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And why not? Seems like a great non-spammy way to up the post count to me.

*Reflects and is quite sure she has not started any topics in General with either of her accounts.*

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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Spring cleaning the forums for the New Year. in General
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tAran - what do you need to put the archive online? If it's just space I can spare 100MB easy.

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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I'm a mut. Mostly German, but more accurately a mut. Some Norwegian, some Scandanavian, some Polish, and a bit Native American, being a direct decendant of Pochahontas's father somewhere, somehow, or so I'm told. Someone in the family way back when had made out our family tree, supposedly making it all the way to him but someone else in the family way back when didn't like the idea of 'bein' related to no indian' so he killed him and burned all the documentation of it. We've never been able to build the link back up, but most my relations believe it's there.

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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36x36, my graphics editor in General
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I did the left click save as. It saved an html page of freeweb saying 'page not found' on my computer.

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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Freewebs says 'Page not found.'

[ Wednesday, January 04, 2006 05:55: Message edited by: Jewels ]

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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A Brave New Year in General
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quote:
Originally written by Happa Tai Yattai:

Wheeeee! We set the grass on fire with our fireworks, but no one noticed.

Happy New Year everybody! Except for you Gizmo. I'll drink as much as I want to.

Drinking 'too much' would be an amount in which in your inebriated state you did something you regret once you're sober. In other words 'Hope nobody did anything stupid while drunk' not 'Hope nobody drinks'.

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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Its Almost Christmas in General
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You cannot control how others celebrate Christmas, but you can control how you celebrate it. So ignore the ads, and turn your heart towards generosity, peace, and loving kindness. Celebrate the holiday, not how the world has learned to profit from the holiday. If everyone becomes a grinch because they hate what Christmas has become, it will never be any better.

On last count, 20 people will be present on Christmas day. Both my sisters and their husbands, my older sister's four kids. My Brother in law's parents, my parents, hubby's dad, his wife, and her daughter. And our new Canadian worship pastor will be stopping by to share in the chaos since he's not leaving for home till the day after Christmas.

Christmas Eve we'll be having a get together with hubby's three aunts and grandpa who would rather have only half the chaos for their holiday.

Yes, I very much look forward to the celebration.

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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Slightly Belated Celebratory Topic in General
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A hearty handshake for the next milestone breaker. Congratulations and Huzzah!

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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Bow Before Me as if I Were Your God in General
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*smothers TM in love for his wonderous accomplishment*

One topless picture as requested.

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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Numbers in General
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I'm living life, silly. Catching up on some 'spring' cleaning, preparing for the biggest family gathering we have all year. 23 people gonna be at our house on Christmas morning and I still have two walls with red marker artwork to grind off with my elbow grease. Today I worked on my memory album with my mom for six hours and went to Bethany's Christmas program. Presents to wrap, laundry to wash, cards to send out. And with all the extra exercise I need a little more sleep too. More like I haven't been hiding behind my computer as much.

Plus I've been working on a little Christmas present for the community. I've never been a very fast reader or writer, though. In fact formulating a reply to a simple request such as 'Hey where you been?' can take me... 39 minutes and counting. I decided I had to cut back.

Thanks for the shout out though, nice to know I've been missed.

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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Numbers in General
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A belated, yet heartily deserved congratulations to Alorael. May the hair on your toes never fall off!

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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God Stuff (Antichrist! You better spell it right! ) in General
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It's so hard to communicate properly without tone of voice... :(

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Originally written by Synergy67:

Gizmo, thanks for taking some more time to respond. I am disappointed that you continue to not engage the actual nuts and bolts of the many points upon which we see differently...
I guess in a way, I'm doing it on purpose. Not that I'm trying to ignore you, but because my argument is the same old argument that Christians have been arguing for ages on end. Plus getting wholly into even one point would take me an entire afternoon and the real point of my last post was in part to say you have overturned everything. There is too much to think about, too much to look up, too much to respond to, so I take the easy way out, skirt all your questions and just ask you a new one. Anything I'd have to say to defend my positions has been heard already by you and most on this board many times over, but what you have to say is new, fresh, and much more interesting then hashing out my stuff again. So forgive me for not answering all your questions. If you're really interested there's a long thread over at desperance where I have already gone through much of what you're asking to know. (I be Mynt there, and beware the language of others)

What I was trying to say with my last post is that even though we disagree on almost everything, none of those things really matter one way or the other. If I find myself in the afterlife and you were right in everything, it doesn't affect my salvation, if I was right in everything, it doesn't affect your salvation. The only thing that matters is surrender to God and Jesus, which was the reason for my last question. (Thank you for answering it so breifly, though you could have skipped the first half of my post. :P )

That said, I'll try to answer some of the direct questons in your post...

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Whose “correct” thinking is that? In whom have you placed your trust to know “correctness”? The traditions of your church and the men who have formed it over centuries, carrying medieval and ancient world pagan ideas and interpretations with them? And if the Holy Spirit speaks above and beyond the traditions of your men, what then? What if someone anointed by the Father comes along and accuses such men of being whited sepulchres, full of dead mens’ bones?
Truly it is my church's deffinition of 'correct'. Though we put our trust in God, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit to convey to us what is correct. With our trust in the Spirit, I would think that someone else would have gotten such a revelation as yours if it be correct. Why would the Spirit reveal the truth only to you while allowing countless numbers of followers just as faithful to believe in lies? And what of the countless sermons, Spirit inspired, preached by godly men (not to be mistaken for 'religous' men) that uphold what you propose to tear down? Are they all wrong? Would the Spirit lead them all to be liars? Would the Spirit encourage them to lead all their flocks astray? You keep saying that Christianity today has it completely wrong, yet it is faith in God, the Bible, and the workings of the Holy Spirit which have brought us to this point. We do not just follow the traditions because they are there, (though some Christians do)instead we look at the traditions, compare them to the scriptures, and pray that the Spirit will guide us in correct thinking. If we (we=my denomination) are wrong, then it is the Holy Spirit who has brought us here and he must have a reason for us to be where we are in our thinking.

A scripture just poped into my head... "For I have become all things, to all people, that I might win some for Christ." Perhaps the reason there are so many denominations and so many different intrepretations of the Bible, is because God is trying to reach all people through all means.

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Again I challenge you, what do you base your absolute faith in 66 disparate, gathered writings and their translations upon?
My absolute faith is in God who does not lie. These 66 books are His representation. I make no claim that they are complete or that they are translated entirely accurately, but I do trust that God would make sure that everything we need to know would stay entact. I have no proof, but I do have the Spirit who has never led me to doubt that the Bible is anything less then I already believe.

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So “sin” is in flesh and blood and not the heart and attitude?
Of course not. No puttie words in my mouth. You already know I agree with you that it is motive that matters. There is no sin in perfect love, remember?

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Why did Jesus say to feel anger toward your brother in your heart is that same sin as to murder him?
Another question you know the answer to. (and know that my answer is the same as yours) So why ask it? The implications are less then positive.

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What about the blood Jesus’ foetus received from the placenta of Mary, who was born into sin? Wouldn’t that have contaminated Jesus with sin? Please answer these basic questions. I want to hear your explanations besides, “it’s the faith of my denomination—it must be correct”.
It is not about the mixing of blood, it is the origination of Jesus. He was sent by God, not created by man. It was a miracle birth, not an illegitament one. In the OT, those of illetigament birth and their decendents were not allowed into the 'assembly of the Lord'. Not that it was their fault, but because God is holy and must be respected as so. Nothing and noone that was tainted in any way could enter the presence of the Lord. Jesus would not have been the Lamb without blemishes he needed to be if he were born in the way you suggest. It's not a point worth the time it takes to discuss though so don't feel the need to address it.

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Again I ask, what of those in China or the isles of the Pacific, or the Americans north and south in all those years B.C., while Israel and no other had the Law and its rituals? Did they all go to hell for never having being offered the ways of Israel under the law, never mind a future gospel and a “choice for Jesus”?
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This is answered very thuroughly in the thread at desp. but I will summerize. Jesus is the judge, he will decide the fate of all men. Those who have never heard the gospel will be judged just as those who have and everyone's heart motive will be most important. Anyone who hears the message and rejects it will also be rejected, they have condemned themselves.

I am curious. How do you intrepret Luke 16:19-31? I would also like to know what Riibu thinks of this passage. Another parable of Jesus, but one about hell. One that describes a 'place of torment' where the rich man goes after he dies being quite conscious of his agony. If it is not to be taken literally as a description of a real place, then what does it mean?

Back to life I go...

[ Monday, November 07, 2005 11:11: Message edited by: Jewels ]

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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God Stuff (Antichrist! You better spell it right! ) in General
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t Synergy - It is scary to think outside the box. There are some very basic, very fundamental things that my church/denomination teaches must be present for correct thinking. You have thrown out almost all of them.

The Bible is the inspired word of God to be wholy trusted as complete truth. (Or as complete as translation to English allows)

The Trinity, there is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Everything else is a creation of God, but not God.

The Sinful Nature, since the first sin of Adam and Eve, we are all born with the tendancy to sin and pull away from God. No one is without sin.

The Virgin Birth, showing that Jesus truly did come from God and that he was born without the 'sinful nature' and ultimately completely without sin in his own life.

Hell, there is punishment for complete rebellion. Those who are offered a personal relationship with Jesus but reject him will also be rejected by him on judgement day.

All of these things are very important to me and to my 'religion'. The latter four all because of the first. Actually by my church's teaching, your views are like that of a cult. All you lack is the leader of an organized group who wishes you to fund his ministry. Your words are as sweet as honey, painting the most beautiful pictures of life and death and God. But words are also very dangerous. Using sweet words was the very first way that Satan tricked mankind. "Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?... You will not surely die... when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God..."(Genesis 3:1-4)

I have every reason to fear you and your words. 'The Antichrist' is truly never named as such in Revelation (just another name we have attached to our supposed biggest foe), but the verses that do mention the antichrist tell us to beware of all false prophets. (Not that you consider yourself a prophet ;) )

If though, I put all on the wayside and ask myself what belief will really matter in the end, it's not any of the things I have listed. In the end, I know, it will be my belief in Jesus that will matter. But more then just belief, for even the demons believe and tremble, but my acceptance of Him as my personal Lord and Savior.

So my last question for you is, do you consider Jesus as just a brother to be admired for being the first(and as far as I can tell only) one to achieve perfect love? Or is he your personal savior?

Feel free to run around as much fluff as you like, but in the end I would like a clear cut answer: brother/savior/both.

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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Just curious; are people still interested in new BOE style graphics? in Blades of Exile
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Xen- I've been working on making your graphics more game friendly. (ie the right size/format) Would you mind making an attacking graphic for the gurad troll? And maybe an attacking stance for the soldier with the blue shield, left facing. At the moment I just have the exsisting attacking stance fliped but it looks a little funny with only one blue shield in all the stances.

When I'm all done I'll post them for you.

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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I'm glad to hear it Riibu. Some of my denomination really paint JW's as a 'bad' religion. The only qualm I still keep with your denomination is that you have your 'own' Bible. Why are the exsisting versions not good enough? I have not read any of it to compare how it differs from other translaitons, but I really fear for what of Scripture is getting tweaked just enough not to mean the same thing. I feel this way about most all translations and even have a few reservations for my 'trusty' NIV. Perhaps it's time I learned Greek?

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Originally written by Thuryl:

Shut up, I find it quite funny.
FYT :P

[ Thursday, November 03, 2005 07:38: Message edited by: Jewels ]

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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Question for Riibu:

I really don't want to offend or attack you, I am just curious. I've been told that 90% of JW's don't know their own history. So I'd like to ask you if you know how many times JW's founding fathers have predicted the end of the world to a specific year and been wrong (or misunderstood as they always claimed)?

Secondly do you know how many of JW's founding fathers claimed to be avid in Greek and other languages then prooved to be liars in court when they could not do any translation in front of the judge?

I cringe to see someone blindly following a herd, but if you do know and have decided that it doesn't matter then my hat's off to you. Please expand on what you think about it.

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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re-Synergy's list of scripture and theme.

Obviously your theme is that all people will be brought to Christ/God/Heaven eventually (even if they already died in their sin and rebellion?)

It cannot be true, though, if the whole Bible is to be believed. (I know you think it isn't) For every verse you have quoted (mis-quoted perhaps) there is another saying that not everyone will get into heaven. What you have left out is that there is one more element to our becoming saved. We must accept Jesus. The gift is freely given to all but He doesn't make anyone accept it.

The verse you quoted, John 17:2 says "You gave the Son power over all people so that the Son could give eternal life to all those you gave him."(NCV)
"For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him."(NIV)
"As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him."(KJV)

None of these say "will" as you have said. I would like a Greek translation from Kel if possible. There is a big difference between saying one will do something and saying one might/could/should do something. I would say that he might/could/should grant eternal live to all who accept him.

Then just one (since my time grows short) of the many verses that say not all will be with God in the end.

Matthew 7:21-23 (the words of Jesus)

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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Go ahead and send it. We can continue privately. I enjoy hearing new perspectives and ideas even if I end up disagreeing with most. ;)

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"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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demo help in Blades of Exile
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I'm not sure about magic map, but to find the pretty stone you need to search/look at the walls of garbage in the gnat nest.

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"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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Don't roll your eyes at me. :P I do have a family to take care of, and a business to run, and bills to pay, ect.

I've taken it all in and instead of going point by point(since I'd have to re-read everything you wrote), I'm going to go by what I generally understood you to say. Please correct me if I've misunderstood or misquoted you.

Point one: God

The God of today is the same as the God of the Old Testament. He did not change just because He sent Jesus into the world. The God of love you know today is the same God who decided so long ago to drown all living creatures save the fish of the sea, Noah and family, and a pair of every animal he led to the ark. He is the same God who punished Isreal time and time again for their disobedience, often by immediate death. He is the same God who destroyed Sodam and Gamorah when they refused to repent and spared Ninevah when they sought forgivness when shown the error of their ways. God is not all love, he is also wrath and much of what Moses had to say included the phrase 'fear the Lord'. This man sat side by side with God and said we should fear him. And in Deuteronomy 4:10, it is God himself who wishes his people to fear him. God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. A little fear is a healty thing, especially when it creates courage, and not something to be rejected.

PS. I don't see God as a loser (neither does anyone in my church, or actually any christians I can think of), but rather as a holy, awesome, infallible, all-powerful, all-knowing, everpresent being who has full right to giveth and taketh away as he sees fit. To you this may seem like a loser view, but in my heart he is Abba Father, almighty king.

Point two: The Word of God.

I'm sure you can already guess that I believe that the Bible is completely God inspired, that is, God put the words into the minds of all the various authors who together wrote the book. I believe that none of it is lies though I know that many people of many ages have misintrepreted portions of it. (Myself not excluded)

It frustrates me, how often you have referred to scripture or grabbed a phrase from scripture without including a reference, making it extremely difficult for anyone reading to look up the scripture for context or 'author's intent'. I believe the first time you did so was in reply to Desert Pl@h about us all being 'gods'. (Which, btw, was taken out of context. More on that later.)

In general I understand your view of scripture as a good guide written by fallible men that no one really understands yet because we haven't reached that 'age' yet.

If I believe any of the Bible to be a lie, then there's no reason for any of it to be true. If I cannot count on the diciples of Jesus to cling to the truth in everything, then I can't depend on them to retell the truth in anything. If Matthew and Luke both started their books with lies about Jesus's birth, then what's to stop them from lying about his life and death? He might as well be a fictional character.

Point three: The Son of God

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More importantly, on the Virgin Issue, I’d like someone to address my simple, logical query why flesh and blood signifies ANYTHING of usefulness to us where our spiritual condition is concerned, and based on the new paradigm of inner spirituality Jesus came to reveal? Why would it make any difference at all whether Jesus was born of man and woman? And if he was not, where is our hope to aspire to be a perfect reflection of him? If he was not one of us, then he had advantages we cannot hope to have and our invitation to do so is pathetically insulting. Was Jesus a magically-enabled superman/God alien to us in all but appearance as flesh, or truly our elder brother sharing in our humanity, first born Son of many.
It matters because by your view we are all like Jesus, and we can all achieve what Jesus achieved. If we only work hard enough at it, we can all be perfect. By my view no one can be perfect. "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."(Romans 3:23) But Jesus was sinless and blameless for his entire life.(Hebrews 4:15) The lamb without blemish who allowed himself to be sacrificed for us, that we may be redeemed only through him. We cannot gain eternal life without him, not just by doing as he did(because that would be of ourselves), but by accepting him as our personal saviour and giving full reign of our life to him.

John 3:16 (The words of Jesus, I'm sure you've heard it before) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

This phrase is repeated in verse 18 "God's one and only Son." The rest of us can also become sons and daughters of God but only through adoption, not through blood. We will still share in the inherritance but we will never be on an equal level as Jesus. You are right to say that Jesus never sought to deify himself, yet his disciples did. The people closest to him, who knew him personally, often refer to him as Lord, and when refered to as Lord during his life he didn't correct. Why should I not do the same as his first followers?

The verses you quoted about being gods does not even extend to the common people since the Psalm is about the unjust kings and judges of the day. It was not uncommon practice in their culture for a king or judge to demand to be referred to as a god or son of God. 'I said 'You are "gods"', means that those who rule are appointed by God, thus they are his representatives - whether they acknowledge him or not. In the very next verse it is revealed how far they are from being 'gods'. They will die, fall from their throne, and be judged the same as other men by the one true God. (Psalm 82:7-8)

I could write more but life calls. Another time then.

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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God Stuff (Antichrist! You better spell it right! ) in General
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I'm not ignoring you, really. It's just turned into a busy week. Hopefully tomorrow night I'll have a couple hours to sit down and write my thoughts.

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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need custom graphics in Blades of Exile
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I'll send you everything I have in my personal archive.

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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Creative Writing in General
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I wrote this in grade school. It's cheezy but hey, I was a kid.

Real is cloth.
Fake is plastic.
Both are life
Until the casket.

Too much corrupts.
Too little starves,
And want for leads
To prison bars.

The thing you most
Often argue about,
And subject of many
Philospher's spout.

It's color matches
A person's eyes
When what's in pocket
Can't match the price.

Every problem it
Seems to solve
When will we learn?
When will we evolve?

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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God Stuff (Antichrist! You better spell it right! ) in General
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Go ahead and cut in, I can't even finish reading it tonight since I have housekeeping, heigyne, and a kid with a sore eye to take care of before I can sleep.

I hope you can wait Synergy. ;)

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
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Creative Writing in General
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I ran through quite a few impressions on that one. Very dark, but containing light. Sad yet not without hope.

I liked it. :)

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"Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05

"Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley
Posts: 1001 | Registered: Tuesday, August 19 2003 07:00

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