves?

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Chadwick prison in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #1
Wait till your cellmate dies, then conceal yourself in his shroud. After they throw you into the sea, escape before you drown.

Oh, wait, that's the Chateau d'If. Sorry, can't help.

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Phaedra in Blades of Avernum
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #62
Ah, another pitifully unwitting victim of the conspiracy.

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Middle of the road viewpoint in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #3
I have the same feelings - as both Mike and Zorro.

I believe that in a time of crisis moderation can sometimes be very immoral. GF3 seems to portray such a situation, where the only available choice is a choice between evils. I don't feel that the game loses its ethical standards, though: to me the least of evils is always an entirely right choice. The question is, which one really is the least of evils?

It isn't easy to tell. But I submit that it should not really have been so easy to tell in the earlier games, either. There were serious problems with the Awakened, in my opinion. And the nonaligned option was really a Loyalist path.

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Party Poll(please vote for this) in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #2
"Wi' a hundred vlishes and a', and a' ..."

Ach, the tunes, the tunes of glory!

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Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00
Two years to the day. in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #98
Yeah. Part of me likes the idea that intelligence is cosmically rare, so that humans can hope to expand far and long, without being eradicated by some even more aggressive species. But what a shame not to run into more aliens.

Actually, galaxies are big enough (never mind the universe as a whole) for lots of middle ground. It could be that a typical starfaring species colonizes many hundreds of worlds before meeting another; the galaxy could still hold many hundreds of such species. But when you try to put in numbers, assuming a long lifetime for advanced civilizations always does make it problematic that we haven't yet met anyone. I believe it was Pauli who asked, about this, "Where is everybody?"

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Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00
Two years to the day. in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #96
No, see: it won't be long at all before we'll be able to let any Centaurans know that we exist.

So how likely is it that they are there, but happen to be no further advanced than we? If technological civilizations last many millions of years on average, so that we are just beginning, then it would be an incredible fluke that the Centaurans happened to be just as young. It would be like picking two random citizens and getting two newborns, only much more so.

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Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00
Two years to the day. in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #92
From the apparent dearth of alien civilizations I conclude that the universe is a dangerous place even for technologically advanced life forms, and that our odds of surviving for millions of years are probably low. Oh well.

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Tips Anyone? in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #2
A pretty good walkthrough exists. See links at top of forum.

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Tips Anyone? in Geneforge
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #2
A pretty good walkthrough exists. See links at top of forum.

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Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00
Display Warrens and Crumbled Lab [SPOILERS] in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #8
Ah, I just killed all the pylons for the experience. Maybe I need to flip one switch.

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Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00
The Universe in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #125
Yeah, it should be possible to 'mine' rotating black holes for energy. You could shine light into the ergosphere (not the horizon, but a larger region within which space itself is rotating) and get it to come out with higher frequency than it went in. This doesn't even involve quantum mechanics, and it is pretty non-controversial. The black hole would slowly spin down as a result, so you're not making energy from nothing, just mining a resource.

But we're talking about using the black hole as a furnace to consume ordinary matter. This is really a different idea. Probably lots of people have thought about it over a beer, but it could be no-one has taken the trouble to spin it for publication.

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Phaedra in Blades of Avernum
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #59
Wow, have you guys ever given yourselves away. The truth is that Kelandon has implemented an ingenious script, whereby this character's elaborate clothes can only be seen by players who are truly wise. I see them clearly. They are most elegant.

[ Monday, April 11, 2005 11:09: Message edited by: Student of Trinity ]

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Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00
The Universe in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #122
Yeah, it's unstable against catastrophic shrinking. Shouldn't be too big a problem if you just get it big enough: in principle you can do feedback control on the temperature. The Hawking furnace has the odd property that you cool it down by feeding it faster. It's getting it big enough to be in a safe operating range that must be tough.

Also, it might be a pain putting this kind of heat engine into a vehicle, because it has to be pretty darn massive. You might use it to generate the power needed to produce antimatter, then run your starships on matter-antimatter batteries.

Now I'm really wondering whether anyone has published a paper on the engineering issues in making and operating a Hawking furnace. I believe I just invented that name for this device, but it's an obvious enough concept that I'd be surprised if no-one had written it up. On the other hand I'd also be somewhat surprised if they had and I hadn't heard of it, and I haven't. If it hasn't been written yet, it could be a quick and easy publication ... [would grin hungrily, except that every other idea he has ever had for a 'quick and easy' publication has turned out to be very far from either, sigh].

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Khor's Deeps (possible spoilers) in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #11
I was 30th, playing as a singleton who had grubbed for experience pretty shamelessly.

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Actual gameplay questions in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #18
Yeah, it's a bit disappointing that there aren't a few more late game dialog branches, especially since there are several reasons why you can end up going back to revisit old islands. Lankan was so miffed about the rogues, so he should have something to say if you announce that you've squelched them -- even if what he says is just that this episode has revealed to him the terrible irresponsibility of Shaper rule, and now he can never submit because there will always be a next time.

Maybe they can get added in an update.

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Display Warrens and Crumbled Lab [SPOILERS] in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #6
Was it the cryodrayk's kept Shaper? He's pretty irritating so maybe I'll bop him to see what happens. I think it's the canisters that make me think this way.

Edit: Oh, no, he's to the west and around a few corners. Maybe I'll still bop him, though, for being irritating. Oh, and a treacherous disgrace to the name of a Shaper who must be blotted from the earth lest the slightest rumor of our fallibility spread. Yeah.

Green means goo!

[ Monday, April 11, 2005 08:37: Message edited by: Student of Trinity ]

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Display Warrens and Crumbled Lab [SPOILERS] in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #4
I've had no trouble getting anywhere (except for that NW room in Crumbled Lab (thanks) and a spot in Khor's Deeps that I think might be a dock). But Display Warrens is red. Who was I supposed to off?

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Display Warrens and Crumbled Lab [SPOILERS] in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #2
I assisted it from existence. I hate those creepy things. Don't tell me it would have given me a lollipop?

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