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An RP in the World of Avernum *Reloaded* in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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OOC:
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It's bad roleplaying form to say that something one group captures isn't what they think it is. You're encouraged to go with the flow.
This is true, but this only works if each player respects the basic premises of the other player's stories, when he makes events happen. The flow is a lot easier to go with then. It's not really appropriate to take somebody else's faction in a completely different direction from where it was not already headed in.

IC:
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Once a goblin came upon a human alone in the forest. Instead of killing the human, he followed it until it led him back to a city. Then he came back with his friends and killed all the humans, killed them good!

The moral of the story: take the useful knowledge out of a human head BEFORE you chop it off!

-- The Great Authoritative Extra Great Guide to Killing, Slaying, Butchering, and Otherwise Disemboweling Humans
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"Report! I am calling a reporting reportage, all mages, it's reporting reportage time!"

Glogroth's speech the week before hadn't gone great, and he was trying to distract himself by burying himself in reconaissance. The goblins were no longer confused by his decision to divide them into many different forces, but it was a change for them. They had all lived together for so long. It was a shock for them to be split up. They weren't too happy about it.

This was mostly offset by their glee at the approaching chance to kill lots of humans, though.

So Glogroth was in Goagh-Nar now. Goagh-Nar was the center of the Goblin Goblin scrying operation.

Now scrying was never something their mages had been very good at. It was hard enough for goblins, even smart ones, to curse things or to make them burn; clairvoyance had seemed out of the question. But Glogroth's predecessor, Groovilla, had wisely forced the mages to put all their effort into finding spells that spied on spells. It took a long time, well into Glogroth's own Great Goblinhood, but now he was reaping the benefits. They weren't good at coming up with their own magic, but now they could just watch what the stupid human mages did and copy them.

And that was also the secret behind their scrying. They never succeeded in copying scrying spells, but they could watch the spells, as long as they weren't too far away. So they just scried on scrying spells. Such work proceeded at a lurching and unpredictable pace, and the information they got was confusing and had to be interpreted, and even then it was sometimes contradictory.

But, as Glogroth liked to observe, the world was a contradictory place.

"Scrying Goblins Number the First reporting, Great Goblin! We found a mage looking at Nephilim. They were hiding, now they are not hiding. They are attacking humans, they are killing the humans that we are to kill, killing them!" Glogroth nodded. They had found Nephilim before. He wasn't sure what would come of that. They might fight together to kill the humans, but he wanted to let his goblins kill all the humans themselves. They really deserved that honor. At least some of the humans dealt with Nephils as equals.

"Scrying Goblins Number the Secondary reporting, Great Goblin! We also found a mage looking at Nephilim, but they were different Nephilim. They were not killing things, no they were not."

"Scrying Goblins Number the Thirdness reporting, Great Goblin! We found even more Nephilim, and we have cross-referenced like cross-referencers, but we think they are different too."

Glogroth burped. "What about HUMANS, you fools? Did anyone find mages looking at humans?"

"Scrying Goblins Number the Four reporting, Great Goblin! We found humans. We think they are confused. They are trying to pretend the Empire still exists, when it is superbly in the non-existance! We also found other humans. They were in a big city and were sending an army out." Glogroth knew from maps and from previous scrying that their were only a few really big cities nearby. Still, this was nothing to be concerned with.

"Scrying Goblins Number the Fifth reporting, Great Goblin! We found a mage who was looking at Gilgamegob!" Glogroth sighed. Gilgamegob was one of his lieutenants. He was leading the goblin army who had gone east, towards the swamps. This was good news, because it meant they could track Gilgamegob's progress. It was also bad news, because it meant humans were watching him. He had hoped they could stay in the shadows for a little while longer.

"Send riders to alert Gilgamegob! And give them some glug for his troops, glug for them!"

The reports continued for a while longer, but the rest weren't as interesting. There were a lot of mages scrying on each other. Glogroth suspected that the humans were getting ready to kill each other again. They were such fools. However, his mages hadn't found anyone scrying on the other goblin armies. Glooramza's army, to the north, and Gloodelita's army, in the northeast mountains, were undetected, as were Dorga's western army and Kappa's southern army. At least, they were undetected for now.

Glogroth burped again. He was exhausted. Working in Goagh-Nar was always draining. He dismissed his mages and headed over to the Big Holy Hole to chat with the Gobby Gods.

[ Friday, March 24, 2006 16:13: Message edited by: Slartucker ]

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OOC:

Wonko: The Enlightened Anama expel mages from their lands. Are you really suggesting that the Looters, who are obsessed with magical artifacts, don't have any mages in their ranks?

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*facepalm*

[ Friday, March 24, 2006 12:57: Message edited by: Slartucker ]

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I told you people the cat needed to die. Now look what's happened. :P

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OOC:

1. What's with all these "official" alliances in OOC conversation? That makes no sense. We are obviously free to scheme and plot among ourselves, via PM and such, but if an alliance is public and "official" it really ought to be IC. It makes no sense, for example, for Tyranicus to offer alliance to Serith when they have had no contact and one doesn't even know the other exists! I'll second what TM said, as well.

2. As for the "Motivation" column: what I put here is approximate. Obviously, every faction is interested in more than one thing. "Power" alone is something desired by pretty much everyone. A lot of people want "revenge." My choice of keywords was relative; it was based on differentiating the factions.

Also, "motivation" and "means" are NOT the same thing.

I will be updating the chart based on what I see in the RP... if something is not what you think it should be, then you should do a better job of characterizing that aspect of your faction! Whining will not get you anywhere with me.

3. "Location" refers to home territory, not the present location of an unspecified proportion of the forces.

4. If anyone else joins, Aizo and Vantanas (and Upper Exile, and the Lower Caves) have lots of space just waiting for factions! Also, variety is good.

5. As for the maps: it seems like an awful lot of work to update those, particularly since exact boundaries will probably be changing on a daily basis. We have a number of expansionist-minded groups, and others whose exact territory is ephemeral (like the Guild). I would recommend against putting much time into them, personally.

Edit: 6. Dintiradan: Sure, I don't see why not. I haven't mentioned it yet, but the book in question was written by Glogroth von Oobula (surprise, surprise).

[ Friday, March 24, 2006 12:16: Message edited by: Slartucker ]

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You know, maybe I will end up being a couples therapist, after all...

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That is apparently the classification that is used here, or at least in Dikiyoba's script. So that was what I meant with the quote. I don't really like using the terminology that way myself. Newbie is and has always been a mostly derogatory term.

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basically Marlenny, you are a beautiful Medusa :)

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If spiderweb was water, then we wouldn't have many flames, would we... I don't think that works.

The Sodium-Potassium balance is just so fitting for them.

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If Kel is Sodium, then I vote Thralni is Potassium. Which actually kind of works anyway.

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You're carbon. We've burnt you to a crisp. Just hush and accept it.

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You once posed the question: "How do you know Dikiyoba is not Dikiyoba's real name?" Well, that's how.

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OOC:
Well, some of the player-controlled factions are pretty tiny, too. I didn't mean to propose those "--" factions for new players necessarily, but just to make it easier to keep track of all the forces we've seen.

IC:
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Humans, ever dedicated to their own deaths, have a saying: Divide and conquer. It's a great way to take them down. Humans are less dangerous when they don't have each other to reinforce them.

But what do you get when you split a big, chaotic, disorganized group of goblins in two?

Two big, chaotic, disorganized groups of goblins... each one just as capable of killing humans as the original group was!

-- The Great Authoritative Extra Great Guide to Killing, Slaying, Butchering, and Otherwise Disemboweling Humans
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"It's been a super tough 20 years! Super tough for us!"

Glogroth's voice bounced and squeaked over the endless sea of goblins that filled the pits before him, all fidgeting restlessly.

"It's been tough... I have asked very really a lot of you! So very really a lot! I've asked you to make lots of little goblins... all the time, piles and piles of little goblins... it's a real chore, huh guys?"

The crowd erupted in raucous laughter. Glogroth heard a great belch of a guffaw come from below him. He looked down and smiled and the maiden who had uttered it.

"Well this year... this year, gobbies... the tough times are at an end! It's time for us to strike. The HUMANS, you see..." He paused for dramatic effect. "The HUMANS..." The big cave was filled with an enormous booing, punctuating by a few loud farts.

"The humans have lost their Empire! They are confused... they don't have guards to protect them any more. There is fighting everywhere. They are weak. So we are gonna take advantage of their crappy little weakness, yeah!" Sustained cheering. "And to do that... we are gonna hit them everywhere we can... we are gonna scatter!"

The cheering stopped. Now the crowd was confused... half the goblins started to scratch their head at the same time. Because of how closely they were packed, the other half of the goblins all got elbowed in the head. A good-natured brawl broke out.

Glogroth shrugged and picked some crumbling fungus off the cave wall for ammunition. He could finish his speech later...

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I own a tin foil suit, and I'm aluminum... it's extremely reflective, flashy and found in tacky products everywhere. It insulates itself from the external world using a layer of oxygen. And it tends to cause pointless linguistic flamewars.

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OOC:
For my own sanity, I've put together a nice chart of all the factions created so far, arranged by geography. I've included the more identifiable third-party factions mentioned (the city-states, the Vahnatai, etc). I will be updating the chart as time goes on. It also has links to the maps. You can find it here:

http://home.uchicago.edu/~tbennett/rp.html

Conveniently, everyone seems to be near several other factions. Serith is kinda far, but Exile is small. Ephesos is the only one who's really isolated... careful, Ephesos, or you'll be doing an RP with your fist!

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Hmm.
Do I smell a Periodic Table of the Spidwebbers?

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quote:
Originally written by Ephesos:

quote:
Originally written by I want back my name:

Can't we find a mighty priest who knows the spell Return Life? Perhaps ef?
Technically, I think my character should be able to do this, but it simply too busy keeping everyone else from dying.

Maybe you're just out of Resurrection Balm and you don't have any Ember Flowers. More to the point... "keeping everyone else from dying?" To quote myself,

"A little! It's more than that! Here we are, getting killed in a senseless war! There used to be hundreds of newbs and now there are less than a dozen."

I think the real question is why Ephesos doesn't have access to mass healing spells. We could have holed up in the Exile Trilogy Forum, and just had Ephesos cast Light Heal All every turn, with Diki dumping an energy potion down his throat when needed, and held out almost indefinitely.

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That's a good scene. It has the right balance of plot and camp. I especially enjoyed Vlish's attack.

Edit: No one even noticed? Why do you think Kel got violent all of a sudden?

[ Wednesday, March 22, 2006 19:21: Message edited by: Slartucker ]

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INTRODUCTION

For years they have hunted us. They have destroyed our families, stolen our precious treasures, and cast us into shadows and caves below. They have driven us out of the sunlight. They have had so much power; and we have been shackled down by our stupidity.

But the tides are turning. We have improved ourselves, while they wallow in their success... their minds degrade, and their discipline erodes. Someday soon, the day will come when we make them share our pain.

-- The Great Authoritative Extra Great Guide to Killing, Slaying, Butchering, and Otherwise Disemboweling Humans
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"It's going to be a great year, huh?"

Glogroth von Oobula's voice echoed up the Big Holy Hole.

"Yeah, it's going to be a great year!" he added, for good measure.

Glogroth had made a lot of changes during his reign. He instituted mandatory education in language-speaking and human-killing. He put the mages in charge of the military. He added three glugfestivals to the calendar. But getting rid of the demon-worship and installing proper Gobby Gods was the one he was most passionate about.

The goblins had enslaved themselves to demons in much the same way as they had allowed humans to control their destiny. Instead of forcing them to bow down, the Gobby Gods enjoyed talking to the goblins as equals. They talked to him through the Big Holy Hole, and he told the rest of the goblins what they said.

"They say they think it's time to kill many piles of humans in very cold blood!"

Cheers erupted from the crowd.

It was going to be a good year.

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Faction Name: The Goblin Goblins (GG)
Leader Name: Great Goblin Glogroth von Oobula
Location: Somewhere in the Pralgadian section of the Ndovlu mountains
Type of Government:Benevolent dictatorship
Religion:Gobby Gods (reformed)
Description:
The Empire exterminated goblins; that's the theory, of course, but everybody knows that goblins don't just die. Well, some of them die, but the others have lots of goblin babies. They hide in caves and in cracks, and after a while, a goblin infestation is back.

Somewhere along the line, while the Empire was nearing the peak of its power, some of the goblins got smart. They don't know how this happened (probably because they were still stupid while it happened). If this were Avernum 5, then it would clearly be another attempt at retribution by the Vahnatai, but thankfully, it's not.

So these goblins got smart -- or at least, less stupid. They also learned how to use magic. Not great magic, but hey, magic is magic. Eventually, a leader appeared who harnessed millenia of built up resentment against humans. When their mages found out that the Empire was collapsing, of course it was a signal for them to butcher the vile humans.

Despite their lessened stupidity and decreased incapacity for magery, their primary strength remains their ability to procreate all the time... the Goblin Goblins seldom lack reinforcements.

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"Grammer" beats "grama" in my book :P
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"Ego sum rex Romanus et supra grammaticam." — Sigismund I
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"You can take that universal quantifier and shove it!"
"But I only have one place to shove it..."
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quote:
Originally written by the fatman:

In a study by Donlad Brenneis and Ronald K S Macaulay on the use of various phonetic combinations over a period of ten years the rate of change was found to be between (much less than) 0.01% to 0.18%, per year.

Your patently false comment is, patently ridiculous.

Could you please cite the specify study? Listing a study without providing a reference is patently unscholarly ;)

Zeviz already pointed out the problem with assuming that a study focusing on ten years and certain environmental conditions scales accurately to 1000 years of widely varying conditions.

Another problem, however, is that change in "the use of various phonetic combinations" -- a pretty vague phrase to begin with -- is not the same thing as language change. In fact... it's not even remotely the same thing!

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quote:
Originally written by the fatman:

Actually, 5% is probably pretty close to the truth, and its not futile to establish this value. Asimple comparison between generations of text would generate validity to the rate of change.
No, it wouldn't. This is absurd, it is patently false. Please show me the "simple comparison" between two texts separated by 1000 years in which 95% of the language, however you want to count it, is the same.

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You should note that the core of a language remains relatively constant while it is the fringes and emerging uses that change.
It's true that some types of changes are more likely to occur than others. Minor sound changes can happen relatively quickly, whereas no agglutinative language is going to become analytical overnight. However, talking about this in terms of the "core" and "fringes" of a language makes no sense whatsoever. Those terms are pretty meaningless unless you are only referring to the lexicon and not to grammar -- and in that case, the assertion is just plain wrong.

If you want us to hear your arguments, then please, make arguments, not just wild assertions :)

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quote:
Originally written by the fatman:

In fact, about 5% of the English language will change every 1000 years (definition/spelling/new term).
The spirit of your statement is right on -- language changes -- but its letter is way off. It's pretty futile to try and assign a specify quantity to that kind of characterization in the first place, but if you're going to, 5% is way too small. Look at any language that has been around for a thousand years, and that should be plain.

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