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GoatMan Apprentice Member # 5350	written Thursday, April 7 2005 20:12 Profile #25 Are you saying that you have something against short women? Posts: 10 \| Registered: Sunday, January 2 2005 08:00
Custer Bob's Big Date Member # 3151	written Thursday, April 7 2005 21:28 Profile Homepage #26 Whenever it's not Kelandon with his subconscious-fuelled leather bondage fetish feisty sex kitten, it's TM with his subconscious-fuelled manga schoolgirl fetish feisty sex kitten. If someone's business is beating ass, chances are they are not going to be particularly attractive to most people. Likely over-muscular, scarred and deformed by physical combat. The closest they're going to come to a bikini is field plate, and they are not going to be some busty hippy supermodel because that is a liability. Bits that stick out have a nasty habit of getting hit, and a woman composed of more parts sticking out farther than usual is not going to perform as well in combat, especially if 'combat' involves, as it does with a BoA tech level, the other guy trying to punch your teeth in. The physical traits our society demands for social success on women's behalf mirror the physical ideals of fertility and motherhood, and making a woman physically designed for a baby machine into a frontliner is incongruous and ridiculous. Not to mention crypto-sexist in a bad way - which was what TM was getting at (though hamfistedly and inaccurately as usual). Mind you, sex appeal is all mental. A character who is not even visibly female is perfectly capable of being your typical vixen if characterized right, and would certainly be more consistent with reality and the universe in which you're working than a character who is a sex object because of incongruous, artificial appearances. -------------------- The biggest, the baddest, and the fattest. Posts: 2367 \| Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Thursday, April 7 2005 22:12 Profile Homepage #27 Alec has a point. TM didn't, but Alec does. To that I say: it was a BoA default graphic, so the realism doesn't bother me much. After all, I don't think ANY of the characters are actually depicted as wearing armor in their larger pics. Just for reference, Phaedra's personality and sexuality will become considerably more significant in the sequel, and the choice of graphic as a method of characterization will make more sense to balance out the lack of realism. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Thursday, April 7 2005 23:31 Profile Homepage #28 quote: Originally written by Kelandon: Just for reference, Phaedra's personality and sexuality will become considerably more significant in the sequel, and the choice of graphic as a method of characterization will make more sense to balance out the lack of realism. Considering the sequel is apparently destined to take place largely in slith lands, that leads to mental images I'm not sure I want to contemplate. O_o -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
jos Apprentice Member # 5339	written Friday, April 8 2005 00:40 Profile #29 I think someone should consider making an adult porn scenario with phaedra and lord putidus, to cool down TM so he figures out that phaedra is just some stupid graphic in a scenario. He's making from a mice an elephant(don't know if they say that in english that way, they use it over here a lot) Posts: 36 \| Registered: Thursday, December 30 2004 08:00
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Friday, April 8 2005 03:20 Profile Homepage #30 So wait a second- the fact that Pheadra represents corporate whoredom for the purpose of linking meritocracy with larger breasts is somehow less coherent than describing how her sexuality actually gets in the way of her job for said capitalists? Pardon me, but I think I just heard the definition of sexism in the free market from our golden(shower) boy. When dignity is incomprehensible, you start getting skeevy with your skivvies. jos- This is essentially the leftist fallacy that has permeated casuality so well that it is an intimate component of oppressive insecurity that people don't even realize it anymore. Seeing it here gets me irritated, having it be denied so vehemently is even worse. On the other hand, said porn scenario would be the perfect excuse to parodize Kel's style. Too bad I'm trying to stave off designing out of spite (ie, Canopy's title, EM's goblin dungeon, the entirety of RoR, etc). [ Friday, April 08, 2005 03:21: Message edited by: Le Martyre de la Terreur ] -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
jos Apprentice Member # 5339	written Friday, April 8 2005 03:29 Profile #31 I think that your problem is, TM, that you take these things to seriously. It is a fact that woman are the greatest creatures in the world and that they should be treated with respect. Kel probably didn't think about it when he took the pic from the louvre, that some people could be shocked by it. Nevertheless, don't take this so hard Posts: 36 \| Registered: Thursday, December 30 2004 08:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, April 8 2005 04:48 Profile Homepage #32 quote: Originally written by Le Martyre de la Terreur: So wait a second- the fact that Pheadra represents corporate whoredom for the purpose of linking meritocracy with larger breasts But she doesn't. That was my point. Phaedra is not actually a slut unless you are so shallow as to call her that purely based on how she dresses. [ Friday, April 08, 2005 04:51: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Friday, April 8 2005 05:04 Profile Homepage #33 This debate over the alleged sexual habits of a fictional character is growing decreasingly hilarious and increasingly unsettling. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
moonear Infiltrator Member # 5410	written Friday, April 8 2005 05:07 Profile #34 Har Har Hardee Har Har. You folks have given me humor for the day, perhaps longer. Thoroughly entertaining. You know, I played the scenario and barely noticed what the poor lady was wearing. Perhaps I have not been sexually traumatized enough to notice these things, or perhaps I am more interested in storyline and plot development. Playing the scenario, I was intrigued by the mystery of Phaedra and actively sought out what makes her "tick". Excellent character, entertaining and multi-faceted. And again I say Har Har Hadee Har Har :D -------------------- "Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things." "You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares." Posts: 687 \| Registered: Wednesday, January 19 2005 08:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, April 8 2005 05:11 Profile Homepage #35 quote: Originally written by Levitating Netherlander: This debate over the alleged sexual habits of a fictional character is growing decreasingly hilarious and increasingly unsettling. I think it's interesting because it raises an issue that I almost want to make a topic about on General: how does the way that one dresses affect what we think about that person? And, as a related point, what do we think of girls who wear revealing clothing? [ Friday, April 08, 2005 05:14: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Drew By Committee Member # 4233	written Friday, April 8 2005 06:29 Profile #36 The clothes we choose to wear are like words - they are tools. They serve a functional purpose, and mean different things to different people. Whether women want it or not, revealing clothing does tend to send a message. While it certainly doesn't justify inappropriate behavior ("Did you see the way she was dressed? She was asking for it..."), to claim ignorance over the message such clothes send is disingenuous, like when women claim that they wear tight fitting clothing because it makes them feel good or sexy, but balk when it's suggested they do so for men. Posts: 2242 \| Registered: Saturday, April 10 2004 07:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, April 8 2005 10:22 Profile Homepage #37 I mostly agree with that, with one proviso: women who wear revealing clothing often do it for the sake of the reactions that they get -- but not necessarily that they want to sleep with someone. Some just like the attention or the ability to make men want them. It gives power. Not that this is how it should be, but that this is how it is, and Phaedra was dressed mostly as a reflection of that. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Drew By Committee Member # 4233	written Friday, April 8 2005 10:35 Profile #38 quote: Originally written by Kelandon: I mostly agree with that, with one proviso: women who wear revealing clothing often do it for the sake of the reactions that they get -- but not necessarily that they want to sleep with someone. Some just like the attention or the ability to make men want them. It gives power. I agree completely. I guess what I was trying to point out in my backwards way is that women are not innocent players in their objectification. [ Friday, April 08, 2005 10:35: Message edited by: andrew miller ] Posts: 2242 \| Registered: Saturday, April 10 2004 07:00
demonslay3r Guardian Member # 2238	written Friday, April 8 2005 11:31 Profile Homepage #39 Agreed furtherly. And I personally enjoy women who where suggestive/revealing things. Particularly those women that I'm already in an emotional relationship with. In other words, if my girlfriend wants to show her stuff off to me, then go right ahead. Is it not our point in life? To reproduce? Look at nature as well, you'll see the female with the goods gets the male. And think about it: wouldn't a woman who looks good and kicks ass make an impression on you? [ Friday, April 08, 2005 11:34: Message edited by: Demonslayer from Hell ] -------------------- DEMON PLAY, DEMON OUT! Posts: 1582 \| Registered: Wednesday, November 13 2002 08:00
aliklik Warrior Member # 5362	written Saturday, April 9 2005 20:19 Profile #40 quote: Originally written by Kelandon: Alec has a point. TM didn't, but Alec does. A little of the subject here but, who's Alec? Posts: 59 \| Registered: Wednesday, January 5 2005 08:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Saturday, April 9 2005 20:20 Profile Homepage #41 That Custer person. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Morgan Shaper Member # 22	written Sunday, April 10 2005 02:53 Profile #42 This topic is so achingly hilarious it hurts. Feminism is in a sorry state of affairs when TM has become its poster boy. [ Sunday, April 10, 2005 02:55: Message edited by: Morgan ] Posts: 2862 \| Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
spy-there Agent Member # 1993	written Sunday, April 10 2005 06:14 Profile #43 I remember that I was penetrated once with spiteful glances: coming to a feminist meeting in high heels and sluttish clothing :P But it was many, many years ago. Since punk, Madonna and Lara Croft, the ironic use of sex-wear should be commonly known. If someone doesn't live on the very upright, serious, cheerless island of political correctness ^_^ -------------------- Slartucker: * facepalm facepalm facepalm * Dikiyoba: Are you unconscious yet? Posts: 1420 \| Registered: Wednesday, October 2 2002 07:00
Dolphin Shaper Member # 5437	written Sunday, April 10 2005 07:15 Profile #44 quote: Originally written by Kelandon: I mostly agree with that, with one proviso: women who wear revealing clothing often do it for the sake of the reactions that they get -- but not necessarily that they want to sleep with someone. Some just like the attention or the ability to make men want them. It gives power. I agree with this completely. When I was a bit younger my friend and I would go out just to see how smiles and comments we could get. It was pretty fun, but there was never a desire to go home with someone. The only second glance I had about Phaedra was that she would likely be cold going everywhere like that. [ Sunday, April 10, 2005 07:25: Message edited by: Dolphin ] Posts: 2032 \| Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Sunday, April 10 2005 07:40 Profile Homepage #45 Fortunately, most of the caves are fairly warm. :) -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 10 2005 08:10 Profile Homepage #46 AM- You seem to be arguing for the organic nature of the free market. If everyone around you has orders from the top to make your emotional state tied directly to your physique, are you somehow an "active player" for giving in to that? (There's also the point that your denying engenderment absolutely screams that there isn't a Grand Metanarrative, but that's more tangential.) ...nevermind. EDIT: Let me put it this way. If you buy your daughter kinky bondage toys and explicit directions to use them, don't be surprised when she starts using them. [ Sunday, April 10, 2005 08:17: Message edited by: Le Martyre de la Terreur ] -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Sunday, April 10 2005 09:13 Profile Homepage #47 quote: Originally written by Le Martyre de la Terreur: If everyone around you has orders from the top to make your emotional state tied directly to your physique, are you somehow an "active player" for giving in to that? Here's where I take issue with your point of view: I don't think there are "orders" (whatever that may refer to) from "the top" (whatever that is) that go to everyone to make their emotional states tied directly to their appearances. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 10 2005 09:43 Profile Homepage #48 Nevermind. This is what I get for trying to fight golden shower boy for the spigot. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Sunday, April 10 2005 09:52 Profile Homepage #49 What, you can't handle that someone disagrees with you? -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00