Phaedra
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Shaper
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written Sunday, April 10 2005 12:36
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You just figured that out, Kel? -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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E Equals MC What!!!!
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written Sunday, April 10 2005 21:16
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This topic is utterly hilarious. -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Monday, April 11 2005 06:00
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See, the problem is that the Avernum graphics are just way too vivid and realistic. All that glowing, airbrushed beauty bypasses our forebrains and acts directly on our reflexive, animal hindbrains. This is exploitive and assaultive, and fatally undermines the true purpose of a medium like BoA, which is to produce profound literature for the detached intellect. Well, I'm glad I was able to learn this disappointing truth by reading this topic. Now I can avoid wasting my time getting into BoA, and pursue the more promising project of porting Proust into Pong. [ Monday, April 11, 2005 11:07: Message edited by: Student of Trinity ] -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Monday, April 11 2005 06:17
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Oops, an even deeper comment maybe she stole wonder woman's bra. It is why she is so hardy. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Monday, April 11 2005 06:39
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no no no it si teh OOBER BRA OF HARDINESS + 10 that she stol from teh BIG DRAGON OF RAARR-YNESS in the dungeon of MANY BAD THINGS in the scenario VALLEY OF THE DEATH UNDEAD PLAGUE MONSTARZZZZ!!!!!111 Um... So I tried to think of something useful to say in addition to that. Maybe it is the nature of this topic that I couldn't. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Monday, April 11 2005 07:42
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So maybe she's a slut, or maybe she just dresses like one to manipulate people, or maybe she goes swimming a lot. Maybe the gleaming steel bikini distracts her enemies, giving her an advantage in combat that plate mail simply cannot provide. I don't see why that's a problem. I mean, there are people who dress provocatively in real life. Often, they use it to their advantage. Why can't there be in BOA? Does Phaedra have to be the paradigm of virtue? I don't see the contradiction here. Maybe Avernum is just a chauvinistic society. It's hardly unlikely, considering almost every society ever in real life has been. Posts: 14 | Registered: Saturday, March 26 2005 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, April 11 2005 08:01
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There is a disadvantage in leaving your abdomen exposed in combat. Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00 |
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By Committee
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written Monday, April 11 2005 08:04
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Maybe dudes just dig scoping out chicks. The multi-billion dollar porn industry can't be wrong... EDIT: Actually, heavy armor has the downside of limiting mobility, which can then become more important - consider modern warfare. Perhaps the Avernum-equivalent would be magic, in which case, a magic bra as opposed to regular armor is a good call, while a wonder, or miracle, bra in all cases remains a bad call. :P [ Monday, April 11, 2005 08:11: Message edited by: andrew miller ] Posts: 2242 | Registered: Saturday, April 10 2004 07:00 |
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Agent
Member # 1993
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written Monday, April 11 2005 09:15
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quote:( :cool: pp () LL She wears the invisible magic chain suit ... -------------------- Slartucker: * facepalm facepalm facepalm * Dikiyoba: Are you unconscious yet? Posts: 1420 | Registered: Wednesday, October 2 2002 07:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Monday, April 11 2005 11:06
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Wow, have you guys ever given yourselves away. The truth is that Kelandon has implemented an ingenious script, whereby this character's elaborate clothes can only be seen by players who are truly wise. I see them clearly. They are most elegant. [ Monday, April 11, 2005 11:09: Message edited by: Student of Trinity ] -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Monday, April 11 2005 11:30
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Maybe like most adventurers she is a little bit unbalanced and sees no problem attacking a dragon with a 3 feet iron sword. :P Hah. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, April 12 2005 06:12
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Holy CRAP! I come back here to check on any new scenarios being released or developed and find TM wearing a foil-hat and trying to warn everyone of the capitalist conspiracy that exists within Keladon's scenario which he was tipped off to by the fact that one of the female NPCs is dressed unrealistically sexy in a fantasy RPG environment(Boris Valejo be DAMNED!)! This may be the stupidest argument I have ever witnessed. If you have a problem with women looking sexy by the standards of modern, earthly males in a fantasy game because it is 'unrealistic' then I remind you of the fact that these same characters are using sorcery, rather than attorneys to solve problems(re:It is a FANSTASY game!). For those who object because they see a leftist/right-wing/capitalist/communist conspiracy to turn us into drone-workers for some overmind then I submit that YOU are living in a fantasy world! [ Tuesday, April 12, 2005 06:13: Message edited by: SkeleTony ] -------------------- "I am in a very peculiar business. I travel all over the world telling people what they should already know." - James Randi Posts: 219 | Registered: Saturday, October 13 2001 07:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Tuesday, April 12 2005 11:47
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Ah, another pitifully unwitting victim of the conspiracy. -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Tuesday, April 12 2005 12:25
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This is incredibly funny. [ Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:26: Message edited by: Dolphin ] Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, April 12 2005 17:42
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Wow lots of feminists here... I didn't see anyone complaining about the graphic of the guy in a bathing suit... Posts: 59 | Registered: Wednesday, January 5 2005 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, April 12 2005 17:47
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Hey, look, it's me, someone who hasn't thrown in on this conversation yet! ;) I have to say, friends usually make fun of me for using big words, and that stuff from TM... out of my league, in a lot of cases. I admit that I didn't play all the way through Bahs, but I saw Phaedra at the beginning, and really... I didn't flip out or anything. Since that's the case for me, I wish I could reveal the secret to not being brainwashed by commands from above, and ignoring sexiness... I'm sure it would be a great boon to the modern world, freeing them from their base impulses, instead of learning not to make a big deal out of seeing women in bikinis. Oh, wait, make that cartoon ladies in bikinis. ;) Posts: 93 | Registered: Saturday, June 1 2002 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Tuesday, April 12 2005 18:40
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Anime has been a staple of modern sexism in Japan. I'm not sure why you underestimate the damage that "fake" sexism can do here- on the other hand, I suppose pornography is harmless and respects females' dignities? (No, don't bother responding. I'm just disgusted by the casuality of oppressive insecurity. This ain't the place to fight it, but as far as I've seen, nowhere is. I'd posit that sexism is the biggest symptom of the free market.) -------------------- * Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Tuesday, April 12 2005 19:02
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If you really don't want to be responded to, don't bother posting your inane diatribes and then appending these lame requests for silence to them. Seriously, you're so far out in left field here that I wouldn't be surprised if you began advocating self-castration so as to prevent any woman from ever having to bear a child again. [ Tuesday, April 12, 2005 19:03: Message edited by: This Glass Is Half Stugie ] -------------------- Stughalf "Delusion arises from anger. The mind is bewildered by delusion. Reasoning is destroyed when the mind is bewildered. One falls down when reasoning is destroyed."- The Bhagavad Gita. Posts: 1798 | Registered: Sunday, October 5 2003 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Tuesday, April 12 2005 19:08
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Is anybody actually offended by seeing a woman in a bikini? [ Tuesday, April 12, 2005 19:08: Message edited by: Dolphin ] Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, April 12 2005 19:28
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TM, I think at this point we would all be better served if you were to just go off and do unspeakable things whilst reading the SCUM Manifesto. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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BANNED
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written Wednesday, April 13 2005 03:57
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quote:Yes. Sexism is one of a few issues that genuinely disturbs and angers me. Seeing it in my backyard irritates me. Having it denied angers me. Being laughed at it infuriates me. [ Wednesday, April 13, 2005 06:41: Message edited by: Le Martyre de la Terreur ] -------------------- * Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, April 13 2005 04:02
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Mocking you would be entirely superfluous at this point. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Wednesday, April 13 2005 05:00
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quote:Ergo, a woman wearing a bikini is always a demonstration of sexism? Please, I can't follow your logic. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Wednesday, April 13 2005 05:14
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Yeah. In the off chance that taking it a little bit seriously isn't, though: Sexism is bad, but there's a point past which hypersensitivity greatly impedes the fight against it, by making every complaint seem ridiculous by association. On the other hand, it is true that there are few patently appropriate opportunities to fight something so pervasive: there are almost always a lot of smooth arguments against rocking the boat. So it can be hard to tell by oneself when one has gone beyond fighting the good fight, and has reached the point of damaging hypersensitivity. My own guess is that as long as the opposing reactions are defensive, the critique may be on target. Once the predominant reaction is pure ridicule, I think it may be worth considering the other possibility -- if one is really serious about opposing sexism, and not just striking a pose. -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Wednesday, April 13 2005 07:15
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Thanks to Kel for not responding to the invective and apologies. Meanwhile, bikinis:  Not much is left to guess at. From this, the conclusion can be drawn that an attractive woman wearing a bikini is wearing an outfit which is pleasurable to men. Simultaneously, we do not live in a particularly austere society. People are open about sexuality to the extent where it is an element of casuality rather than intimacy. Manichianism is a wrong unto itself, but total sexual deregulation has become a powerful force since the sexual revolution, and females are now wholeheartedly encouraged to display more skin. Thus, it can be concluded that for many females, showing skin is far more than a comfort issue- there are social pulls. If wearing bikinis is pleasurable for men and there is a social pull for it, then it is an act of dominance which intrinsically reflects sexism. Furthermore, women are being relegated to objects. People have more aspects to themselves than their sexualities, and when the intellects and emotive capacities of women are discarded or valued only as aphrodisiacs, then they lose their value and women become sex dolls with blood and natural lubricant or walking porno mags. From the perspective of the woman wearing the bikini, it is submitting to sexism. She is deigning to wear an outfit which she KNOWS will have an effect on the men around her- halter tops are not worn for comfort, nor are bikinis, nor are thongs. If they are worn to get a rise out of men, it is women selling their dignities for palpable control, which is akin to selling one's self for intercourse for capital. In other words, whoredom. If women wear such garb for the purpose of getting laid, then it is often for gaining social standing. (For instance, statistics report that most women do not find pleasure in sex, especially after repeated instances.) And then there's the whole aspect of women becoming commodities- by displaying themselves as beautiful objects to be taken, they re-inforce the moral values of the free market. If it is for the sheer sexual pleasure of getting laid or "feeling sexy," then women are discarding their dignities for the sake of hedonism, often because they are taught not to value aphysical pleasures in the first place. And so it goes increasingly moreso as of late for men as well- although I'm not sure how this is a good thing. I cannot describe to you how gut-wrenching it is dealing with masculine insecurity, although I would think that I wouldn't have to. (Posting on SW is a great way to advertise one's own impotency.) Being comparably unattractive has been a force of incredible isolation for me, and not having "gotten the girl" (as it is inevitably the man's position to be the power broker of coochies and cooters) torments me. Women as sexual objects has dragged me to a level where I cannot see any woman beyond her sexual potency- it is a struggle to view girls even down to the age of twelve and lower as actual human beings beyond their sexual capabilities, and it has been rigorous to try and reverse my training as a capitalist stormtrooper as such. Having constraints on any relationships with the other 51% of humanity (and also constraints amongst men due to my woeful inaptitude that has wracked me with guilt and feelings of incompetence) is a damning feeling that licentious behavior unwittingly furthers. ... So what about sex among emotionally involved partners? I'm fine with that- no, I encourage that. An expression of exposing one another's vulnerabilities is an excellent way to further intimacy. (This is, inevitably, another reason why faceless sex is bad- it devalues this form of expression with a partner whom one actually values.) Sex isn't bad. I just have an immutable detest for domination, superiority, liquidation of dignity, and social pulls for faceless and emotionless encouters that devalue any and all relationships down the road. But don't take my word for it. If you think that pornography leaves you unphased and that faceless sex and that women pandering into demands etc are all amoral activities, so be it- but also note your personal reactions to each of these things and how your doing them or others' doing them makes you think and feel. (And I dunno. I feel sorta embarassed for trusting in the sincerity of those around me- I expect to be scorned as such, but wouldn't entirely mind being surprised in this instance. And also, this thread should probably be duplicated and sent to general for more generalized discussion.) -------------------- * Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |